dwayne1111
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Post by dwayne1111 on Oct 25, 2015 14:09:18 GMT -5
How can you be so sure? My inner voice tells me something else, maybe a surprise:) I can't be sure of course, but from the spoilers and bts stuff we do have I don't think VinCat having a baby is on the menu unfortunately. That storyline would have to be a season long arc in my opinion...but this is just my opinion. Anything can happen. I hope so  I hope with you, but a season long arc about a baby would be boring, don't you think. The last few minutes of 4/13, Cat pregnant, in the hoapital after the birth, or a little child cries mum and dad and the camera turns to a close up scene and we see Vincat. Of cause that's just me , and than an open ending with the beautiful fairytale last sentence, and they lived................ But , that' s my idea, no offence, maybe we get a little of both. That would be nice. I have 7 months to think about more beautiful wishes, i hope not to much otherwise I'll get crazy and I need the therapist from 3/03. Ha ha |
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Post by bbatb on Oct 25, 2015 14:17:00 GMT -5
How about this: JT comes up with a cure for Vincent and then they CAN have a baby! It is the end of the series, so Vincent being cured would NOT be a problem. Since they knew about the end before they finish shooting, this could actually be a possibility. Does not hurt to keep our fingers crossed and the toes too, for good measure.  Oh, and ' dwayne1111' you are right about being in the same country.  |
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Post by dwayne1111 on Oct 25, 2015 14:25:12 GMT -5
How about this: JT comes up with a cure for Vincent and then they CAN have a baby! It is the end of the series, so Vincent being cured would NOT be a problem. Since they knew about the end before they finish shooting, this could actually be a possibility. Does not hurt to keep our fingers crossed and the toes too, for good measure. Oh, and ' dwayne1111' you are right about being in the same country. [br You have a good idea too, but l'm more a fan of a little beast baby. That would be nice, wouldn't. l' m open for all possibilities. We'll wait and see , I mean maybe the writers have an other surprise for us in the store. For me a spoiler is a spoiler, they often lead the fans in a wrong direction, and I believe that' s their intention. Just my 2 cents. |
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Post by pippin on Oct 25, 2015 14:31:16 GMT -5
Considering how many seemed to loathe the storyline in S2 and were disappointed in S3, how would you feel if in the final episode Vincent, Tess and Heather are killed by Agent Dylan but Cat wakes up to find herself in ICU after being shot by Sabrina. Reynolds is there and tells her that he was a friend of her mother's and that there's an ADA Lowan who is investigating her and she's on Muirfield's hit list so he's created a new identity for her but she'll have to let her family and friends think that she died in ICU. Heather would still meet Kyle as he could be one of the EMTs who brought Cat in and Tess and JT could meet as Tess is in the waiting room and JT is lurking around for news of Cat. Cat would see this and know that her father, Vincent, and Evan were still alive too and take Reynolds up on his offer. Final scene would be a lonely, heartbroken Cat walking into her house in Sterling, CO where Vincent would be waiting on her bedroom windowsill for her. END OF SERIES
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Post by dwayne1111 on Oct 25, 2015 14:57:30 GMT -5
I can't be sure of course, but from the spoilers and bts stuff we do have I don't think VinCat having a baby is on the menu unfortunately. That storyline would have to be a season long arc in my opinion...but this is just my opinion. Anything can happen. I hope so I hope with you, but a season long arc about a baby would be boring, don't you think. The last few minutes of 4/13, Cat pregnant, in the hoapital after the birth, or a little child cries mum and dad and the camera turns to a close up scene and we see Vincat. Of cause that's just me , and than an open ending with the beautiful fairytale last sentence, and they lived................ But , that' s my idea, no offence, maybe we get a little of both. That would be nice. I have 7 months to think about more beautiful wishes, i hope not to much otherwise I'll get crazy and I need the therapist from 3/03. Ha ha Correction:3-04:) |
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Post by BeastieBoy on Oct 25, 2015 16:02:02 GMT -5
Considering how many seemed to loathe the storyline in S2 and were disappointed in S3, how would you feel if in the final episode Vincent, Tess and Heather are killed by Agent Dylan but Cat wakes up to find herself in ICU after being shot by Sabrina. Reynolds is there and tells her that he was a friend of her mother's and that there's an ADA Lowan who is investigating her and she's on Muirfield's hit list so he's created a new identity for her but she'll have to let her family and friends think that she died in ICU. Heather would still meet Kyle as he could be one of the EMTs who brought Cat in and Tess and JT could meet as Tess is in the waiting room and JT is lurking around for news of Cat. Cat would see this and know that her father, Vincent, and Evan were still alive too and take Reynolds up on his offer. Final scene would be a lonely, heartbroken Cat walking into her house in Sterling, CO where Vincent would be waiting on her bedroom windowsill for her. END OF SERIES Interesting. But I am generally not a fan of "it was all a dream" kind of twist endings. Your idea not only wipes away all of S2 and S3, but also everything that happened after 1x09. Frankly, your ending, while very creative, would leaving me feeling very empty and unsatisfied. It means all the good things that happened to VinCat were not real. But because the series will have ended, we'll never know their story. Sorry, but I can't go along with that idea. |
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Post by BeastieBoy on Oct 25, 2015 16:18:09 GMT -5
I am also not a fan of VinCat baby theme, have said so consistently whenever the idea comes up. I wouldn't mind a discussion or a mini arc. But since this is the final season, I don't think a baby should be the core story line.
