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Post by ragulr25 on Nov 15, 2013 22:06:12 GMT -5
yeah we know that after cat shoots vin ,he escapes from there and goes to his boathouse and where tori enters the boathouse maybe the scene u mention happens there i m a fan of tori char (from the get go) this tori can challenge "vincat" in all types ,i m just speculating but gabe and tori will team up to seperate vin and cat for their own safety That's pretty much what will happen, I'm the most afraid. Again speculating. The good news.....I am terrible at speculating, so I am hoping I am so WRONG! Yes, Tori was brought in to challenge our couple, but at what cost to the fans, to the "magic".....to this "epic" love story? What do you mean, "gabe and tori will team up to seperate vin and cat for their own safety"....do you mean the safety of Gabe and Tori? Not sure I understand? to the safety of vin and cat .with bio dad still on the loose
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Nov 15, 2013 22:08:52 GMT -5
Here is my two cents worth. If something happens between Vincent and Tori - like a kiss for example - I see him having major flashes of Catherine immediately. Stuff he has not seen or remembered before. I feel like he will immediately pull away. I think if they go farther than that - for example with him really kissing her back (or worse), it will be game over for legions of beasties. That is why I think it won't happen. They may enjoy making us think something will happen, when in actuality it won't. If they want to go the love triangle, or square route and truly see it through (by seeing it through I mean Vincent and Tori cross serious lines), well they will lose their fan base. This show is not TVD, and even I won't even be able to watch through that. There is a difference between a situation where a third party has a crush -like Gabe- and one of our lovers consummating a relationship with someone else. It just can't happen. No way, no how, not even if the show goes on for 5 seasons. Vincent and Alex kissed ONCE in season 1 and we still haven't gotten over that whole mess. They showed a very brief snippet of a love scene between Vincent and some bimbo he banged more than 10 years ago and total mayhem erupted around here. They just CAN'T. Period. That is my full take on the situation. Is Tori a threat? Probably, yes, but not in the way people are thinking. Will she have a crush on the man who ripped her father's heart out? Maybe, but that is the extent of it. I'm just not going to go there. No way. I'm off to reread Fifty Shades of Grey. Yep, I said it. Trying to think about anything but BATB right now. Not liking this speculation at all.
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Post by beastiegirl.happy.puppy on Nov 15, 2013 22:37:53 GMT -5
Here is my two cents worth. If something happens between Vincent and Tori - like a kiss for example - I see him having major flashes of Catherine immediately. Stuff he has not seen or remembered before. I feel like he will immediately pull away. I think if they go farther than that - for example with him really kissing her back (or worse), it will be game over for legions of beasties. That is why I think it won't happen. They may enjoy making us think something will happen, when in actuality it won't. If they want to go the love triangle, or square route and truly see it through (by seeing it through I mean Vincent and Tori cross serious lines), well they will lose their fan base. This show is not TVD, and even I won't even be able to watch through that. There is a difference between a situation where a third party has a crush -like Gabe- and one of our lovers consummating a relationship with someone else. It just can't happen. No way, no how, not even if the show goes on for 5 seasons. Vincent and Alex kissed ONCE in season 1 and we still haven't gotten over that whole mess. They showed a very brief snippet of a love scene between Vincent and some bimbo he banged more than 10 years ago and total mayhem erupted around here. They just CAN'T. Period. That is my full take on the situation. Is Tori a threat? Probably, yes, but not in the way people are thinking. Will she have a crush on the man who ripped her father's heart out? Maybe, but that is the extent of it. I'm just not going to go there. No way. I'm off to reread Fifty Shades of Grey. Yep, I said it. Trying to think about anything but BATB right now. Not liking this speculation at all. I agree, anything short of pushing her away would be too much for Beasties to take!!! Even returning her kiss could well signal the end of BatB. There's no way the writers would make such a stupid move! When the Tori character was first mentioned, they said it would be a 3-4 episode arc & if the audience liked her, maybe a regular. She's only been in one & the reaction is already negative! Can anyone imagine what she can do to make us like her enough to want them to keep her??? I certainly can't & I've said from the start that she wouldn't be a love interest for Vincent!!
I will retreat to my Happy Beastieland & wait for the storm to pass. And wait for the Sunshine & Rainbow!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 22:54:49 GMT -5
Didn't Jay say that S1's writers "took heat" due to the Alex mess? Why would they do something like that? Do they really think that, because we stuck around after that insuferable arc, we'll do it again? Are they really THAT stupid?
