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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 8:39:17 GMT -5
Did you they were gonna kiss at the end of the episode, like some originally felt? Never really got that vibe. I always was leaning towards a frontal hug. Never crossed my mind they would kiss...wasn't the place for it LOL I had the impression that they were gonna kiss, but that will be an orrible place to remember such a sweet thing... Even if a small kiss on the head of Cat would be good during a big hug |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 8:43:22 GMT -5
I'm always wondering when they filmed those military scenes: V. has short hair and JR has loger hair from the beginning till the end of the season. Did anybody explaine it this during interviews or on Twitter and I have missed it? Dosn't seem he has a wig on
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Post by tenshi on Mar 4, 2015 9:00:56 GMT -5
I'm always wondering when they filmed those military scenes: V. has short hair and JR has loger hair from the beginning till the end of the season. Did anybody explaine it this during interviews or on Twitter and I have missed it? Dosn't seem he has a wig on I think it is a wig. For me the hair doesn't look natural. |
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Post by jefferen on Mar 4, 2015 12:37:03 GMT -5
I'm always wondering when they filmed those military scenes: V. has short hair and JR has loger hair from the beginning till the end of the season. Did anybody explaine it this during interviews or on Twitter and I have missed it? Dosn't seem he has a wig on Not sure it was ever explained. But I loved V's look in the flashbacks. Loved his hair or wig or whatever it was this episode. I think I liked the length n that it was darker than normal along with the whiskered beard look....ontop of him being in army gear and that tight shirt...just yummy:) |
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Mar 4, 2015 14:39:41 GMT -5
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Mar 4, 2015 14:42:23 GMT -5
i liked this episode a real lot  loved the final scene, loved learning more about vincent's backstory and you could really see in this episode that they were getting closer in a deeper way i feel bad for not posting more for each episode but I would be repeating myself as i have reviewed these episodes before and very extensively lol |
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Mar 5, 2015 1:19:56 GMT -5
I knew he was a REAL singer LOL I always knew, he did a great job with this song though, and GUESS who he's singing with?? THe chick from Eye Candy LOL So here's BATB meets Eye Candy Max Schneider and Victoria Justice |
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Mar 5, 2015 2:38:45 GMT -5
I knew he was a REAL singer LOL I always knew, he did a great job with this song though, and GUESS who he's singing with?? THe chick from Eye Candy LOL So here's BATB meets Eye Candy Max Schneider and Victoria Justice all he seems to be doing is covers lol but he can sing |
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Mar 5, 2015 3:06:13 GMT -5
I knew he was a REAL singer LOL I always knew, he did a great job with this song though, and GUESS who he's singing with?? THe chick from Eye Candy LOL So here's BATB meets Eye Candy Max Schneider and Victoria Justice wow! he sings pretty nice! and she is also a singer?? she also sings nice... Better than Amber Skye IMO... www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhpImdnb_UI |
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Mar 5, 2015 14:21:54 GMT -5
I knew he was a REAL singer LOL I always knew, he did a great job with this song though, and GUESS who he's singing with?? THe chick from Eye Candy LOL So here's BATB meets Eye Candy Max Schneider and Victoria Justice wow! he sings pretty nice! and she is also a singer?? she also sings nice... Better than Amber Skye IMO... www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhpImdnb_UIher acting is decent too |
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Mar 6, 2015 17:23:32 GMT -5
I will have to say that the "Graveyard Scene" is really critical to this episode in showing where Vincent WANTS to go in regards to his relationship with Catherine. He all but says that they are moving forward together. Meaning implied that they would be a COUPLE. And Catherine seems into this (very much so). Vincent's doubts and insecurities (and sensitivity) end up taking a real blow by next episode. "Bridesmaid Up" serves to be both so wonderfully romantic and woefully tragic as Catherine is injured just when she tries to right the sudden wrong/suspicion that the whole "beast"/DNA issue has once again brought up as to whether or not Vincent and Catherine could ever really be a couple.
