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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 9:11:13 GMT -5
If the importance of the two pairings is ZERO (which it is) why have the pairings? When I think about it all I can say is : Je suis malade! So.....I am choosing to put that out of my mind and focus on the good stuff; yet, I am not convinced I will feel the magic, I am doing all I can to remain open minded. Let's see what happens! lol! I was referring to the importance of these couples have for moi ! btw, come on! do not lose hope, magic is there! I'm not feeling it yet, nanita....but I haven't lost hope. Thanks, chica!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 9:12:40 GMT -5
That would be acceptable, but I don't think the writers are capable of showing such a delicate conflict. If you think about it, there was no conflict in Vincent towards Tori. The only thing they did was put JT saying that he should put his feeling for Catherine behind to be with Tori and putting Vincent hesitating when she pressed him on the bathrobe scene. That scene was key for me, but a lot of beasties aren't satisfied with it and I admit that it was indeed too little and too rushed. In fact, I think it only happened because they had to change their plan. So, if Cat gets awkward with Gabe after sex, I don't trust the writers to show us that she feels like this because she's not connected with him in a deep level. They made a point to close their past's issue in 212 and I think that would be it. A lot of things in this season were finished with a simple sentence and that's not different. I'm afraid that, if they put Cat reconsidering Gabe because of sex, it would seem weak and shallow. Tarnishing Cat's character once more. Ok. We speculate a lot about that and I think because a lack of showing us that Vincent and Tori were really in a relationship. By showing all these little things that make a couple, there's no tenders moments, no kisses (yeah yeah I know !.... but we didn't see them) AND this disrupts -IMO- all the opinions we could have. It is for me. Suspecting sex doesn't mean there are. It happens in real life ! Yes i know. I'm very naive, my children keep repeating that ! But I'm with you that the plans had to be changed and it is disturbing in the seeing. Sorry to burst your bubble, but what part of Vincent getting out of the bed Tori was in, both of them naked (because they were, the bathrobes existed because they can't put it on screen because it's not a rated show) in the same ambiance and Tori saying to his face that they were in a sort of relationship and that she wanted him to give on Cat to be with her is not clear?
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Post by lili on Feb 16, 2014 9:45:43 GMT -5
If the importance of the two pairings is ZERO (which it is) why have the pairings? When I think about it all I can say is : Je suis malade! So.....I am choosing to put that out of my mind and focus on the good stuff; yet, I am not convinced I will feel the magic, I am doing all I can to remain open minded. Let's see what happens! if we dont feel the magic in 15 and 16 we will never feel it lol so u wont have to wait long to find out Right!!! That's why I think we have to enjoy these episodes because after it's the hiatus ( no....)
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Post by kleighkat on Feb 16, 2014 9:49:53 GMT -5
Ok. We speculate a lot about that and I think because a lack of showing us that Vincent and Tori were really in a relationship. By showing all these little things that make a couple, there's no tenders moments, no kisses (yeah yeah I know !.... but we didn't see them) AND this disrupts -IMO- all the opinions we could have. It is for me. Suspecting sex doesn't mean there are. It happens in real life ! Yes i know. I'm very naive, my children keep repeating that ! But I'm with you that the plans had to be changed and it is disturbing in the seeing. Sorry to burst your bubble, but what part of Vincent getting out of the bed Tori was in, both of them naked (because they were, the bathrobes existed because they can't put it on screen because it's not a rated show) in the same ambiance and Tori saying to his face that they were in a sort of relationship and that she wanted him to give on Cat to be with her is not clear? IMO just because Tori told Vincent that they were in some sort of a relationship, doesn't mean that it was a sexual relationship. And just because they were both in bathrobes, doesn't mean they had sex either. Many people put on their bathrobe when they get out of bed. I know I do at times.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 10:52:07 GMT -5
Sorry to burst your bubble, but what part of Vincent getting out of the bed Tori was in, both of them naked (because they were, the bathrobes existed because they can't put it on screen because it's not a rated show) in the same ambiance and Tori saying to his face that they were in a sort of relationship and that she wanted him to give on Cat to be with her is not clear? IMO just because Tori told Vincent that they were in some sort of a relationship, doesn't mean that it was a sexual relationship. And just because they were both in bathrobes, doesn't mean they had sex either. Many people put on their bathrobe when they get out of bed. I know I do at times. So Vincent and Tori weren't having sex. Is that what you're saying? Because I'm pretty sure a person doesn't break up with another person if there's absolutely no relationship going on. And I'm pretty sure Vincent broke up with Tori. And I'm pretty sure the writers made very clear that Vincent and Tori were having sex. Tori said it to Cat's face on the precinct. It was only edited out because the show runners didn't want to screw up their ratings even more.
