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Post by condor on Dec 5, 2013 16:01:15 GMT -5
To further illustrate the Man-Beast duality of V's character. The man is obviously in love with Cat That made me laugh so hard . Isn't that also human though? Being in love with someone, but also feeling lust for other people? Anyway, that's a totally different discussion . That's also true, especially after Vince was mindwiped by Biodad upto the point of having the personality of an M4 carbine.
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Post by raniamahd on Dec 5, 2013 16:05:21 GMT -5
Isn't that also human though? Being in love with someone, but also feeling lust for other people? First thanks to all of you for the Warm welcome you gave me . you make it easy for my to come and discuss with you again but sorry if i can not make my point with few words , i never knew how to do this even in my own languge about that : i think being really and deeply in love mean you have eyes only for your true mate you are in love with ?! even if you are surrounded by much pretty and better people ! but that is my perspective as a woman , sure men have another opinion ! any way it is a fact that women is more faithful than men but even i know women are different form men , i could not understand or accept that V kiss Tori while he loves Cat and have normal relationship with her as his girlfriend in Alex story i might find an excuse for him regarding thier history , but Tori ?!! even her effect on his beast did not Convinces me !!!
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Post by katiebeast S3 <3 on Dec 5, 2013 16:10:05 GMT -5
That made me laugh so hard . Isn't that also human though? Being in love with someone, but also feeling lust for other people? Anyway, that's a totally different discussion . That's also true, especially after Vince was mindwiped by Biodad upto the point of having the personality of an M4 carbine. Edit: Great signature btw
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Dec 5, 2013 17:45:27 GMT -5
Hi , I am a new member ,and English is not my first languge , but i have some thing to say about this point and i hope i would not bother any one here , and that you can understand what i am saying ... Regarding the idea that Tori is better choice for Vincent because they are simillar , and the the same for Cat and Gabe I have 2 reason to totally disagree with this First: Is that mean that 2 people from different countries , different culture , different religion --- can not be together even if they share a great love because they are different ?!!! Well , that could be true in real life ,some time not always ,because in ather time that make people feel they are stuck together and they do not choose to be together out of love like some lucky people do ?! but this is not real live ?! that is a show based on a fairytale ?! so it is about the power of love , how 2 different people have so many reasons to stay apart but they choose to be together cause they share an epic love , and love will make thier differents disappear and reunited them , as long as they are together thier love can over come any thing ! Is not that the idea the writers sold us the first season ? Now what ? they want to say sorry we were wrong , stuck with your own kind cause love is not enough and it is not even worth fighting for or trying ?!!! Second : How can any one say that Vincent and Tori are the same just because they are beasts ?!! What about them as human ? they are so so different in my opinion , more different than Cat and Vincent could ever be ! in fact i always see that Cat and Vincent are not that different ,they have so much in common in thier personality and that is one of the reasons that make them close and full in love Vincent as they introduce him to us last season (except for the Alex story when he act so not like himself) he is a good man raised by good parents with good older brothers to look up to ,so he grow up with high standard moral ,always want to do the right thing and he cares so much about other people Tori in the other hand as i saw her a few words is (selfish spoiled brat care for no but her self) raised by a beast with no moral ,who made her think she can take any think she want even on other people expensive Cat was so nice to her , still she does not see any thing wrong in kissing her boyfriend in front of her ?! and after the kiss Cat accept her in her house try to protect her from bio dad , but still i did not hear her say sorry for kissing your boy friend ?! and i think when she encouraged V to kill bio dad that was not only the beast on her talk but the woman on her wanted to make conflicted between Cat and Vincent so she can use this on her benifit ,,,, no good person do all this in my opinion So how can she and Vincent have a relationship when they are the opposite of each other ? so for V it will come the day that he realise he is with some one so different of him and he does not even have feeling for her ?!!! are they going to be beasts all the time to be like each other ? even as beasts they are not the same , cause V spent 10 year in hidden so his beast would not harm any one while Tori is so excited with being a beast because that makes her feel above people and give her the power to do whatever she want when ever she want just because she can ?!! So how that makes her a better choice for Vincent than Cat ?!!! if you want me to believe this you could make Tori a better person as human not that selfish spoiled brat !! and for Gabe from season 1 it is the same cause he is as a human is so different than Cat , and i am not convinced with his change in this season , yes people can change but in steps and by time not 180 degree change in no time ?!! and e ven if we buy the idea of his change to the opposite that go back to my first point ? where is epic love and it's power ?! that story suppose to be about ?!! finaly thanks to you all , sorry for bothering and i hope my words make sence to you as i said befor English is not my first languge Welcome to the Forum!!! Your English is great, as are your comments!! I look forward to your future comments.