This episode shows that Vincent basically still wants a quick and definitive fix to his beast issues--so he hopes that the serum (or whatever you want to call the injection that ends the blackouts/side effects produced as a result of being activated by the initial beast serum) alone will help give him what he needs in order to pursue the relationship. When Catherine tries to provide the "reality check," Vincent just isn't ready to hear it or wants it to just be Catherine's problem. And Vincent just can't handle a potential end to the relationship with Catherine as you see from this episode. Which starts the chain of events known as the "Alex" arc. Vincent wants the woman that he thinks just accepts everything about him, no matter what, and will give him a happy life. Which turns out to be a joke in that Alex ONLY supposedly accepts Vincent's issues BECAUSE she knows nothing about the whole beast thing. Once she does, she rejects him outright and won't even try, and Vincent comes to the realization that Catherine loves the whole him and was being realistically cautious. And Alex always seemed to me to REALLY be a reaction of Vincent's to fear that Catherine would NOT commit to him, as she is the REAL love of his life.
So to me, the "Graveyard Scene" in "Trapped" shows how Vincent was willing to risk his life and take the injection JUST to be able to be with Catherine, his real heart's desire. That was his motivation in taking the serum without waiting for it to be tested. He just won't risk losing Catherine, especially after the events in "Out Of Control." So Vincent is both in love with Catherine by this episode (he was before, but he is just now fully coming to terms with what that means) AND so fearful that the beast issues will prove to much of a barrier to the relationship. So is kind of symbolic that the scene occurs in the graveyard--which is a reminder of where death is at the same time that it reminds the living of the power of life and love.
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Post by ArwenFan on Mar 18, 2015 18:42:56 GMT -5
I also like that this episode establishes that Vanessa Chandler really WAS a good person and wanted to fix her mistakes and help protect the soldiers, even at the risk of her own life. She was willing to "talk" and come forward, as she threatened the soldier to do if they followed through with killing all of the beast-soldiers. She clearly wanted to do the right thing in the end. And she gave Vincent her reasons for participating in the beast projects with the long-term goal being to protect people. It is sad that Season 2 Vincent in episode "Held Hostage" can't remember, at least at that time, the good side of Vanessa because he comments about Catherine's whole family having screwed him over and not being able to trust them. So even if Vincent DID fully have all of his memories at that point, he clearly didn't know how to interpret them OR he remembered more than he remembers in this episode. Because Vanessa clearly DID try to save Vincent (and the others, where possible). "Vanessa Chandler really was a good person"? Are you serious?  I never felt that VC was a good person. She went from working with an organization that performed inhuman experiments on children to being the primary scientist responsible for injecting a slew of unwitting adults with various animal DNA. Where was her empathy and concern for the people she experimented on before they were out of control? So, her long term goal was to protect people while sacrificing some people? What a stand up human being--NOT. Had VC been trying to save Vincent or any of the other soldiers she injected with her beast cocktail, she would have worked on a way to reverse the entire process. Vincent was spot on when he said Catherine's family screwed him over, and Vanessa Chandler led the pack. |
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Mar 22, 2015 19:49:39 GMT -5
ArwenFan,
I remain on the fence as far as Vanessa Chandler is concerned. Vincent, himself, remembers that she was genuinely concerned about the soldiers and was working on the side effects. For all we know, she did attempt to work on a reversal process. Vincent remembers Vanessa threatening to go public regarding the experiments (and even her role in them as well) over the killing of the soldiers. From Vincent's memories, it seems like Vanessa believed she was doing the right thing. (Even Gabe said she was the only good person at Muirfield, and he adored her as she came to check on the children. Bob even knew Vanessa had gotten children out from their tormentors, and we see from Gabe's memories that Vanessa made it look like children had "died" when she had really smuggled them out to good homes.) Do supposedly, based on the memories of Vincent and Gabe, Vanessa stuck around Muirfield to try to undo the damage or help once the damage was done. What more could she have done? By remaining with Muirfield, she DID try to save some people.