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Post by Ilaria on Feb 16, 2014 11:09:33 GMT -5
Do you remember the picture where see the stunt of Cat sitting on the bed next to her is a guy we do not know who he is, but is dressed all in black ......... seeing the pictures of this episode, I noticed that during the funeral Vincent has his shirt and pants blacks could be him‼ Maybe after the funeral C and V while investigating the disappearance of friends G.....I do not know, maybe they are discovered and drugged
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Post by kleighkat on Feb 16, 2014 11:17:15 GMT -5
IMO just because Tori told Vincent that they were in some sort of a relationship, doesn't mean that it was a sexual relationship. And just because they were both in bathrobes, doesn't mean they had sex either. Many people put on their bathrobe when they get out of bed. I know I do at times. So Vincent and Tori weren't having sex. Is that what you're saying? Because I'm pretty sure a person doesn't break up with another person if there's absolutely no relationship going on. And I'm pretty sure Vincent broke up with Tori. And I'm pretty sure the writers made very clear that Vincent and Tori were having sex. Tori said it to Cat's face on the precinct. It was only edited out because the show runners didn't want to screw up their ratings even more. Actually, Tori never came out and said that they were having sex to Catherine. She told her that the connection they had was primal. So no, I don't think that they were. It's all just been speculation to me. Were they in a relationship? It's possible. But that still doesn't mean that they were sleeping together because to me, V was not that interested in T anyway.
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Post by kleighkat on Feb 16, 2014 11:19:40 GMT -5
Do you remember the picture where see the stunt of Cat sitting on the bed next to her is a guy we do not know who he is, but is dressed all in black ......... seeing the pictures of this episode, I noticed that during the funeral Vincent has his shirt and pants blacks could be him‼ Maybe after the funeral C and V while investigating the disappearance of friends G.....I do not know, maybe they are discovered and drugged That was my immediate thought when I seen that picture as well because the hand doesn't look like Gabe's at all, it's lighter.
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Post by lili on Feb 16, 2014 11:20:11 GMT -5
Do you remember the picture where see the stunt of Cat sitting on the bed next to her is a guy we do not know who he is, but is dressed all in black ......... seeing the pictures of this episode, I noticed that during the funeral Vincent has his shirt and pants blacks could be him‼ Maybe after the funeral C and V while investigating the disappearance of friends G.....I do not know, maybe they are discovered and drugged Vincent is in black in the sneak peak too!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 11:22:20 GMT -5
Do you remember the picture where see the stunt of Cat sitting on the bed next to her is a guy we do not know who he is, but is dressed all in black ......... seeing the pictures of this episode, I noticed that during the funeral Vincent has his shirt and pants blacks could be him‼ Maybe after the funeral C and V while investigating the disappearance of friends G.....I do not know, maybe they are discovered and drugged That was my immediate thought when I seen that picture as well because the hand doesn't look like Gabe's at all, it's lighter. . Interesting theory, ladies!!! Maybe I won't have to vomit and brush my teeth during the commercial break.
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Post by bella on Feb 16, 2014 11:24:24 GMT -5
Not sure why but really have a feeling there will be a big step towards vincat reunion in this ep, possibly not a kiss or anything but I feel a lot will come out even possibly vincent throwing his hat in the ring in relation to winning cat back. I also think that cold turkey will is possibly more linked to cat than vincent, have no real reason for thinking that only from the sneak peek and how cool and distant she was.
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Post by Ilaria on Feb 16, 2014 11:26:51 GMT -5
That was my immediate thought when I seen that picture as well because the hand doesn't look like Gabe's at all, it's lighter. . Interesting theory, ladies!!! Maybe I won't have to vomit and brush my teeth during the commercial break.
