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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 21:01:44 GMT -5
Everyone is going by the 215 promo but I've said it in another thread. .everything isn't what it seems. There's a whole plot and story to be told..A few flash scenes out of order doesn't make the story. . Besides even if it's a kiss at the end between VinCat it will be full of want, passion and love...that's what it will make the scene. .Also it will fade to black and leaves us guessing. So true. A real "non-Grandma" kiss full of love preceded by a heartfelt apology would make it for me.
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Feb 18, 2014 21:05:44 GMT -5
Everyone is going by the 215 promo but I've said it in another thread. .everything isn't what it seems. There's a whole plot and story to be told..A few flash scenes out of order doesn't make the story. . Besides even if it's a kiss at the end between VinCat it will be full of want, passion and love...that's what it will make the scene. .Also it will fade to black and leaves us guessing. So true. A real "non-Grandma" kiss full of love preceded by a heartfelt apology would make it for me. I'd accept that!
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Post by airam702 on Feb 18, 2014 21:37:49 GMT -5
Brad Kern. They did a deal in the beginning of S2. Vincent agred to be a total jerk with the love of his life in exchange for supplies. ROFLMAO!!!! Hahaha...too funny! I thought JT helps with the bills or pay all the bills? Houseboat etc...maybe Tess can chip in now...I'm kidding, these days you gotta laugh sometimes.
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Feb 19, 2014 1:33:51 GMT -5
I have no confirmation as to whether Gabe is good or bad.... I'm not even sure which one I want him to be. But he behavior has raised some red flags in the last few episodes. The trip to Mexico was so conveniently booked, Sam and Gabe just happened to be linked via the orphanage, Gabe knew exactly how to outsmart the con. What I don't understand is why did Gabe even need to pretend to be dead? They never convicted him or anything, so how did that convince Sam that they just gave up looking for the guy because he "died" in an explosion he wasnt even supposed to know about? How did they even explain that everyone survived except Gabe & Dana. What story did they give as to why Dana & Gabe were just hanging out at the altar waiting to be blown to smitterins? This is only the beginning of the moments I have around some of Gabe's behavior. I will say that there is a part of me that does want him to have redeemed himself and become a changed man. It would be nice to think that there is an opportunity for all people to become better. But I just think that I may be leaning more towards the Bad Gabe Ship... All aboard my bad gabe speculation below: I have often thought that Catherine attraction to Gabe is more than just convenience. IMO, it may be a modern version/retelling of Stockholm syndrome. Per wikipedia "Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndromeI believe this may explain some of her behavior towards the end of this season. We all know that Gabe physically held her hostage, which was rather traumatic, but I think in many ways he also emotionally held her captive. He seemed to forcibly make himself an integral part of Catherine's life from the moment he barged into the women's locker room. He seemed very sly in his manipulation and attempts to control Catherine. But its there in little bits and pieces since S1, that may just build up to a bigger "WHOA" than just the kidnapping. In many ways, I think this is why Catherine now defers so easily to what Gabe wants or suggests. He has emotional conditioned her to believing that he provides safety and salvation. He is the answer to her problems because only he can provide her with everything she needs. It was crafty the way he did but I think he might have used his position and her vulnerability to achieve his goals. Catherine unknowingly has become trapped in his emotional juggernaut. Of course, after months of dealing with V's literal betrayal, C began to see Gabe as a more viable option. He somehow twisted their hostage scenario into somehow being the key to fixing the beast problem and using that connection to prove how much he has changed and become better because of her. This could be part of the syndrome, because as they spend time together the captors and the hostages begin to have positive feelings towards each other, but negative feelings towards authority figures. Years later many victims of Stockholm syndrome will remember their captor as a "good guy". It just seems fishy to me that the more time Catherine spends with the Gabe, the more she sees him as all knowing and begins to act less and less like a detective. She also is now facing heat from the new "authority" figure at the precinct because her behavior falls so below the expectation of a detective. Gabe in some ways helped set her up to face problems w/ the new chief by 1) leaving the job & 2) not setting up a good explanation for her lack of casework. If he really did not want her to get in trouble, he wouldn't have set up a scenario that would essentially just set her up fail, thereby forcing her to turn to him to help fix the problem. Again its just suspicious. I do not know if I am the first to think this, I have read many of the threads but not all of them so I do not want to take full credit for this theory if other people have thought it too. Perhaps we can all share the credit for trying to discover more about the show we love. I just love trying to understand the deeper meanings of the characters and their behavior on the show. What can I say I have a psych degree, its just in my nature to analyze