lili
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Post by lili on Mar 12, 2014 10:11:04 GMT -5
agreed...then again it does nto realy matter since we are the worst performing show lol so even if they were planning to do thi with one show how does that makes things better? the one thing that may be good i was thinking is the fact that they do not have a date yet... coudl that mean they are still experimenting and seeing how thigns work out? i mean if say TTP and the 100 do well they will burn us off in summer sometime evne airing many episodes together but, if the others do not do well or if one does horribly and the other does well, could it be they for example pair us with the one that does well hoping they give us more viewers and giving us a final chance? dunno, i think us not having a date yet is probably a good thing, our fate is not fully determined yet Yes, totally agree! lol! no changes in our current situation... But yes, the fact we don't have a date yet is some how encouraging because it looks like they are just waiting to see how other shows go and then decide about us. That's why I'm praying and making budu for other shows to fail (sorry sorry sorry!!! I promise that, if we get s3, and next year we are not threatened, I will support all other shows!! I promise!) Why not! With the CW, all is possible!!! Maybe we don't have a date for the end of the hiatus (you know that before BatB, I didnt know what this word means in english) because if one of this new show doesn't do well, they will put BatB earlier instead.. In French tv, that is the way they do!
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Mar 12, 2014 11:06:17 GMT -5
Nothing seems to have caught on for the CW on Monday nights. There is stiff competition in the US with The Voice and other shows. However, the CW hasn't tried to move it again this season. Having BATB episodes in reserve for the summer could actually be a boon for us, particularly if the CW actually gave BATB a shot with decent publicity and maybe do a mini catch-up by running the last couple of episodes as a rerun before starting the final new episodes. I know that there is now much more competition on television during the summer than there used to be, but main shows aren't running, and maybe more people would watch a regular show. There is always publicity for the shows on the chopping block that have a cult-like following, so people might want to see what the fuss is about, particularly if we win the Save Our Show AND if the other new CW shows fail. There would still then be a slot for BATB (although I could see CW doing something like sending the show to Friday nights to try to kill it that way). Are the Nielson ratings still as important to the network given online streaming, etc.?
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Mar 12, 2014 17:56:45 GMT -5
She was absolutely dead on. Its almost like she used some of our threads for research, she captured so much of what we have discussed. I still have faith in a S3 ~ maybe the CW will see the errors in some of its decisions. I think the night was the most serious offense that they could easily fix. I will say that I disliked a lot of the character manipulation and like the article said felt as if there was not a hero to root for at many parts in the season. And the triangles were to me executed. But moving forward, the biggest problem that the network has control over is getting a better date, promotion & lead in. I watch Hart of Dixie & there was a dramatic shift in storytelling this season, but even if it had kept with the original storytelling it was not a good match for BATB. To put it up against what is on Monday nights on network & cable was asking it to do a lot. Im just hoping the CW can see the beauty of the show & give it another timeslot to try & shine. The fact that our # of viewers jumps online & DVR to me indicates that it is not the show but the timeslot that is strangling the show. That being said the creative reboot, needs to be readjust but I think the writers started doing that already.
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Mar 12, 2014 18:16:05 GMT -5
Im rooting for the Mentalist too, although I think they cheated w/ Bots, I think they want their show too. We are a force to be reckoned w/ maybe they didnt think they had another option. Like Evan in S1, joining the big "M". Good intentions, bad decision. So let it stay & be renewed on CBS. I still want to win SOS on EOnline though. Im more concerned about TTP & HOD being on the list since they are direct competition on the same network. I love HOD & would love to see it renewed ALONG with BATB. Im not as impressed with TTP which I also watch. It could stay or go, I dont think its bad - I just dont think its special. I feel like a show needs to be special to warrant a renewal with the #s that TTP put up. I feel that HOD & BATB are special & unique and transport audiences to a fabulous worlds and amazing characters. I want to be part of those shows & that is the difference between BATB & TTP. And that critical difference is why BATB should be renewed over TTP.