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Post by yfaruqi on Dec 5, 2013 18:15:33 GMT -5
Hi , I am a new member ,and English is not my first languge , but i have some thing to say about this point and i hope i would not bother any one here , and that you can understand what i am saying ... Regarding the idea that Tori is better choice for Vincent because they are simillar , and the the same for Cat and Gabe I have 2 reason to totally disagree with this First: Is that mean that 2 people from different countries , different culture , different religion --- can not be together even if they share a great love because they are different ?!!! Well , that could be true in real life ,some time not always ,because in ather time that make people feel they are stuck together and they do not choose to be together out of love like some lucky people do ?! but this is not real live ?! that is a show based on a fairytale ?! so it is about the power of love , how 2 different people have so many reasons to stay apart but they choose to be together cause they share an epic love , and love will make thier differents disappear and reunited them , as long as they are together thier love can over come any thing ! Is not that the idea the writers sold us the first season ? Now what ? they want to say sorry we were wrong , stuck with your own kind cause love is not enough and it is not even worth fighting for or trying ?!!! Second : How can any one say that Vincent and Tori are the same just because they are beasts ?!! What about them as human ? they are so so different in my opinion , more different than Cat and Vincent could ever be ! in fact i always see that Cat and Vincent are not that different ,they have so much in common in thier personality and that is one of the reasons that make them close and full in love Vincent as they introduce him to us last season (except for the Alex story when he act so not like himself) he is a good man raised by good parents with good older brothers to look up to ,so he grow up with high standard moral ,always want to do the right thing and he cares so much about other people Tori in the other hand as i saw her a few words is (selfish spoiled brat care for no but her self) raised by a beast with no moral ,who made her think she can take any think she want even on other people expensive Cat was so nice to her , still she does not see any thing wrong in kissing her boyfriend in front of her ?! and after the kiss Cat accept her in her house try to protect her from bio dad , but still i did not hear her say sorry for kissing your boy friend ?! and i think when she encouraged V to kill bio dad that was not only the beast on her talk but the woman on her wanted to make conflicted between Cat and Vincent so she can use this on her benifit ,,,, no good person do all this in my opinion So how can she and Vincent have a relationship when they are the opposite of each other ? so for V it will come the day that he realise he is with some one so different of him and he does not even have feeling for her ?!!! are they going to be beasts all the time to be like each other ? even as beasts they are not the same , cause V spent 10 year in hidden so his beast would not harm any one while Tori is so excited with being a beast because that makes her feel above people and give her the power to do whatever she want when ever she want just because she can ?!! So how that makes her a better choice for Vincent than Cat ?!!! if you want me to believe this you could make Tori a better person as human not that selfish spoiled brat !! and for Gabe from season 1 it is the same cause he is as a human is so different than Cat , and i am not convinced with his change in this season , yes people can change but in steps and by time not 180 degree change in no time ?!! and e ven if we buy the idea of his change to the opposite that go back to my first point ? where is epic love and it's power ?! that story suppose to be about ?!! finaly thanks to you all , sorry for bothering and i hope my words make sence to you as i said befor English is not my first languge I agree with pretty much everything you said but apparently the writers have other ideas. I don't have a problem with adding more action mythology and stuff to the show to make it more accessible but I wish they didn't change the characters of Vincent and Catherine so much. They did have an excuse with Vincent's memory loss but it seems to me like that was a plot device just so they could rewrite the characters. Part of the reason Vincent and Catherine had an epic love was because they were good people who shared the same values about helping others and to them the lives of other people mattered. I don't get the same vibe from VinCat 2.0. Vincent did save Cat in the first episode and his nephew but it makes me think if there was someone else other than Cat dying while he was looking to kill the Murfield guy would he have even cared about that. From what I have seen so far in season 2 I would think he wouldn't have. Anyway I hope we have some interesting developments going forward which would make the changes worth it...