and try to explain.... On the other hand, Gabe could really be good and did/does all of it because he truly cares for Catherine. But again, as other people mentioned if you love someone you would want them to be happy and that doesn't always mean exactly how you have envisioned it in your head. He claimed at the beginning of the season he wanted to help V & C find happiness by finding a way to fix beast. But as soon as it seemed there was a little room for him to make his move d/t V's amnesia & personality changes, he jumped right in & began to make his moves. I just dont think that is in the spirit of truly caring/loving someone. He could have tried to help Catherine overcome losing V and finding herself before moving in for the kill (pardon the expression). Evan eventually realized it and sacrificed himself to save her, Tori & Alex likewise made their moves/pleas but backed off and admitted their error when faced with the reality. It seems that Gabe has yet to catch on that he might not be the best/only option if he truly cares about Catherine. That ultimatum seemed a little stern and sudden considering they just started dating. In the words of Kahlil Gibran “If you love somebody, let them go, for if they return, they were always yours. If they don't, they never were.” I'm beginning to think that Vincent understands this concept because he understands love, where Gabe may not quite understand it because he only seems to understand control & power. I do not think I'm not fully ready to board the Bad Gabe ship, but I think I might be very close to buying a one-way ticket aboard. I do however proudly sail on the Gabe is Bad for Cat ship... I guess we have 2 episodes to figure out exactly how it all plays out... Anchors Away
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Post by ForgetMeNot => S3 4BATBeasties on Feb 19, 2014 1:59:42 GMT -5
I have no confirmation as to whether Gabe is good or bad.... I'm not even sure which one I want him to be. But he behavior has raised some red flags in the last few episodes. The trip to Mexico was so conveniently booked, Sam and Gabe just happened to be linked via the orphanage, Gabe knew exactly how to outsmart the con. What I don't understand is why did Gabe even need to pretend to be dead? They never convicted him or anything, so how did that convince Sam that they just gave up looking for the guy because he "died" in an explosion he wasnt even supposed to know about? How did they even explain that everyone survived except Gabe & Dana. What story did they give as to why Dana & Gabe were just hanging out at the altar waiting to be blown to smitterins? This is only the beginning of the moments I have around some of Gabe's behavior. I will say that there is a part of me that does want him to have redeemed himself and become a changed man. It would be nice to think that there is an opportunity for all people to become better. But I just think that I may be leaning more towards the Bad Gabe Ship... All aboard my bad gabe speculation below: I have often thought that Catherine attraction to Gabe is more than just convenience. IMO, it may be a modern version/retelling of Stockholm syndrome. Per wikipedia "Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of traumatic bonding" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndromeI believe this may explain some of her behavior towards the end of this season. We all know that Gabe physically held her hostage, which was rather traumatic, but I think in many ways he also emotionally held her captive. He seemed to forcibly make himself an integral part of Catherine's life from the moment he barged into the women's locker room. He seemed very sly in his manipulation and attempts to control Catherine. But its there in little bits and pieces since S1, that may just build up to a bigger "WHOA" than just the kidnapping. In many ways, I think this is why Catherine now defers so easily to what Gabe wants or suggests. He has emotional conditioned her to believing that he provides safety and salvation. He is the answer to her problems because only he can provide her with everything she needs. It was crafty the way he did but I think he might have used his position and her vulnerability to achieve his goals. Catherine unknowingly has become trapped in his emotional juggernaut. Of course, after months of dealing with V's literal betrayal, C began to see Gabe as a more viable option. He somehow twisted their hostage scenario into somehow being the key to fixing the beast problem and using that connection to prove how much he has changed and become better because of her. This could be part of the syndrome, because as they spend time together the captors and the hostages begin to have positive feelings towards each other, but negative feelings towards authority figures. Years later many victims of Stockholm syndrome will remember their captor as a "good guy". It just seems fishy to me that the more time Catherine spends with the Gabe, the more she sees him as all knowing and begins to act less and less like a detective. She also is now facing heat from the new "authority" figure at the precinct because her behavior falls so below the expectation of a detective. Gabe in some ways helped set her up to face problems w/ the new chief by 1) leaving the job & 2) not setting up a good explanation for her lack of casework. If he really did not want her to get in trouble, he wouldn't have set up a scenario that would essentially just set her up fail, thereby forcing her to turn to him to help fix the problem. Again its just suspicious. I do not know if I am the first to think this, I have read many of the threads but not all of them so I do not want to take full credit for this theory if other people have thought it too. Perhaps we can all