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Nov 15, 2013 23:07:23 GMT -5
Here is my two cents worth. If something happens between Vincent and Tori - like a kiss for example - I see him having major flashes of Catherine immediately. Stuff he has not seen or remembered before. I feel like he will immediately pull away. I think if they go farther than that - for example with him really kissing her back (or worse), it will be game over for legions of beasties. That is why I think it won't happen. They may enjoy making us think something will happen, when in actuality it won't. If they want to go the love triangle, or square route and truly see it through (by seeing it through I mean Vincent and Tori cross serious lines), well they will lose their fan base. This show is not TVD, and even I won't even be able to watch through that. There is a difference between a situation where a third party has a crush -like Gabe- and one of our lovers consummating a relationship with someone else. It just can't happen. No way, no how, not even if the show goes on for 5 seasons. Vincent and Alex kissed ONCE in season 1 and we still haven't gotten over that whole mess. They showed a very brief snippet of a love scene between Vincent and some bimbo he banged more than 10 years ago and total mayhem erupted around here. They just CAN'T. Period. That is my full take on the situation. Is Tori a threat? Probably, yes, but not in the way people are thinking. Will she have a crush on the man who ripped her father's heart out? Maybe, but that is the extent of it. I'm just not going to go there. No way. I'm off to reread Fifty Shades of Grey. Yep, I said it. Trying to think about anything but BATB right now. Not liking this speculation at all. Your post reminded me of a theory that has been nagging me in my mind since the final scene of Tori's eyes glowing. Again, just my own theory with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for evidence - no spoiler info here, just my personal idea. At least this won't make me go code yellow again! Here goes: I believed that Tori truly loved her father, despite what he became and despite his overprotectiveness of her. Her face was devastated as she watched her father die. My theory is that she is hiding her anger and hatred for what V did to her father. Something in this episode is going to make her realize what power she holds over him - no idea what that would be yet. Once she understands what she can do, she is going to wield this power as a weapon to hurt both Cat and V, but mostly V. She will want to separate V and Cat so he can feel as alone as she does without her father. She will make him do things that Cat cannot forgive, making her push him away. This makes V more "pliable" - without Cat's influence, Tori will be able to make him do what SHE wants. So while he is doing her bidding, she is getting what she wants on two fronts. First, V accomplishes things for her that she could never do alone (maybe kill bio-dad in revenge for targeting HER dad?). Second, every line V crosses puts distance between him and Cat, thus getting revenge on him (pain of losing his most precious loved one) for killing HER dad. I'm sure V will eventually escape this influence, but I'm wondering how? As far as anything "seductive" and my theory, Tori will use THIS influence over V for one simple purpose - cause Cat to run away from him. This gives her more power over him. She hates what he did to her dad too much to actually want him. Again, my own personal theory. There is no basis for my theory in any spoiler or leaked bit. I was just speculating, thinking that I could never fall for a guy who could kill my dad before my very eyes. I would, however, try to get revenge on such a person. At least this theory avoids this scary thought that V and Tori could actually be attracted to each other "in that way". I am trying very hard to avoid that scenario AT ALL COSTS! Yeah, I may be in denial . . . So what do you guys think? Possible, probable, or just plain crazy?!? Rose-colored glasses? If you don't mind me asking, would you let me know?
