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Post by Darcy on Feb 5, 2013 23:21:07 GMT -5
Just saw Austin's tweet from tonight: Austin Basis @austinbasis @inmachulia Vincent may just make a choice between Cat & Alex in #ColdTurkey...!!!
Hope so - and it better be the right choice!!
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Post by Darcy on Feb 5, 2013 23:19:54 GMT -5
Just saw Austin's tweet from tonight: Austin Basis @austinbasis @inmachulia Vincent may just make a choice between Cat & Alex in #ColdTurkey...!!!
Hope so - and it better be the right choice!!
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Post by Darcy on Feb 4, 2013 13:10:14 GMT -5
My take on that was that Catherine is PUSHING HIM away...cause she refuses to admit what she knows she feels. All this playing out while Catherine is trying to deal with her own feelings. I think that when she has to save Vincents ass cause of him being reckless is when that wall begins to crumble inside of her...seeing the fact that he's willing to jeopardize his life to be with ALEX is a BIG jolt that makes Catherine accept the fact that she can LOSE HIM That's why the scene at the firing range is so powerful cause for the first time..SHE has admitted that she has FEELINGS for the most complicated guy on the planet! Thus the desperation that she is losing him to someone else. By the end ..when she confesses she loves Vincent and the shrink tells her to take a leap of faith and tell him how she feels....It's too late...but why? Basically cause when Vincent wanted to TALK about THEM she would brush it off...in a way SHE PUSHED HIM AWAY and made him so confused...Cause now he not only had stepped foot in LA LA LAND thanks to Alex but he wasn't sure he wanted to back to what he already knows. Does the phrase "You don't know what you have until you lose it??" This is what happens to Catherine, that is HER wake up call... The same line "You don't know what you have until you lose it??" is going to apply to Vincent in Cold Turkey..His wake up call is calling...it will be in what form?? I dunno but he will be rocked..It's the only way to wake him up from his LA LA Land fantasy. Sorry for the rant.. and I'm sure I'll have a view that will disagree with me on this so I expect backlash.. ..It's okay cause I enjoy different views... Yolanda Yolanda, I find your points very thought-provoking... I agree that Catherine has pushed Vincent away. Seems to be her method of self-protection. I recall several incidents prior to the last 2 episodes, where Catherine cuts Vincent off before he can finish - most notably in Worth, when they're in her apartment, and Vincent, on JT's advice, has come to "tell her how he really feels"... but she won't let him finish, and, in fact, twists it to mean that he's trying to "let her down easy". My point is that Catherine, up until On Thin Ice, is trying to protect herself from getting hurt and would rather change the subject than hear harsh words from Vincent. Even though, in fact, he may have been trying to express the opposite. Interestingly, they both play at this game (the opening scene of Worth is a prime example, and one of my favs) where they assume they know what the other is going to say, or is trying to say, and create all kinds of misunderstandings. That's what makes Cat's scenes with the shrink so striking - he pins her down and she finally processes it all and comes out with the bottom-line truth - she loves Vincent. Notice in the final scene, Cat says she needs to be honest with Vincent , he says he needs to be honest with her... all this honesty, and yet, we're still in a mess! Can't wait to see how the plot turns (and twists, and turns) this Thursday!
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Post by Darcy on Feb 3, 2013 21:26:34 GMT -5
I think you make excellent points, yolyco... Frankly all this Vincent bashing is getting to be bit much for me. Yes, we are frustrated, but I'm trying to see things from Vincent's point of view, after 10 years of loneliness and despair. He needs to deal with the old before he embraces the new. He WILL come around. And it seems to me that patience and forgiveness is a huge part of true love... I look forward to seeing Catherine's depth and character as she forgives Vincent. It will be worth it all in the end.
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Post by Darcy on Feb 2, 2013 21:52:21 GMT -5
I was just looking again at the episode photos released for 1.12 and 1.13 ( yes I'm starved for any BatB info!) and think its interesting that NONE of them include Alex, even though she's involved in both. Damage control? Well, we certainly had enough pictures of Alex and "Vince" at the skating rink. About made me sick, and I'm sure I'm not the only one!