share the credit for trying to discover more about the show we love. I just love trying to understand the deeper meanings of the characters and their behavior on the show. What can I say I have a psych degree, its just in my nature to analyze and try to explain.... On the other hand, Gabe could really be good and did/does all of it because he truly cares for Catherine. But again, as other people mentioned if you love someone you would want them to be happy and that doesn't always mean exactly how you have envisioned it in your head. He claimed at the beginning of the season he wanted to help V & C find happiness by finding a way to fix beast. But as soon as it seemed there was a little room for him to make his move d/t V's amnesia & personality changes, he jumped right in & began to make his moves. I just dont think that is in the spirit of truly caring/loving someone. He could have tried to help Catherine overcome losing V and finding herself before moving in for the kill (pardon the expression). Evan eventually realized it and sacrificed himself to save her, Tori & Alex likewise made their moves/pleas but backed off and admitted their error when faced with the reality. It seems that Gabe has yet to catch on that he might not be the best/only option if he truly cares about Catherine. That ultimatum seemed a little stern and sudden considering they just started dating. In the words of Kahlil Gibran “If you love somebody, let them go, for if they return, they were always yours. If they don't, they never were.” I'm beginning to think that Vincent understands this concept because he understands love, where Gabe may not quite understand it because he only seems to understand control & power. I do not think I'm not fully ready to board the Bad Gabe ship, but I think I might be very close to buying a one-way ticket aboard. I do however proudly sail on the Gabe is Bad for Cat ship... I guess we have 2 episodes to figure out exactly how it all plays out... Anchors Away Your way to explain Catherine and Gabe's potential connection is beyond awsome! This was really interesting to read! Thanks for sharing, loved it!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 19, 2014 2:17:59 GMT -5
Negativity doesn't bother me..it's a darn TV show we're talking about here...But I will say many here are wrong about the direction and shift in the relationship...I believe Gaberine will be done...it never had a start to begin with.. Catherine's decision in being with Gabe was to abide by what she believes in...She's thinking with her mind and not following her heart.. I'll quote Catherine herself.."The thing is, you know. You can't control your heart.The darn thing does just what it wants." Once she realizes and let's her heart follow what it wants she'll realize who her heart and she wants. I truly believe this is how it will happen and folks even if they aren't a total item by end of 15 they will be by 16. Sorry Yolie we are not attacking you. I know VinCat will be together by end of 2:15 in some way or other and for real and probably decisively in 2:16 as you mentioned before and tweets from crew hinted. I think us beasties just wanted to see some mambo loving before the looongggg hiatus. And we love that you are our font and oracle of BatB knowledge as stressful as it may seem sometimes for you. We do appreciate it. No apology needed... Now as for why my gut tells me they will be TOGETHER by 16.. 1. When Catherine is with Tess talking about Vincent she's at her apartment/ If you recall she's been staying at Gabe's apartment a lot. 2. Vincent whether he's dressing for the party or taking his clothes off is at HER apartment WITH HER. Now if he's saving her or whatever it's at her place and NOT Gabe's 3. If Catherine wasn't going with Vincent to that gala/mask ball thingy and was going with Gabe...why would Vincent be at her apartment? All these little clues tell me that HER and Gabe are no longer together.. Now let's say that she needs time to solve her issues but is with neither one and is willing to give Vincent a chance..It would explain a lot and why Gabe is still around. If you recall, Sherri and Jennifer are the writers of 217 and on twitter they asked about ideas for romantic sex LOL ..Which I replied to her tweet with a SHOWER scene LOL
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Post by lili on Feb 19, 2014 2:34:57 GMT -5
Sorry Yolie we are not attacking you. I know VinCat will be together by end of 2:15 in some way or other and for real and probably decisively in 2:16 as you mentioned before and tweets from crew hinted. I think us beasties just wanted to see some mambo loving before the looongggg hiatus. And we love that you are our font and oracle of BatB knowledge as stressful as it may seem sometimes for you. We do appreciate it. No apology needed... Now as for why my gut tells me they will be TOGETHER by 16.. 1. When Catherine is with Tess talking about Vincent she's at her apartment/ If you recall she's been staying at Gabe's apartment a lot. 2. Vincent whether he's dressing for the party or taking his clothes off is at HER apartment WITH HER. Now if he's saving her or whatever it's at her place and NOT Gabe's 3. If Catherine wasn't going with Vincent to that gala/mask ball thingy and was going with Gabe...why would Vincent be at her apartment? All these little clues tell me that HER and Gabe are no longer together.. Now let's say that she needs time to solve her issues but is with neither one and is willing to give Vincent a chance..It would explain a lot and why Gabe is still around. If you recall, Sherri and Jennifer are the writers of 217 and on twitter they asked about ideas for romantic sex LOL ..Which I replied to her tweet with a SHOWER scene LOL Yes I think you're right!! Very important clues!