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Mar 12, 2014 18:31:52 GMT -5
Oh doctor appointment? I hope it's nothing serious I love your logical reasoning Reyna. I really hope they take all the factors, including an International fan base and also online streaming, into account. Thanks for the positive words Unfortunately yes, I will PM you.
I was never one to give up. Always have faith and hope. Sorry you had a horrible day... Sending all my best to you & your family... Illness is can be so hard. But like you say you're never one to give up. It seems like being a fighter may come in handy. Gotta have faith & hope, sometimes its all we can have.
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Mar 12, 2014 19:20:35 GMT -5
Nothing seems to have caught on for the CW on Monday nights. There is stiff competition in the US with The Voice and other shows. However, the CW hasn't tried to move it again this season. Having BATB episodes in reserve for the summer could actually be a boon for us, particularly if the CW actually gave BATB a shot with decent publicity and maybe do a mini catch-up by running the last couple of episodes as a rerun before starting the final new episodes. I know that there is now much more competition on television during the summer than there used to be, but main shows aren't running, and maybe more people would watch a regular show. There is always publicity for the shows on the chopping block that have a cult-like following, so people might want to see what the fuss is about, particularly if we win the Save Our Show AND if the other new CW shows fail. There would still then be a slot for BATB (although I could see CW doing something like sending the show to Friday nights to try to kill it that way). Are the Nielson ratings still as important to the network given online streaming, etc.? Friday nights may not be a bad thing for BATB. Im ducking now So the CW uses Fri to promote some of their new shows. For example there are sometimes delayed starts to series to allow them to reair other shows (reign & maybe TTP got reairings this year). Americas Next Top Model also starts in the summer & ends early in the season to allow that slot to be used for reairings as well. So its not a traditional slot. Nikita filled & survived in the Fri slots for 3.5 years. Carrie Diaries was also put there, not quite sure that was a good decision for that show. When I was 18-20ish I was busy on Fri nights & not watching TV most of the time, so a show like TCD is not a good match for Fri. But BATB is different & does not do well when it caters to the teenage audience. So it might be a good choice for Fri night. It would not face as strong competition from the other networks & cable. People just want good TV, that is why the DVR is probably so high. If it moved to Fri perhaps more people would watch it live. More live viewings = more advertising $$. It might be a strategic way for the CW to save BATB. Although they would have to up their promotion. I believe even Supernatural used to be on Fri nights & its in it 10th season & getting a spin-off. So its not certain failure for a show if it moves there, despite being known as the graveyard of TV. If the other networks do not put good shows on Fri, then perhaps BATB could thrive in the absence of the crazy competition that is on Mon night. I enjoy Arrow, but it definitely benefits from its timeslot as does most shows. Shows have to be strong enough to either compete against other strong contenders in their time slot or draw people into that time slot. As much as I love BATB being on the CW it is not strong enough to compete against shows like the Bachelor, Voice, DWTS or the CBS comedies. But it does have enough appeal to draw people in on a night when there is not much to offer. I got drawn in because 1) it looked good but primarily because it was offered during a timeslot that did not compete with other shows I wanted to watch in S1. The other stuff on 9p on Thurs was just stuff I had already seen or had given up on. Then I got hooked. I would follow the show anywhere at this point. We need other people to have that experience. So maybe that is the CW masterplan w/ the hiatus. They're gonna see how their other shows do & then roll out BATB to an audience hungry for something new & special. I will say that they although they only have 10 timeslots. In recent years they have renewed more shows & had 1/2 seasons of some of them. That may be part of their master plan. They might also be looking to other networks to see what they renew or cancel. It might change their perspective on where they can put BATB. Im on the fence about the hiatus being a good thing or not. My overactive mind fluctuates on the possibilities. But I do think that if they planned on burning out BATB, we wouldnt be seeing them filming new episodes. That to me is a good sign, that they might just have no idea what they want to do with it. Which means the fight for S3 is not futile. Like they have said publicly they are waiting before they make any decisions & are happy with it creatively. All we can do is hope ... And hope the other shows do not take off. I'm not hoping for failure, just hoping they don't eclipse BATB.