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Post by sunshine978 on Nov 16, 2013 1:26:24 GMT -5
Here is my two cents worth. If something happens between Vincent and Tori - like a kiss for example - I see him having major flashes of Catherine immediately. Stuff he has not seen or remembered before. I feel like he will immediately pull away. I think if they go farther than that - for example with him really kissing her back (or worse), it will be game over for legions of beasties. That is why I think it won't happen. They may enjoy making us think something will happen, when in actuality it won't. If they want to go the love triangle, or square route and truly see it through (by seeing it through I mean Vincent and Tori cross serious lines), well they will lose their fan base. This show is not TVD, and even I won't even be able to watch through that. There is a difference between a situation where a third party has a crush -like Gabe- and one of our lovers consummating a relationship with someone else. It just can't happen. No way, no how, not even if the show goes on for 5 seasons. Vincent and Alex kissed ONCE in season 1 and we still haven't gotten over that whole mess. They showed a very brief snippet of a love scene between Vincent and some bimbo he banged more than 10 years ago and total mayhem erupted around here. They just CAN'T. Period. That is my full take on the situation. Is Tori a threat? Probably, yes, but not in the way people are thinking. Will she have a crush on the man who ripped her father's heart out? Maybe, but that is the extent of it. I'm just not going to go there. No way. I'm off to reread Fifty Shades of Grey. Yep, I said it. Trying to think about anything but BATB right now. Not liking this speculation at all. Your post reminded me of a theory that has been nagging me in my mind since the final scene of Tori's eyes glowing. Again, just my own theory with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for evidence - no spoiler info here, just my personal idea. At least this won't make me go code yellow again! Here goes: I believed that Tori truly loved her father, despite what he became and despite his overprotectiveness of her. Her face was devastated as she watched her father die. My theory is that she is hiding her anger and hatred for what V did to her father. Something in this episode is going to make her realize what power she holds over him - no idea what that would be yet. Once she understands what she can do, she is going to wield this power as a weapon to hurt both Cat and V, but mostly V. She will want to separate V and Cat so he can feel as alone as she does without her father. She will make him do things that Cat cannot forgive, making her push him away. This makes V more "pliable" - without Cat's influence, Tori will be able to make him do what SHE wants. So while he is doing her bidding, she is getting what she wants on two fronts. First, V accomplishes things for her that she could never do alone (maybe kill bio-dad in revenge for targeting HER dad?). Second, every line V crosses puts distance between him and Cat, thus getting revenge on him (pain of losing his most precious loved one) for killing HER dad. I'm sure V will eventually escape this influence, but I'm wondering how? As far as anything "seductive" and my theory, Tori will use THIS influence over V for one simple purpose - cause Cat to run away from him. This gives her more power over him. She hates what he did to her dad too much to actually want him. Again, my own personal theory. There is no basis for my theory in any spoiler or leaked bit. I was just speculating, thinking that I could never fall for a guy who could kill my dad before my very eyes. I would, however, try to get revenge on such a person. At least this theory avoids this scary thought that V and Tori could actually be attracted to each other "in that way". I am trying very hard to avoid that scenario AT ALL COSTS! Yeah, I may be in denial . . . So what do you guys think? Possible, probable, or just plain crazy?!? Rose-colored glasses? If you don't mind me asking, would you let me know? Wow! I rarely give feedback on this forum but I had to give you soom feedback! I LOVE LOVE LOVE your theory! I think it's absolutely brilliant! You have given me some hope that it is very possible that the Tori arc can play out as you have stated. I just don't know if the BatB writers are as brilliant though. Perhaps you can give them some tips in writing good storylines - I would be eternally grateful!! I am not watching the show live during the Tori arc but once I hear from fans that Vincent hasn't crossed any lines in an episode, I watch it online . I just don't trust the writers since the Alex arc and the Gabriella/Vincent fling had turned me off so I'm taking a bit of a break. But I do hope that Vincent doesn't disappoint me yet again. The writers are really taking chances - I know people who decided not to watch the show this Season when they had heard about the Tori arc. I haven't been watching but once her arc ends, I might decide to watch again. Let's hope your theory is right, then I might start trusting the writers again too!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2013 1:28:30 GMT -5
^^^I don't think you're crazy julz. I think you're brilliant!!! Love your theory and hope that is what will happen!
I think that V will have intense feelings of guilt for the way he killed Tori's dad and T will take advantage of this and manipulate him into doing things that will scare or push Catherine away.
I don't think that anything romantic will transpire between V and T. If it does, then I have to say that the writers are the dumbest bunch of people out there!! And this is coming from a fan who enjoyed the Alex arc and has thus far enjoyed season 2.
There are hundreds of ways you can challenge and test a couples love. A new love interest will not cut it here!