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Post by lili on Feb 19, 2014 2:40:26 GMT -5
I have 2 questions in my mind after watching for the third time 2x14! 1) Do you always think Gabe is the big bad? I was sure of that last week and now, I don't know.. What do you think? Same here. Sometimes I am positive, sometimes I think he is just a good redeemed guy. I made a whole theory after watching 2x13 for three or four times, now I am lost again after watching 2x14 for four times. The only thing I would dare to say for sure is that there is some deal with bio dad.2) Sam want to revenge his son death. Ok! But who is guilty? We don't know yet or did I miss something? I don't know either! Maybe I missed something, because there are details I do not catch until I see it for the fourth time (like Reynolds mentioning the grand aunt, or Gabe on the phone saying that Sam knew he was in the orphanage and that is why he framed him). Sometimes the story goes so fast!!!!Exactly what I m feeling! I will be disapointed if he's not the big dad! Clearly! I didn't heard the grand aunt too the first time I see the episode, I heard last night! This story about Vincent killing Cat or Cat killing Vincent, is it the truth (cliffhanger???) or just a way for bio dad to question Cat?
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Post by MyBatB on Feb 19, 2014 3:54:16 GMT -5
Everyone is going by the 215 promo but I've said it in another thread. .everything isn't what it seems. There's a whole plot and story to be told..A few flash scenes out of order doesn't make the story. . Besides even if it's a kiss at the end between VinCat it will be full of want, passion and love...that's what it will make the scene. .Also it will fade to black and leaves us guessing. Yolie, are you the ghostwriter behind the authors ? I think you are !
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 19, 2014 5:53:44 GMT -5
Everyone is going by the 215 promo but I've said it in another thread. .everything isn't what it seems. There's a whole plot and story to be told..A few flash scenes out of order doesn't make the story. . Besides even if it's a kiss at the end between VinCat it will be full of want, passion and love...that's what it will make the scene. .Also it will fade to black and leaves us guessing. Yolie, are you the ghostwriter behind the authors ? I think you are ! oh you'll know if it were me writing these episodes lol...my episodes would belong on HBO lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 7:20:49 GMT -5
Yolie, are you the ghostwriter behind the authors ? I think you are ! oh you'll know if it were me writing these episodes lol...my episodes would belong on HBO lol and airing at 2 AM in the US.......
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Post by MyBatB on Feb 19, 2014 7:23:14 GMT -5
oh you'll know if it were me writing these episodes lol...my episodes would belong on HBO lol and airing at 2 AM in the US....... thank you so much for the huge laughter !
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Post by bookworm on Feb 19, 2014 7:28:28 GMT -5
oh you'll know if it were me writing these episodes lol...my episodes would belong on HBO lol and airing at 2 AM in the US....... I WOULD stay awake.... to watch it
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 19, 2014 7:30:21 GMT -5
and airing at 2 AM in the US....... I WOULD stay awake.... to watch it LOL My imagination and storytelling is endless. .BTW back in the day I used to write fanfics and it wasn't G rated lol
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Post by Ilaria on Feb 19, 2014 9:20:15 GMT -5
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