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Feb 16, 2014 13:17:52 GMT -5
I know we are all over Catherine about possible Gaberine sex and it may seem like we are hard on her but I wonder if it is because we are talking from a woman's perspective. I mean I was brought up very strict and sex was equated with love and casual sex was disrespectful to you as a woman. I feel that by going the Gaberine route the writers are bringing Catherine's moral integrity down and also we were told that the writers that they wanted C to be a good role model for young girls. But I guess that was season 1 and now the new show runners are male so the original premise has changed. By the way, I also feel the same way about the V/T relationship. It also lowers the imtegrity of who the writers made V to be in season 1. Okay now my rant is over I will try to take some positives from tonight's episode Let us hope I don't have to vomit, brush my teeth, watch some more then go back, brush my teeth......do I have to go on
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 13:34:35 GMT -5
crazyforbatb_has season 3, I don't think it has to do with us being women or not. If you see the opinion of the few men in the forum, they aren't very different from ours. It has to do with what you pointed. Vincent and Catherine sleeping with other people after finding the real love of their lives takes away their integrity. Even considering what Vincent went through, it doesn't give him an excuse for it because (according to Kern and the writers, but not what's on the screen) by the time he slept with Tori, he already remembered Catherine and what they had. It only makes it worse, IMO, because he didn't spare one moment to mourn the loss of his love to embrace this woman that, frankly, didn't deserve any attention from him or thought twice before hurting Cat the way he did when he confront her in the Russian embassy and when he threw in her face that, basically, everything he went through comes, indirectly as it was, form her. Catherine being hurt the way she did doesn't make any less shocking to see her in the arms of the same man that ruined her life. Worst, knowing that she only remembered that because she doesn't want to sleep with him. Even worst, knowing that she doesn't want to sleep with him, but she'll sleep with him to prove a point. Frankly, I would think better of her if she slept with the drunk guy of 211.
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Post by bbat on Feb 16, 2014 14:21:31 GMT -5
Like you soccmom, everytime I see Gaberine in a liplock, I literally gag! My family must think I'm crazy (hehe what beastie isn't). If G/C have sex because that is what it is it is certainly not love, I will have to gp vomit and clean my mouth out. Too bad I can't do the same with my mind. Anyway, if the writers go there how the h*** are they gonna turn the tables and have VinCat making LOVE (cause that's what it truly is) in the next episode and maje it credible? What does that say for Catherine's character? What respect are they showing for their loyal viewers (yes that's us)? I am banging my head in frustration and utter confusion! We all know that Catherine has had many one night stands in the past and they have been "just sex" but she is in a relationship with Gabe, having sex with him would signify a stronger connection. It really makes no sense if later in the same episode she is struggling with her feelings for Vincent...I am really hoping it is going to be a dream sequence, and she will wake up thinking "Thank God I haven't gone there with Gabe!" He're's hoping for a mere nightmare, chicas...that I may be able to survive! As much I would prefer this scenario, the writers never saw it that way. They told us that it would be absolutely natural and logical for Cat to go there, because Gabe is the perfect match every woman can only dream of. I’m sure Cat will sleep with Gabe, but it will only be implied, similar to V/Tori, and believe me, they will never tell us if the sex was satisfying or not, lol I know, one shouldn’t read too much into Catherine Ashton’s tweets, but I always have her ep description (“sometimes dreams come true”) in the back of my mind. Someone will dream about something and it will come true in the end, and it will either refer to V or Cat or both. That’s how I imagine it could go down(but I’m not very good at predictions ): If it’s V, he is remembering his old life as a doctor, so maybe at the end he could be offered a job at the hospital by his old mentor and accept it. If it’s Cat, I think we could be shown an actual dream sequence and the first scene of the ep with V half naked in his houseboat and C "dropping by for a chat” could be Cat’s dream. Then she awakes lying next to Gabe in his apartment and is shocked, because she realizes no matter how much she tries to deny it, she is subconsciously still very much attracted to Vincent. This will lead to awkward situations throughout the episodes with Vincent, like the one in the sneek peak, where she gets so angry at V(because he seemingly is completely over her, but still evokes the kind of feelings she is desperately in denial about) At some point at the end JT will tell Cat (maybe let it slip accidently) that V still loves her, which will confuse her even more. This is where I hope Cat finally decides that going into a relationship with Gabe was a mistake and she breaks up with him. It has to happen in ep 14, if V and C are supposed to get closer again in ep 15(I’m not quite sure yet if they will end up in bed already in ep 15, maybe it’s just a kiss. I know the term "about last night” does imply having sex, but it could be deceiving). Anyhow, no way I can image the writers would want to leave the impression that Cat is cheating on Gabe with Vincent… The story still would be very rushed though, I wished they would re-build the VinCat relationship more slowly and convincingly(it has been discussed here a lot already), but at this point I am willing to give them a pass because we all know we are running out of time and so they will have to take the "sexual attraction” shortcut.
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