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 16, 2013 2:58:11 GMT -5
Here is my two cents worth. If something happens between Vincent and Tori - like a kiss for example - I see him having major flashes of Catherine immediately. Stuff he has not seen or remembered before. I feel like he will immediately pull away. I think if they go farther than that - for example with him really kissing her back (or worse), it will be game over for legions of beasties. That is why I think it won't happen. They may enjoy making us think something will happen, when in actuality it won't. If they want to go the love triangle, or square route and truly see it through (by seeing it through I mean Vincent and Tori cross serious lines), well they will lose their fan base. This show is not TVD, and even I won't even be able to watch through that. There is a difference between a situation where a third party has a crush -like Gabe- and one of our lovers consummating a relationship with someone else. It just can't happen. No way, no how, not even if the show goes on for 5 seasons. Vincent and Alex kissed ONCE in season 1 and we still haven't gotten over that whole mess. They showed a very brief snippet of a love scene between Vincent and some bimbo he banged more than 10 years ago and total mayhem erupted around here. They just CAN'T. Period. That is my full take on the situation. Is Tori a threat? Probably, yes, but not in the way people are thinking. Will she have a crush on the man who ripped her father's heart out? Maybe, but that is the extent of it. I'm just not going to go there. No way. I'm off to reread Fifty Shades of Grey. Yep, I said it. Trying to think about anything but BATB right now. Not liking this speculation at all. exactly would not make sense for sth. to happen with tori right now. having said that i do think there will be other love interests in future, i think most certainly with cat, which hopefully go nowhere, but with tori i just cant see it, it doesnt make sense
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Nov 16, 2013 3:28:57 GMT -5
I was supposed to go to sleep but I can't.... :'(after breathing the 'deepest' I could, something came to my mind, maybe it won't make any sense but I'll write it anyway...I was remembering episode Instict of Smallville, when Maxima goes seducing all the guys with her 'endorphine kiss', and she even gets to seduce Clark, when they are 'kissing' in the elevator (Clark is not himself at that moment, he is under her spell) Lois shows up, and when he sees her, he suddenly forgets about Maxima, put her aside, and goes after Lois, it was like the power Maxima had over him suddenly dissapeared, well, maybe this makes no sense at all, I'm way too desperate trying to find ways for this not to happen....or at least not to be as bad at it seems...looking for 'solutions'... maybe if Catherine shows up (before Vincent even moves a finger of course!!!!) and Vincent sees her, that 'thing' Tori 'triggers' on him could dissapear, he could send her to the furtherst place ever and the disaster could be avoided... ok it is almost 2:00am here, I know all this is way too weird, don't shoot me lol
I'm nervous about possibility of beast on beast but I refuse to panic.. I suffer too much if I go that way so I will stay calm and think in different scenarios about it. Don't know too much about animals behavior but they use to be more loyal than humans... When they find their mate they stick to her forever, right? Cat is Vincent's mate (they are destined) so as much as Tori animal instinc reacts with Vincent I still remain positive that he will not fall for her or give her a chance, even if VinCat broke up! Maybe there's a kiss (unexpected as Cat Ashton said) between Tori and Vincent. But maybe he didn't expect it an doesn't allow it togo further. Alanaxxx I'm with u, Cat' spell is stronger than noone else becausr SHE'S THE ONE FOR VINCENT!!
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Post by feezya on Nov 16, 2013 3:52:53 GMT -5
I was supposed to go to sleep but I can't.... :'(after breathing the 'deepest' I could, something came to my mind, maybe it won't make any sense but I'll write it anyway...I was remembering episode Instict of Smallville, when Maxima goes seducing all the guys with her 'endorphine kiss', and she even gets to seduce Clark, when they are 'kissing' in the elevator (Clark is not himself at that moment, he is under her spell) Lois shows up, and when he sees her, he suddenly forgets about Maxima, put her aside, and goes after Lois, it was like the power Maxima had over him suddenly dissapeared, well, maybe this makes no sense at all, I'm way too desperate trying to find ways for this not to happen....or at least not to be as bad at it seems...looking for 'solutions'... maybe if Catherine shows up (before Vincent even moves a finger of course!!!!) and Vincent sees her, that 'thing' Tori 'triggers' on him could dissapear, he could send her to the furtherst place ever and the disaster could be avoided... ok it is almost 2:00am here, I know all this is way too weird, don't shoot me lol
IF and i'm only saying IF there is a Vincent/Tori fling in store for us, i would love it if they'd go this way. so far this is the ONLY way that i like. that aside, breathe and remember, these are all speculations. yes JayKris admit there'll be triangle but that about the only thing we know about it. let's not exhaust ourselves here..... breathe in breathe out....