I agree that the whole presentation of Vanessa Chandler is problematic to me as well. I feel the writers on "Fringe" did so much of a better job in their presentation of Walter Bishop and Bell and how the line between good and evil is so thin and easily crossed by scientists intent on making the world better without realizing the ultimate costs to certain individuals and society as a whole. One of the whole points of Fringe was that NO ONE should try to play God. Those that did always ended up condemning both themselves and the very people they were trying to save. On that show, Walter Bishop crossed universes to save the life of another version of his son. The way in which he intended to save the boy ended with known and unknown consequences that rippled throughout the lives of countless individuals in both universes. You see in this show that many individuals go into a scientific endeavor intending to benefit mankind. Walter's efforts to right a wrong cause far more wrong which ultimately just drives him insane. But later, Walter tries to help the FBI in righting his many wrongs and the fact that as a scientist, he tried to play God. One of the whole points of the show is the Quest for Forgiveness (which for Walter is receiving a white tulip--there is more to the story then this, obviously).
I still think that what BATB was TRYING to do (emphasis on the trying) was to do a Fringe-like approach to Vanessa. She was a scientist intent on using science to "better" mankind, and then spent her remaining life and career trying to earn forgiveness for what her research was actually used for. Meaning she was disillusioned by what she saw, but she knew that simply leaving Muirfield would never undo what she had done (and just would leave others free to do further evil without any thought to ethics without anyone being the wiser).
I'm still just not sure what the writers ultimately meant to do with Vanessa. Like I said, both Vincent and Gabe insisted she was the only good one in the bunch. As Gabe goes to show, even if you THINK you are well-meaning, you often aren't and are just trying to cover up your own evil. So either Vanessa went in with good intentions, got in over her head and realized that her OWN research had been used horribly, and then Vanessa attempted to make amends by actually staying in Muirfield to attempt to help the victims live and function (or escape). Meaning she was good at heart and trying to undo or minimize the damage. I still can't see her as entirely evil or unconcerned or unconnected with what she did. Her conversations with Vincent from his memories and her conversations with Gabe's adoptive parents show a person trying to ameliorate the damage. So I see her as a grief-stricken and repentant person.
I'd love to see BATB tackle the issue of Vanessa in upcoming seasons and lay to bed the issue finally. Maybe offer Vanessa some sort of redemption/forgiveness after all.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Mar 22, 2015 19:57:43 GMT -5
Last comment I will make --Vincent himself encourages Catherine to love and continue to respect her mother. AND to see her mother as a good person. And even to see Bob as someone she shouldn't feel ashamed to want to keep from harm.
I am going with the absolute most romantic version that I can come up with. Meaning, if nothing else, I think Vincent has reconciled himself with Catherine's family members' actions by the end of season 2. He even sees Bob as someone that Catherine should care about and even receive protection. And that is a plus to me for Vincent's ultimate character--he can no longer hate either individual that ultimately caused Catherine to be born. For Vincent, the fact that Bob and Vanessa produced Catherine is all the redemption required for him for what they did to him. He loves Catherine so much that he can't possibly hate where she comes from. After all, SOMETHING good in their DNA was passed to the daughter that is the love of his life. So Vincent is at peace with Bob and Vanessa. Because he has the love of their daughter. (Yeah, I hear my mind saying "AAWWWW!" Sappy, I know. But it works for me. The HEALING and all-empowering LOVE that is epic and rights all the wrongs.)
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Post by ArwenFan on Mar 22, 2015 22:02:47 GMT -5
alwayscrazedbatbfan,
Yes, I can see that you are romanticizing Vanessa Chandler. And yes, Vincent is the hero of this story, but that doesn't mean I have to accept his opinion of Vanessa or believe that he knew who the woman really was. Vincent likes to spare Catherine the dark side of her mother. We don't know what her motives were, but based on the harm she did to people and the secrets she kept, I am not willing to cut her any slack for her sins, no matter how much "retconning" the writers try to do through other characters.
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loved the final scene, loved learning more about vincent's backstory and you could really see in this episode that they were getting closer in a deeper way 