I'd rather the climax focus squarely on VinCat, with romance and suspense that's truer to the BATB theme. I've shared this idea before and I'll share it again, I'd like to see Vincent be turned into a full on hideous beast, complete with the fur. This turn of events forces him to leave Catherine and go into hiding once more, perhaps he even seeks refuge in Liam's lair. (However, I highly doubt TPTB will go in this direction.)
Of course I want it to all end with a happy ending. But I want some real danger, angst and suspense before the ending. In 313 Cat thought she might have lost Vincent, but it happened so fast in one episode that we knew Vincent wouldn't die. For S4, I want them to build up real angst and suspense of the course of at least 4-6 episodes leading up to the finale. And I want something that really threatens VinCat's love and being together, something that breaks them up (not a triangle, other reasons) and something that only their love can overcome to bring them back.
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Post by ebeline on Oct 25, 2015 16:47:56 GMT -5
So, Stuart will be directing 413 and Brad Kern will probably write it - if he keeps up tradition. Well, he CAN do romance (as evidenced in 201 and 313, which were awesome!) Question is: WILL he? Let us hope for the best. Then we are already two who hope, and we are in the same country Am I right? No, we are three ! |
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Post by pippin on Oct 25, 2015 17:22:06 GMT -5
Considering how many seemed to loathe the storyline in S2 and were disappointed in S3, how would you feel if in the final episode Vincent, Tess and Heather are killed by Agent Dylan but Cat wakes up to find herself in ICU after being shot by Sabrina. Reynolds is there and tells her that he was a friend of her mother's and that there's an ADA Lowan who is investigating her and she's on Muirfield's hit list so he's created a new identity for her but she'll have to let her family and friends think that she died in ICU. Heather would still meet Kyle as he could be one of the EMTs who brought Cat in and Tess and JT could meet as Tess is in the waiting room and JT is lurking around for news of Cat. Cat would see this and know that her father, Vincent, and Evan were still alive too and take Reynolds up on his offer. Final scene would be a lonely, heartbroken Cat walking into her house in Sterling, CO where Vincent would be waiting on her bedroom windowsill for her. END OF SERIES Interesting. But I am generally not a fan of "it was all a dream" kind of twist endings. Your idea not only wipes away all of S2 and S3, but also everything that happened after 1x09. Frankly, your ending, while very creative, would leaving me feeling very empty and unsatisfied. It means all the good things that happened to VinCat were not real. But because the series will have ended, we'll never know their story. Sorry, but I can't go along with that idea. I would view it more as Cat and we saw the future of all the terrible things that could happen to the people VinCat love (or Cat loves), and considering the bitterness many seem to have towards the Alex arc and S2 and S3 . . . what would be lost? We might not know VinCat's story, but since most don't seem to have liked what we got, then we would be free to imagine whatever we want. How about if I tack on a coda -- Vincent gets off the window sill, walks towards Cat, they share an emotional embrace, Vincent gets down on one knee and proposes, Cat says yes, they kiss passionately, rip each others clothes off, and the series ends with an AMP style love scene. |
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Post by pippin on Oct 25, 2015 17:59:21 GMT -5
I am also not a fan of VinCat baby theme, have said so consistently whenever the idea comes up. I wouldn't mind a discussion or a mini arc. But since this is the final season, I don't think a baby should be the core story line. I'd rather the climax focus squarely on VinCat, with romance and suspense that's truer to the BATB theme. I've shared this idea before and I'll share it again, I'd like to see Vincent be turned into a full on hideous beast, complete with the fur. This turn of events forces him to leave Catherine and go into hiding once more, perhaps he even seeks refuge in Liam's lair. (However, I highly doubt TPTB will go in this direction.) Of course I want it to all end with a happy ending. But I want some real danger, angst and suspense before the ending. In 313 Cat thought she might have lost Vincent, but it happened so fast in one episode that we knew Vincent wouldn't die. For S4, I want them to build up real angst and suspense of the course of at least 4-6 episodes leading up to the finale. And I want something that really threatens VinCat's love and being together, something that breaks them up (not a triangle, other reasons) and something that only their love can overcome to bring them back. I'm not a baby person either but I thought one thing they could have done with Alex's backstory would have been that she found out she was pregnant after V ran off to Afghanistan. She would have been so upset with V for dumping her that at first she didn't tell him. After a bit, they start to reconcile but he is "killed" before she has a chance to tell him. The baby "dies" during child birth and Alex has a bit of a breakdown. JT knew all of this but kept it from V, cuz why make him feel worse. When Cat and Alex meet, Cat begins to think that Muirfield had a hand in the baby's death or faked its death so they could have it for their experiments knowing that it contained whatever was special about V's dna. Anyway, if you don't like snow globe endings, how about Cat dies and Vincent turns into a full on beast and goes to live in Liam's lair that way it sort of ties back to the Perlman / Hamilton series. Personally, I'm all for bittersweet or tragic endings. I think they have more lasting impact, but since we've seen how TPTB would end the show twice now, I'm sure we will be getting some tidy, nice ending. |
