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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2014 22:12:15 GMT -5
The more I think about it, I emphatically disagree with those who say "she should have". Whether she did tell him or not, it was nobody's business what she did that night - except hers and Vincent's. As JT said, she's not wearing a ring, therefore, Gabe had no expectation of exclusivity - or anything else. As he himself said, Cat had the right to change her mind. (The complicating factor was that Cat didn't know her mind) Both Cat and Tess have a little more casual attitude about sex than I would myself but that is the way the characters are written. (And I'm probably pretty old fashioned). It is important not to confuse honesty with exclusivity. So what would honesty require? If she had kept trying to make it work with Gabe and they had progressed to an exclusive relationship, then she would have to live by that or tell him when it was over. It might have been different if she had accepted Gabe's key - or even told him that she loved him - but I'm pretty sure neither happened. It was all future tense with Gabe and Catherine; they were always "trying to make it work". But frankly she did change her mind, right about the end of the masquerade party, and Gabe knew it. No .. I don't think Catherine had any intention of telling Gabe that she slept with Vincent. I have to agree with Bill the beast here. Actually, I think Cat's only obligation to Gabe was to tell him that their relationship wasn't working ... AND SHE DID THAT. Done and Over. |
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Post by Laura on Mar 17, 2014 4:06:52 GMT -5
The more I think about it, I emphatically disagree with those who say "she should have". Whether she did tell him or not, it was nobody's business what she did that night - except hers and Vincent's. As JT said, she's not wearing a ring, therefore, Gabe had no expectation of exclusivity - or anything else. As he himself said, Cat had the right to change her mind. (The complicating factor was that Cat didn't know her mind) Both Cat and Tess have a little more casual attitude about sex than I would myself but that is the way the characters are written. (And I'm probably pretty old fashioned). It is important not to confuse honesty with exclusivity. So what would honesty require? If she had kept trying to make it work with Gabe and they had progressed to an exclusive relationship, then she would have to live by that or tell him when it was over. It might have been different if she had accepted Gabe's key - or even told him that she loved him - but I'm pretty sure neither happened. It was all future tense with Gabe and Catherine; they were always "trying to make it work". But frankly she did change her mind, right about the end of the masquerade party, and Gabe knew it. Hmm.. When you put it that way... Well, yes, I agree with your points - which is weird, since I have a different opinion about this. But what you say does make sense to me, and I actually really like it  |
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Post by oriana happy 4 s3 on Mar 17, 2014 4:41:16 GMT -5
I think she originally wanted to. But then Vincent happened  And I agree with you. I think she would probably have put off telling him, and been awkward around him until the "bombshell" moment (for His Majesty of course!). Mentioning Vincent… We need to give him a huge red point for not making decisions for Catherine and telling to Gabe what happened.   Vincent is a beast-gentle man and a true gentleman never tells anyone about what happened between him and his woman! He told JT: I am not giving you any details.  |
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Post by chilly20 on Mar 17, 2014 4:46:56 GMT -5
No, I don't think she did. She was still trying to come to terms with the fact that she had slept with Vincent, processing it and what it meant. However, during this self reflection process, Vincent was very present reminding her that they belonged together and Gabe, unknowingly, was showing her why that relationship was wrong for her. In the end, she decided to end the relationship without piling on more misery by admitting to having slept with Vincent. It became irrelevant in the end.