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Post by Reyna on Mar 13, 2014 17:00:40 GMT -5
Unfortunately yes, I will PM you.
I was never one to give up. Always have faith and hope. Sorry you had a horrible day... Sending all my best to you & your family... Illness is can be so hard. But like you say you're never one to give up. It seems like being a fighter may come in handy. Gotta have faith & hope, sometimes its all we can have. Thank you eyeofthetiger, as I told Laura in a PM, definitely a gradual, frustrating, and irritating process for me right now, yet, there is always a light at the end of the tunnel and things will begin looking up for me eventually, just have to stay optimistic and confident.
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Post by katiebeast S3 <3 on Mar 14, 2014 3:43:51 GMT -5
Sorry you had a horrible day... Sending all my best to you & your family... Illness is can be so hard. But like you say you're never one to give up. It seems like being a fighter may come in handy. Gotta have faith & hope, sometimes its all we can have. Thank you eyeofthetiger, as I told Laura in a PM, definitely a gradual, frustrating, and irritating process for me right now, yet, there is always a light at the end of the tunnel and things will begin looking up for me eventually, just have to stay optimistic and confident. I don't know what's going on, but anyway.
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Post by Reyna on Mar 14, 2014 19:17:18 GMT -5
Thank you eyeofthetiger, as I told Laura in a PM, definitely a gradual, frustrating, and irritating process for me right now, yet, there is always a light at the end of the tunnel and things will begin looking up for me eventually, just have to stay optimistic and confident. I don't know what's going on, but anyway. Sorry, I liked your post earlier, yet kept getting distracted. Thank you so much Katie.
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Post by Reyna on Mar 16, 2014 17:49:53 GMT -5
Very fair and truthful article if you ask me. The Curse of Loving TV Shows with Low Ratings
"There are a lot of reasons why critics say that Beauty and the Beast is failing during its second season. We’ve got the infamous “sophomore slump” – the idea that shows go through a problem period during their second season (even Lost had some problems during season 2). We’ve got the idea that viewers just stopped watching when Vincent wasn’t the same character he was last season. We’ve got the idea that the writers haven’t had a clear storyline or direction this season. And finally, we’ve got the timeslot. The “sophomore slump” is a real thing. Like I said, the second season of Lost was iffy for me, and I was completely obsessed with the show. I think people also did stop watching when the show wasn’t going exactly how they wanted it to (“fair weather fans” like in sports). I don’t think the directionless storyline theory really carries any weight. I can see a very clear direction the writers were taking this season. They’ve stayed true to the “Who Am I?” theme they set out for. The “fair weather fans” are going to exist with any show. I’m sure there were people who stopped watching Friends when Ross & Rachel broke up (the first time in season 3). I’m sure there were people who stopped watching Dawson’s Creek when Joey & Pacey got together (I hated that storyline, but kept watching anyway). But with this show, I have to wonder at the fans who stopped watching simply because Vincent and Catherine weren’t the couple they were in season 1. Did they think it was going to be all sunshine and roses on a dramatic television show? I mean really, we all know that couples cannot be happy for too long TV. I’ve got to say, if Cat & Vincent had just been all perfect and happy from the beginning in season 2, I would have been bored. There would have been little to root for, little reason to watch. Because, let’s face it, the show is called Beauty and the Beast, for crying out loud. They’d end up together eventually." You can read the entire article here: shannon101785.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/the-curse-of-loving-tv-shows-with-low-ratings/comment-page-1/#comment-10
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Post by kleighkat on Mar 16, 2014 18:55:34 GMT -5
Very fair and truthful article if you ask me. The Curse of Loving TV Shows with Low Ratings