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Post by jefferen on Oct 25, 2015 22:13:41 GMT -5
I don't want cat being pregnant for the whole season, but a child that potentially has beast DNA has a lot of potential for a storyline, from when cat is pregnant to after she gives birth and the child is hunted and VinCat doing everything in their power to protect the child even if it means going into hiding. I don't want a domesticated story where cats pregnant and that's it and they have the baby and its happily ever after...I want tension, agony for a baby story line, I'd b ok with a mini arc but I don't think the storyline would b plausible or realistic if it was told as a mini arc versus season long. Just imo |
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Post by dwayne1111 on Oct 26, 2015 0:46:02 GMT -5
I am also not a fan of VinCat baby theme, have said so consistently whenever the idea comes up. I wouldn't mind a discussion or a mini arc. But since this is the final season, I don't think a baby should be the core story line. I'd rather the climax focus squarely on VinCat, with romance and suspense that's truer to the BATB theme. I've shared this idea before and I'll share it again, I'd like to see Vincent be turned into a full on hideous beast, complete with the fur. This turn of events forces him to leave Catherine and go into hiding once more, perhaps he even seeks refuge in Liam's lair. (However, I highly doubt TPTB will go in this direction.) Of course I want it to all end with a happy ending. But I want some real danger, angst and suspense before the ending. In 313 Cat thought she might have lost Vincent, but it happened so fast in one episode that we knew Vincent wouldn't die. For S4, I want them to build up real angst and suspense of the course of at least 4-6 episodes leading up to the finale. And I want something that really threatens VinCat's love and being together, something that breaks them up (not a triangle, other reasons) and something that only their love can overcome to bring them back. I'm not a baby person either but I thought one thing they could have done with Alex's backstory would have been that she found out she was pregnant after V ran off to Afghanistan. She would have been so upset with V for dumping her that at first she didn't tell him. After a bit, they start to reconcile but he is "killed" before she has a chance to tell him. The baby "dies" during child birth and Alex has a bit of a breakdown. JT knew all of this but kept it from V, cuz why make him feel worse. When Cat and Alex meet, Cat begins to think that Muirfield had a hand in the baby's death or faked its death so they could have it for their experiments knowing that it contained whatever was special about V's dna. Anyway, if you don't like snow globe endings, how about Cat dies and Vincent turns into a full on beast and goes to live in Liam's lair that way it sort of ties back to the Perlman / Hamilton series. Personally, I'm all for bittersweet or tragic endings. I think they have more lasting impact, but since we've seen how TPTB would end the show twice now, I'm sure we will be getting some tidy, nice ending. You're really not a baby person, but I respect your opinion. I'm more the romantic type, I would love a happy ending for a fairy related show. But who knows. I had enough tragedy in their lives. Like AB said, let us bring the show to an end with a bang. Don't get me wrong, of cause I want to have a plausible storyline, but I also want to have the show capable to take me to an ending where an unconditional love, justice, forgiveness,second chances, faith and even a beast baby can survive anything. Looks like I'm the only one who loves that stuff. |
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Post by BeastieBoy on Oct 26, 2015 2:45:42 GMT -5
I'd be happy if they just brought Muirfield back as the big bad for S4 and tie up the loose ends from S1. I didn't mind the story lines of S2 or S3, they were fine for me. While neither season could really compare to S1, I enjoyed S2 and S3 very much. The love triangles in S1 & S2 never really bothered me. In fact, it made VinCat getting together (and back together) that much better. The lack of VinCat passion in S3 is what bothered me most. This is one of the reasons I'm against the VinCat baby story line. I'm afraid it will detract from the romance and passion, and would put VinCat's focus on the baby instead of each other. They need to have that honeymoon period and grow as married couple, not rush to have a child. If they can bring back the epic VinCat love in S4 and bring closure to their story, I'll be a happy camper. I don't know about a bitter sweet ending, maybe if it's done right, where one sacrifices for the other or something really noble & epic. Still, I don't know if I'd recover. (I've still not recovered from Clark and Lana not ending up together in Smallville.) I think I'd take pippin's rewrite of the "it was a dream" ending over the tragic death of Catherine ending. That one seems just too sad. |
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Oct 26, 2015 11:10:59 GMT -5
I am for a "Life Unexpected"-style ending to the series. For those of you who don't know it, that was the series that Austin Basis was on before BATB. When they found out it was to be cancelled, the last episode included a fast-forward so that you could see that the kid's parents, in fact, got together as well as remaining friends with the ex's, that stayed involved in the child's life. (The fast-forward was seeing the girl graduate after having overcome so much.)