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Post by Darcy on Feb 2, 2013 21:47:54 GMT -5
I'm new to this thread and forum and for what it's worth, they had me at hello with this show. I think Alex is a plot device designed to delay the obvious (Vincat), as well as give them an opportunity to flesh-out Vincent's character. Having said that, I think they did some things very well in Seeing Red, and really made some big mistakes as well. On the one hand, I felt like Vincent and Cat made leaping strides emotionally, just not physically. I could see a great deal more vulnerability in the scene between Vincent and Cat at the beginning and especially at the end. I loved the scene at the end. It felt like he was ready to step across that threshold and lay it all on the line... Key mistakes, in my book, include the fact that Vincent was not immediately forthcoming regarding his relationship with Alex when he and Cat first talked about her, calling Cat his "handler" to Alex, and running around yelling for Alex, when he should have been worried about Cat too at the end. I also think the fact that Alex does not seem like-able at all is leading up to something significant... Regarding the Vincent/Cat scene at the end, I was pretty disappointed that they gave Cat the line "Not when you're with her" after Vincent said, "Hey that guy's not completely gone"... I mean, I get it that her walls were up after seeing the lip-lock, however, one doesn't have to have a lot of imagination to realize the kiss could have been initiated by Alex. Vincent looked pretty emotionally vulnerable to me with Cat, and while i can appreciate the fact that Cat can play hard ball, I felt like that particular line was pushing it a bit too far. I don't blame her for wishing she knew what he was like before, I just thought that particular line was a shot to the heart, like the old him was completely gone. I also think that there is more to this story than we have seen so far, guilt he feels over leaving Alex the way that he did, whatever happened after his brothers died... There may be a reason why he hasn't wanted to dump all that on Cat. Ultimately it may be about comfort, how comfortable is he talking about things that he may not be proud of in his past? It seems fitting to me that there is a woman from his past with whom he has unfinished business. After all, who wouldn't have unfinished business after hiding out and pretending to be dead for 10 years? My hope is that we learn more about Vincent's past, and that the anguish created by the Alex-storm brings Vincent and Cat closer together in the end. Love your reasoning, spydancer! Great insight!
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Post by Darcy on Feb 2, 2013 21:41:58 GMT -5
I feel like Catherine, the therapist, and supporting cast were so awesome in this episode, and overall, I really enjoyed it. My take-away from all of the scenes with Vincent is that he is toying with the life that he once had. And just like Catherine says at the end, he is fantasizing so long as Alex doesn't know the truth. Even though Vincent is being selfish and hurtful, I'm listening less to the stuff that he says, than I am to all of the stuff that he doesn't say. I think it is interesting that when he talks about "loving Alex" that it is past tense. Yes, he's being a jerk with Catherine, but he also isn't saying that it is about being in love with Alex in the here and now. To me that is really important. You know, I feel like when he gets pushed and it really comes down to the heart of things, he will admit that Alex is not the person he is really in love with right now. Essentially he loves a memory. Anyway, I'm hopeful that we will see some movement away from Vincent/Alex next week. I agree with you TOTALLY, spydancer! We are definitely in a "valley" in the storyline right now, but we have to trust the writers - things will start to turn around this coming week (oh please, may it be so!), and soon Vincent will come back, wiser and humbler than ever, and be that hunky hero we know and love.
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Post by Darcy on Feb 2, 2013 21:30:48 GMT -5
Hey Darcy ... I suspect you are right ... she loves him and, even more importantly, she knows and understands him. They are both damaged and that is huge. "I accept all that you are" could be a clue here and, while a part of me would like her to hurt him back, I don't think she will ... just give me that conversation where he admits that she is everything .... I need it as a viewer, as a fan and as a hopeless romantic. Is that too much to ask? No, not too much to ask, summer - can't wait till Vincent bares his soul and confesses his love for Catherine! However, it may take time for her to believe him, to trust him. He's dug himself into quite a hole here, and it will surely take awhile for him to climb back out.