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Post by raniamahd on Dec 5, 2013 18:52:38 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much everything you said but apparently the writers have other ideas. I don't have a problem with adding more action mythology and stuff to the show to make it more accessible but I wish they didn't change the characters of Vincent and Catherine so much. They did have an excuse with Vincent's memory loss but it seems to me like that was a plot device just so they could rewrite the characters. Part of the reason Vincent and Catherine had an epic love was because they were good people who shared the same values about helping others and to them the lives of other people mattered. I don't get the same vibe from VinCat 2.0. Vincent did save Cat in the first episode and his nephew but it makes me think if there was someone else other than Cat dying while he was looking to kill the Murfield guy would he have even cared about that. From what I have seen so far in season 2 I would think he wouldn't have. Anyway I hope we have some interesting developments going forward which would make the changes worth it... exactly ! the desire of adding more action mythology and stuff to the show does not mean to change the characters completly ?! because viewers love those characters the way they were or because the way they were ?! in my opinion Vincent lost his memory is not an excuse for that big change in his character , he lost his memory not his personality ?!!! and even if i accept that in the begining ,how can i accept that now when he had alot of his memory with Cat back ?! how after when he said how important she is to him and that he want to remember her mor than any thing and that he will be lost without her like zach ?!! how after that i accept that he while asking for his revenge from bio dad he crashed a car Cat drive it ? who can control crash accidents ? how can he be sure Cat would not badly hurt in that crash ? so he look for his revenge with any cost even if the cost is Cat's life ?!!! and do not tell me that is Tori's effect on him so the writer want me now to believe that her effect is stronger than his love and care for Cat ?!!!!!!!!!! What an epic love !!!!!!!!!!! it seems to me that the writers need a Definition for the word epic cause i don not think they know it's mean !
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Post by condor on Dec 5, 2013 18:58:52 GMT -5
exactly ! the desire of adding more action mythology and stuff to the show does not mean to change the characters completly ?! because viewers love those characters the way they were or because the way they were ?! in my opinion Vincent lost his memory is not an excuse for that big change in his character , he lost his memory not his personality ?!!! and even if i accept that in the begining ,how can i accept that now when he had alot of his memory with Cat back ?! how after when he said how important she is to him and that he want to remember her mor than any thing and that he will be lost without her like zach ?!! how after that i accept that he while asking for his revenge from bio dad he crashed a car Cat drive it ? who can control crash accidents ? how can he be sure Cat would not badly hurt in that crash ? so he look for his revenge with any cost even if the cost is Cat's life ?!!! and do not tell me that is Tori's effect on him so the writer want me now to believe that her effect is stronger than his love and care for Cat ?!!!!!!!!!! What an epic love !!!!!!!!!!! it seems to me that the writers need a Definition for the word epic cause i don not think they know it's mean !
Because 99% of the existing fanbase is female, and the network execs don't like that. Tbh I don't either.
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Post by Beastly Beauty on Dec 5, 2013 19:09:44 GMT -5
Because 99% of the existing fanbase is female, and the network execs don't like that. Tbh I don't either. Overstepping much? We don't need this kind of aggression!
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Post by condor on Dec 5, 2013 19:16:42 GMT -5
Because 99% of the existing fanbase is female, and the network execs don't like that. Tbh I don't either. Overstepping much? We don't need this kind of aggression! I didn't mean to offend anyone, just pointing out that part of the new plan for S2 involves adapting the show to appeal a little more to the male demographic than S1 did. And I like that. Sorry if my post gave you the wrong idea.
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Post by raniamahd on Dec 5, 2013 19:22:32 GMT -5
Because 99% of the existing fanbase is female, and the network execs don't like that. Tbh I don't either. That is normal , it is a fact the women love to watch romance and love stories and men usually do not ! it is the nature of men and women ,and that can not change complaint about that is like complaint about most of kick boxing viewers are men ! and destroy the show would not fix this , it would simply make it not suitable for women or even for men ! now i have to say good night to you all , because i am from another zone area of the world and it is about 2.30 am here
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Post by condor on Dec 5, 2013 23:03:46 GMT -5
courtesy of Kiki09 Jay ryan Good morning LA! Heading to see the ladies @thetalk_CBS to shoot a secret scene for episode 10 of Beauty&TheBeast @cbstvstudios LOL!!! Jay is funny!!! He is shooting a "secret" scene at The Talk?!?!? Sorry handsome, but it "ain't no secret" anymore!!!! Jay is always good for giving up "the goods" to the fans. He not only tells us there IS a secret scene, but he tells us where it is (The Talk show) and what episode it is in (10). Thanks big guy! So technically that means Aisha Tyler is going to be on BatB, so now we have two Lanas.
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Dec 6, 2013 0:04:02 GMT -5
exactly ! the desire of adding more action mythology and stuff to the show does not mean to change the characters completly ?! because viewers love those characters the way they were or because the way they were ?! in my opinion Vincent lost his memory is not an excuse for that big change in his character , he lost his memory not his personality ?!!! and even if i accept that in the begining ,how can i accept that now when he had alot of his memory with Cat back ?! how after when he said how important she is to him and that he want to remember her mor than any thing and that he will be lost without her like zach ?!! how after that i accept that he while asking for his revenge from bio dad he crashed a car Cat drive it ? who can control crash accidents ? how can he be sure Cat would not badly hurt in that crash ? so he look for his revenge with any cost even if the cost is Cat's life ?!!! and do not tell me that is Tori's effect on him so the writer want me now to believe that her effect is stronger than his love and care for Cat ?!!!!!!!!!! What an epic love !!!!!!!!!!! it seems to me that the writers need a Definition for the word epic cause i don not think they know it's mean !