At any rate, Cat could find out she was pregnant at the end of 412, and 413 could be a flash-forward into the future, where final things got wrapped up years in the future. And you get to see how VinCat still in love and happy with their child(ren). That way, you haven't wasted time (I, personally, don't think it would be wasted time to see VinCat having to worry throughout the pregnancy about the DNA consequences, where to live, etc. as well as dealing with the immediate threats to their love and very existence) on dealing with just pregnancy issues. You would get time to actually see VinCat and family.
I'd personally love best to see Vincent having been cured and VinCat thinking that the baby would be normal due to the conception coming seemingly after Vincent was cured. But as the future shows, the baby DID inherit Vincent's beast-traits. Which would explain why VinCat have relocated to some out-of-the-way locale in which to hopefully raise their child undetected. (I can't help but love the idea of a cute little pig-tailed girl that has to wear her "special necklace" to school, which is in actuality the gem.) You'd get to see interesting ways VinCat have of dealing with the situation and having to be able to relocate at the drop of a hat due to always having to look over their shoulders in order to protect their family. But still happy nonetheless.
(And DON'T get me started on Smallville! It was my fondest hope and wish that they would have gotten Kristin to come back for a multi-episode arc in the alternate universe where Clark and Lana WOULD be able to get together and live happily ever after. It would have been wonderful for the fans if Clark and Lana HAD that happy ending, at least somewhere. My understanding is that everyone was invited back to make an appearance in Season 10, but KK felt her character's story was done. I have always wondered if the whole Alternate Universe scenario was designed not only to get Lionel Luthor back but to also give KK a chance to return and have another chance with Clark elsewhere. Sigh.)
But after having been denied a Clark/Lana happy ending in some universe somewhere, I will be SUPREMELY miffed if I am denied a VinCat Happily Ever After in BATB. At least here, there is no comic-book company to be offended by the main couple's pairing! And HOW could a show entitled "Beauty and the Beast" kill off one or the other at the end? (I mean, AGAIN? They already did it with the first series, but that was due to Linda Hamilton's leaving due to her real-life pregnancy.) No need to mentally screw up Beasties a SECOND time around!
Nope, there had BETTER be a Happily Ever After!!! Or there must be rioting in the streets by heavily pitchforked-armed Beasties!!
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Post by bbatb on Oct 26, 2015 12:45:31 GMT -5
Considering how many seemed to loathe the storyline in S2 and were disappointed in S3, how would you feel if in the final episode Vincent, Tess and Heather are killed by Agent Dylan but Cat wakes up to find herself in ICU after being shot by Sabrina. Reynolds is there and tells her that he was a friend of her mother's and that there's an ADA Lowan who is investigating her and she's on Muirfield's hit list so he's created a new identity for her but she'll have to let her family and friends think that she died in ICU. Heather would still meet Kyle as he could be one of the EMTs who brought Cat in and Tess and JT could meet as Tess is in the waiting room and JT is lurking around for news of Cat. Cat would see this and know that her father, Vincent, and Evan were still alive too and take Reynolds up on his offer. Final scene would be a lonely, heartbroken Cat walking into her house in Sterling, CO where Vincent would be waiting on her bedroom windowsill for her. END OF SERIES At the end of S2 I had similar thoughts - even though normally I am with ' BeastieBoy' regarding the 'it-was-all-a-dream' scenario. Only my change happened in 208 after Vincent crashed Catherine's car: He is so shocked at how far he as gone, risking the life of the woman to whom he once said: 'My instinct is always to protect you.' He comes out of his rage and pulls Catherine out of the car, calls for help. Catherine falls into a coma and the gang comes to visit her every day and they tell her about their lives and Catherine's comatose mind makes up her own story from their tales and that then turns into the stories of the episodes. They tell her that Bob is badly injured and her mind has Vincent attacking him and her shooting him..... I even had Tori come and apologize for kissing Vincent and Catherine's mind makes 212 out of that and Tori saying 'You belong with Catherine'..... Held Hostage - Tess tells her about a situation at the precinct.... and later how they try to find Sam.... G. comes and amits to being in love with her.... you get the drift.... Then she wakes up and a modified 216 can happen. |
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