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Post by oriana happy 4 s3 on Mar 17, 2014 4:59:06 GMT -5
The more I think about it, I emphatically disagree with those who say "she should have". Whether she did tell him or not, it was nobody's business what she did that night - except hers and Vincent's. As JT said, she's not wearing a ring, therefore, Gabe had no expectation of exclusivity - or anything else. As he himself said, Cat had the right to change her mind. (The complicating factor was that Cat didn't know her mind) Both Cat and Tess have a little more casual attitude about sex than I would myself but that is the way the characters are written. (And I'm probably pretty old fashioned). It is important not to confuse honesty with exclusivity. So what would honesty require? If she had kept trying to make it work with Gabe and they had progressed to an exclusive relationship, then she would have to live by that or tell him when it was over. It might have been different if she had accepted Gabe's key - or even told him that she loved him - but I'm pretty sure neither happened. It was all future tense with Gabe and Catherine; they were always "trying to make it work". But frankly she did change her mind, right about the end of the masquerade party, and Gabe knew it. I don't like cheat, betrayal , triangles... but this time I agree with you! Catherine choised to be with Gabe with her mind not with her heart, she was discouraged from Vincent being an idiot (KK words) and exhausted after a longtime plagiarizing Gabe. |
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Post by katiebeast S3 <3 on Mar 17, 2014 5:21:58 GMT -5
The more I think about it, I emphatically disagree with those who say "she should have". Whether she did tell him or not, it was nobody's business what she did that night - except hers and Vincent's. As JT said, she's not wearing a ring, therefore, Gabe had no expectation of exclusivity - or anything else. As he himself said, Cat had the right to change her mind. (The complicating factor was that Cat didn't know her mind) Both Cat and Tess have a little more casual attitude about sex than I would myself but that is the way the characters are written. (And I'm probably pretty old fashioned). It is important not to confuse honesty with exclusivity. So what would honesty require? If she had kept trying to make it work with Gabe and they had progressed to an exclusive relationship, then she would have to live by that or tell him when it was over. It might have been different if she had accepted Gabe's key - or even told him that she loved him - but I'm pretty sure neither happened. It was all future tense with Gabe and Catherine; they were always "trying to make it work". But frankly she did change her mind, right about the end of the masquerade party, and Gabe knew it. Excellent points... |
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Post by ArwenFan on Mar 17, 2014 8:36:59 GMT -5
The more I think about it, I emphatically disagree with those who say "she should have". Whether she did tell him or not, it was nobody's business what she did that night - except hers and Vincent's. As JT said, she's not wearing a ring, therefore, Gabe had no expectation of exclusivity - or anything else. As he himself said, Cat had the right to change her mind. (The complicating factor was that Cat didn't know her mind) Both Cat and Tess have a little more casual attitude about sex than I would myself but that is the way the characters are written. (And I'm probably pretty old fashioned). It is important not to confuse honesty with exclusivity. So what would honesty require? If she had kept trying to make it work with Gabe and they had progressed to an exclusive relationship, then she would have to live by that or tell him when it was over. It might have been different if she had accepted Gabe's key - or even told him that she loved him - but I'm pretty sure neither happened. It was all future tense with Gabe and Catherine; they were always "trying to make it work". But frankly she did change her mind, right about the end of the masquerade party, and Gabe knew it. Yes, Gabe did grant her that right, but as usual he got nasty and told her she was wrong and naive when she did. |
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Mar 18, 2014 21:57:45 GMT -5
There was no indication in Catherine's behaviour that would lead us to believe she confessed to Gabe and like other posts have mentioned, she was not in an exclusive and committed relationship - she was not living with him as evidenced by the fact she did not have her own key to his place and by not accepting said key she was indicating her unwillingness to commit to the relationship. Also I was surprised that Gabe did not suspect something when he confronted her in the precinct about talking to Vincent. Sheesh it was pretty obvious something went down. Poor guy has delusions of grandeur, thinking he has something more and better than V has to offer, so much so that he couldn't see what was going on under his nose
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Post by ArwenFan on Mar 18, 2014 22:33:28 GMT -5