Because 99% of the existing fanbase is female, and the network execs don't like that. Tbh I don't either. Ah....but that 99% fan base is what has helped keep BATB on the air. Still don't see that many men interested in the show after the infamous "re-boot." All I see is part of that phenom fan base turning off their televisions. I love action and drama. I would rather watch an action movie than any "chick flick." However, I loved BATB because it was different. The romance and epic love story was honest and sincere. Yes, it may have been a "fairy tale," but we didn't care -- we need to get away from reality sometimes. I realize this does not always appeal to men. Had we been given a Season 2 with more consistency, better editing, and more mythology along with the romance and epic love, I believe word of mouth would have provided more viewership. Beasties are that strong. The "re-boot" left out and practically erased the premise of the show and the very reason they had a strong, unwavering fan base. No romance, no epic love story = less viewers. Female or not.
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Dec 6, 2013 1:05:22 GMT -5
The writer's need to find the right balance that will attract men and women to the show which can be done if it's done in the right way just like a couple who can have many different likes and dislikes and interests but at the core is something special that connects them together and for this show it is the connection that Vincat have and all that comes with that love, trust, compassion for each other and wanting to work together to stay together. I have never seen Tori has a better option for Vince just becuase she is a beast doesn't automatically make her the right one for him and I do agree that she comes across as a spoilt brat who to be honest is to immature for Vincent and enjoys the kill to much and so it would be easy for Vincent to fallfor that becuase she is constantly in his ear, whereas Catherine makes him think about his actions and accepted that he did always do the right thing which sadly at the moment it's hard to see Vincent doing that. I would still like to see the writer's still somehow combine season 1 and season 2 Vincent becuase I get that we aren't going to get Vincent 1 back he's changed and change can be good as long as you learn from whatever made you change in the first place and you go forward, but for me while Tori is in the picture he's not going to go forward becuase she is that pull that will want him to stay full beast mode with her while that pull he supposedly felt for Cat in ' Kidnapped' get's less and less. I to don't mind a bit of action in a tv show and diversity with the leads to is okay but not to the degree that BK has done it's been done to quick and which ever way you look at it BATB has always been about love and acceptance between the two leads not how many people they get with before they decide that they want to be with each other, you don't have to have heavy make out sessions every episode that would get boring give them obstacles by all means but also make the core something that's special and what keeps them fightning those obstacles to stay together and fight for that love that keeps me interested in a show like this, and if not like I said before and this is purely my own view then maybe they should re think the name of the show becuase at the moment it is tainting the essence of batb and that's a shame.
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Post by ragulr25 on Dec 6, 2013 1:08:46 GMT -5
Overstepping much? We don't need this kind of aggression! I didn't mean to offend anyone, just pointing out that part of the new plan for S2 involves adapting the show to appeal a little more to the male demographic than S1 did. And I like that. Sorry if my post gave you the wrong idea. actually i heard that they made these changes so that after the nikita finales they can shift batb to friday. this was way before the season premiere aired i dont know whats the news now i agree with u that this season can attract more male demographic with the upcoming mythology of s2.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Dec 6, 2013 3:36:17 GMT -5
exactly ! the desire of adding more action mythology and stuff to the show does not mean to change the characters completly ?! because viewers love those characters the way they were or because the way they were ?! in my opinion Vincent lost his memory is not an excuse for that big change in his character , he lost his memory not his personality ?!!! and even if i accept that in the begining ,how can i accept that now when he had alot of his memory with Cat back ?! how after when he said how important she is to him and that he want to remember her mor than any thing and that he will be lost without her like zach ?!! how after that i accept that he while asking for his revenge from bio dad he crashed a car Cat drive it ? who can control crash accidents ? how can he be sure Cat would not badly hurt in that crash ? so he look for his revenge with any cost even if the cost is Cat's life ?!!! and do not tell me that is Tori's effect on him so the writer want me now to believe that her effect is stronger than his love and care for Cat ?!!!!!!!!!! What an epic love !!!!!!!!!!! it seems to me that the writers need a Definition for the word epic cause i don not think they know it's mean !
Because 99% of the existing fanbase is female, and the network execs don't like that. Tbh I don't either. I don't find it offensive. It's a fact that fanbase was mostly women and the network wants more male tunning in. I would like that too if it means having more viewers hence more chances for renewal!!
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