"There are a lot of reasons why critics say that Beauty and the Beast is failing during its second season. We’ve got the infamous “sophomore slump” – the idea that shows go through a problem period during their second season (even Lost had some problems during season 2). We’ve got the idea that viewers just stopped watching when Vincent wasn’t the same character he was last season. We’ve got the idea that the writers haven’t had a clear storyline or direction this season. And finally, we’ve got the timeslot. The “sophomore slump” is a real thing. Like I said, the second season of Lost was iffy for me, and I was completely obsessed with the show. I think people also did stop watching when the show wasn’t going exactly how they wanted it to (“fair weather fans” like in sports). I don’t think the directionless storyline theory really carries any weight. I can see a very clear direction the writers were taking this season. They’ve stayed true to the “Who Am I?” theme they set out for. The “fair weather fans” are going to exist with any show. I’m sure there were people who stopped watching Friends when Ross & Rachel broke up (the first time in season 3). I’m sure there were people who stopped watching Dawson’s Creek when Joey & Pacey got together (I hated that storyline, but kept watching anyway). But with this show, I have to wonder at the fans who stopped watching simply because Vincent and Catherine weren’t the couple they were in season 1. Did they think it was going to be all sunshine and roses on a dramatic television show? I mean really, we all know that couples cannot be happy for too long TV. I’ve got to say, if Cat & Vincent had just been all perfect and happy from the beginning in season 2, I would have been bored. There would have been little to root for, little reason to watch. Because, let’s face it, the show is called Beauty and the Beast, for crying out loud. They’d end up together eventually." You can read the entire article here: shannon101785.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/the-curse-of-loving-tv-shows-with-low-ratings/comment-page-1/#comment-10 I agree with you. This was a great article and it raised valid points. I liked how they were questioning why BATB was paired with HOD and Star Crossed this season.
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Post by Bill the beast on Mar 16, 2014 22:05:59 GMT -5
But I do think that if they planned on burning out BATB, we wouldn't be seeing them filming new episodes. I think that cannot be so. Surely it is a matter of contract to complete the episodes the network initially ordered. That would be done even if we already knew this was the last season.
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Mar 17, 2014 3:15:51 GMT -5
But I do think that if they planned on burning out BATB, we wouldn't be seeing them filming new episodes. I think that cannot be so. Surely it is a matter of contract to complete the episodes the network initially ordered. That would be done even if we already knew this was the last season. Guess it would probably depend on how the contracts were written. When NBC cancelled Sean Saves the World according to the media outlets, they just shut production down the same week... Its not unheard or or unusual for a network to stop production when they are done with the show. But I guess all possibilities are still on the table... Im ALL in for S3, let's hope the CW is.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Mar 17, 2014 3:25:03 GMT -5
I think that cannot be so. Surely it is a matter of contract to complete the episodes the network initially ordered. That would be done even if we already knew this was the last season. Guess it would probably depend on how the contracts were written. When NBC cancelled Sean Saves the World according to the media outlets, they just shut production down the same week... Its not unheard or or unusual for a network to stop production when they are done with the show. But I guess all possibilities are still on the table... Im ALL in for S3, let's hope the CW is. From what I heard about their contracts when they signed on the networks signed them up to a 3 year deal (if needed) WHEN we get the third season and if there is a FORTH they will negotiate and write out new contracts.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Mar 17, 2014 5:22:55 GMT -5
Guess it would probably depend on how the contracts were written. When NBC cancelled Sean Saves the World according to the media outlets, they just shut production down the same week... Its not unheard or or unusual for a network to stop production when they are done with the show. But I guess all possibilities are still on the table... Im ALL in for S3, let's hope the CW is. From what I heard about their contracts when they signed on the networks signed them up to a 3 year deal (if needed) WHEN we get the third season and if there is a FORTH they will negotiate and write out new contracts. I've been wondering... If we get a 3rd season, we are much closer to syndication numbers so our chances for a renewal would be higher right?? I remember last year they were saying HOD probably would renew because they were close to sindication numbers... maybe I'm wrong? Look at me... we don't even know if we will renew for a 3rd season and I'm already thinking about a 4th!!!! lol!!!
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