There was no indication in Catherine's behaviour that would lead us to believe she confessed to Gabe and like other posts have mentioned, she was not in an exclusive and committed relationship - she was not living with him as evidenced by the fact she did not have her own key to his place and by not accepting said key she was indicating her unwillingness to commit to the relationship. A lso I was surprised that Gabe did not suspect something when he confronted her in the precinct about talking to Vincent. Sheesh it was pretty obvious something went down. Poor guy has delusions of grandeur, thinking he has something more and better than V has to offer, so much so that he couldn't see what was going on under his nose Me, too. I thought for sure he was going to ask her if she spent the night with Vincent. I guess he really didn't want to know.  |
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Mar 18, 2014 22:52:35 GMT -5
That was the only time she actively challenged Gabe, though. The rest of the episode she just let him go on and on. Seriously, I can't believe the light didn't come on in Gabe's attic when he said, "she's with me," Vincent challenged that smug reply and Cat didn't support Gabe's claim. I loved "Pick a number". I think Gabe was gonna win that game either way... I think C had no idea how to get out of that confrontation about who to go to the ball with, without blowing her cover about last night. It was her way to save her face w/ both G & C. I agree that G would have never mentioned coming up if he had known that V&C had slept together the night before. He probably sensed something had happened from the energy that was surrounding them. But he probably thought they had just kissed. Maybe he pieced it together at the ball. But there was never a confession, so maybe he was hoping for the best. Swimming in the river DeNial can have quite the effect on you. I do give kudos to Vincent for not spilling the beans. But like others have mentioned he is a gentleman and would never betray a lady's Trust. From a strategic standpoint, it would have been a mistake for him to reveal it to Gabe because 1) G would have blown up & confronted C 2) C would have been mad @ V which would have ruined the reunion. So it was in V best interest to keep it secret and convince C that it meant more to her. He took the proper & strategic route, which is what I expect from V3.0 Whether or not she should have confessed would have been based upon what relationship she had with Gabe. In her mind they were always working it out, so therefore it seems as if an exclusivity clause was never placed on the relationship. If they were exclusive then she would have to confess. But it seemed that she was under the impression it was casual. She wasnt even sure she had cheated, which is indicator in my mind that the relationship w/ G was casual at least in her mind. Whether or not Gabe will see it that way is a whole other thing. Considering the fact that they are working on a revenge angle to me implies that G was far more committed to C than she ever intended to be. About the key, refusing G's key to me indicates that she was never really read to commit to him at this point. Which he should have recognized as a sign that his days were numbered. A key to him was far more than just a key. Which always leads me to wonder about the key V gave her to the warehouse. Was that in her mind a romantic gesture w/ commitment implications? I always assumed it was. I also believe she took it early in s1, before they had even kissed. But that gives some of the indication of how committed C was willing to be to V. More of their mutual level of commitment, love & respect. Gabe could barely get her to think about a key even after he swept her off to Mexico & stated of doing all these things for her. I think G always thought he had one up on V because C slept so easily with him, while it seemed to be a problem w/ V. If u remember when we first met G it was when he was in the womans locker room hearing C complain to Brooke about the lack of "getting freaky" to use B's expression. Maybe he thought he meant more to C than V, not realizing that for C sex is just sex. Love is a whole other ballgame. Its telling that she never needed to sleep w/ V to tell him she loved him and that he was her normal; but w/ Gabe she could barely muster a "I like you", I think he might have gotten I care for you. Which is a generic endearment at best. He was placed far out of the running despite her constant reminding that she was "with" him. If some1 is really with u they do not need to remind everybody, most of all continuously telling themselves. For being so smart, he seemed pretty dumb when it came to Catherine. But I do think she will regret not telling G, because I think the writers will use it as a way for G to really freak out. I think he will find out on his own, which will only infuriate him more. I do think that she was trying to spare him pain & misery, but in the end it probably would have been better for her to be honest with him, even if it wasnt owed to him. G will not seem her withholding of the truth as a empathetic act, he will see it as an attack or betrayal which will only fuel his darker tendencies. |
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Post by ArwenFan on Mar 18, 2014 23:28:47 GMT -5
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Vincent is a beast-gentleman and a true gentleman never tells anyone about what happened between him and his woman! He told JT: I am not giving you any details. 