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Post by Darcy on Feb 2, 2013 19:01:33 GMT -5
Here's a great quote from Jay Ryan in an interview 1/24/13
Does Vincent think that Alex, not Catherine, may be the love of his life? JR: I think Vincent never ever doubts that Catherine’s the love of his life, but he does doubt that he can make it work in this world with Catherine. And he considers righting the wrongs of all this turmoil that he’s put his ex-fiancée through. Vincent feels that he needs to stand up as a man and right those wrongs. And Alex will see things with her own two eyes that no one would ever expect to see in this world that we live in. From there on we actually see where Alex’s loyalties lie and how she copes with what her love of her life has become.
Whhat he says here gives us real hope! Though I'm not at all sure what the last couple of lines mean... Where do her loyalties lie?
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Post by Darcy on Feb 2, 2013 18:29:59 GMT -5
I'm not convinced that Catherine will reject Vincent as payback... She truly does love him, and wants a forever relationship with him. However, when he comes back (and we KNOW he will ) she will probably find it very, very hard to trust him. He will need to work hard to gain back her trust. Loved Catherine's discussions with the doc. Finally we got a ton of information about how she really feels, culminating in her sweet confession. Really great acting there!
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Post by Darcy on Feb 1, 2013 20:44:13 GMT -5
The writers and actors in interviews have all said that they want to keep Vincent and Catherine's relationship chivalrous and romantic. That's why there's been no kiss, no real physical intimacy. Jay used the term "slow burn"... so I'm pretty sure Vincent will not sleep with Alex, nor will there be any pregnancy. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Remember that the show is based on the 1980's show, one of the most romantic slow burns ever.
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Post by Darcy on Feb 1, 2013 19:54:38 GMT -5
It seems to me that one of the redeeming ways the writers can spin the story of Vincent's choosing Catherine over Alex, will NOT be that Alex dies, or freaks over Vincent's beastness, etc. Instead it would be much more satisfying if Vincent finally figures out his true love for Cat, and just tells Alex that he chooses Cat over her, that he just doesn't love her. That way, Catherine is not a leftover, or a 2nd choice. Then I'd say an earnest and heartfelt apology to Catherine will be an important step in restarting their relationship.
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Post by Darcy on Feb 1, 2013 18:00:22 GMT -5
Yes, it was great to learn Catherine's thoughts - about herself, Vincent and their relationship. Until she spoke to the psychiatrist, we've never actually known what she's thinking, aside from what she tells Vincent (which isn't that much) and Tess (which is even less). It made her so much more human and vulnerable. I agree also that we learned from Holly that Muirfield has some scheme up their sleeve - they don't want to kill him, they want to use him for some sinister purpose. Aaaghh, next Thursday seems SO far away!
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Post by Darcy on Feb 1, 2013 12:55:43 GMT -5
I was more relaxed watching this episode than Seeing Red. This episode is my favorite one by far. I really liked how Catherine fought back for herself and finally told Vincent how she felt. The best part was she saved his @ss from being arrested. The stuff that she said to him sure showed him! I was disappointed at the end because he was still torn. It took a lot of courage from her to say how she felt and I thought she got him at "Vincent I want to be with you". I totally agree about Catherine's courage, and I love the journey she made throughout this episode. I did enjoy On Thin Ice more than Seeing Red, especially knowing that we're going to get beyond the Alex storyline soon. But it's pretty hard to beat Bridesmaid Up for the romance as well as the intimate, humorous banter.
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Post by Darcy on Feb 1, 2013 11:00:06 GMT -5
Thanks summer, I had missed that. I love to check out all the details from scene to scene, and I'm very impressed with the way the producers, for the most part, carefully keep continuity.
Another thing I don't get... On the web, in interviews, several times I've read that they're calling Alex a doctor. Yet so far on the show, she is definitely a nurse. What's up?
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