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Post by feezya on Nov 16, 2013 3:54:42 GMT -5
I am trying so hard to bite my tongue. I don't want to see this "Beast on she-Beast" in anyway shape or form. I will be so upset. I struggle why they would be hinting this and going through another "triangle" with Vincent again. I am saying "triangle" because of the interviews with Jay and Kristin where they use the word specifically. I can't ignore the signals. I truly cannot stand to see Cat hurt AGAIN! Then what?......we see her take him back again and again? That only goes back so far, then it just seems abusive. I almost dread the Winter Hiatus.......I want to be intrigued and excited for the upcoming episodes, but I am feeling like I did during the Alex arc. I am going to go on record and say that we will have a Tori and Vincent Kiss, complete with eyes glowing and heaving chests and then they will cut away........they will leave us guessing before the Hiatus. The writers want to cause a stir and they know exactly how to get it from Beasties. I am just preparing myself...... yeah we know that after cat shoots vin ,he escapes from there and goes to his boathouse and where tori enters the boathouse maybe the scene u mention happens there i m a fan of tori char (from the get go) this tori can challenge "vincat" in all types ,i m just speculating but gabe and tori will team up to seperate vin and cat for their own safety CAT SHOOTS VIN? ? when will this happen?
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Post by feezya on Nov 16, 2013 4:05:29 GMT -5
Here is my two cents worth. If something happens between Vincent and Tori - like a kiss for example - I see him having major flashes of Catherine immediately. Stuff he has not seen or remembered before. I feel like he will immediately pull away. I think if they go farther than that - for example with him really kissing her back (or worse), it will be game over for legions of beasties. That is why I think it won't happen. They may enjoy making us think something will happen, when in actuality it won't. If they want to go the love triangle, or square route and truly see it through (by seeing it through I mean Vincent and Tori cross serious lines), well they will lose their fan base. This show is not TVD, and even I won't even be able to watch through that. There is a difference between a situation where a third party has a crush -like Gabe- and one of our lovers consummating a relationship with someone else. It just can't happen. No way, no how, not even if the show goes on for 5 seasons. Vincent and Alex kissed ONCE in season 1 and we still haven't gotten over that whole mess. They showed a very brief snippet of a love scene between Vincent and some bimbo he banged more than 10 years ago and total mayhem erupted around here. They just CAN'T. Period. That is my full take on the situation. Is Tori a threat? Probably, yes, but not in the way people are thinking. Will she have a crush on the man who ripped her father's heart out? Maybe, but that is the extent of it. I'm just not going to go there. No way. I'm off to reread Fifty Shades of Grey. Yep, I said it. Trying to think about anything but BATB right now. Not liking this speculation at all. Can i press the like button many many times?? i think i should get myself that book too.... I was THIS yesterday... But today i'm THIS???!!! spoilers are soooo unhealthy for me emotionally
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Nov 16, 2013 4:09:01 GMT -5
Love the smilie i've a feeling that it will get used a lot in the next few episodes with Vince/Tori. Agree with everything said the writer's need to be very careful with how they proceed with the whole T/V story if they are going to go down the revenge route for Tori which to be honest would be the best route to go by misleading us into thinking something i going to happen after all they have now made it clear not that it took much working out that Gabe as a thing for Cat so now it's obvioulsy Vince's turn which is why I think they have and will make a big thing of it's Tori who goes to his boathouse after he get's shot and not Catherine which for me it should be and that's when I personally think is where they will cross the line with them or imply something without us seeing it but have us thinking it either way it's not good the flashback with the bar room <edited> as someone put it was bad enough but to see him locking lips with someone else for however long it is is very dangerous ground for the writer's to go especially with the people's choice awards coming up to but for me too I want Vince to get his full memory's back of Cat but not if it takes him to get up close and personal with someone else for me that cheapens it but that's purely a personal view, I would rather that something else happens that gives him the shock of something happening to either Cat or even himself and it all comes back that way through the feel of losing her in a situation he has no control over and maybe can't get to her in time not becuase he is locking lips or other body parts with a she beast and then it happens, I want the pull he feels for Cat to be the reason he remembers not over guilt of doing something with someone he shouldn't be that's not epic that's a easy cop out for the writer's. It's alright thw writer's wanting more of a male audience but at what cost becuase if the females turn away from Vince then was it all really worth it to run the risk of losing a great show that did and still show potential as it's been said by me and many it is called ' Beauty and the Beast' it's a love story that yes faces challenges and obstacles but the core never changes and it shouldn't change now make it modern yes but don't disrespect the basis of the story which has been told many diffeent ways but has always kept the core of it seeing past someone's troubles and who they really are is what batb is and always will be no matter how it's told.
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Post by feezya on Nov 16, 2013 4:14:45 GMT -5
Here is my two cents worth. If something happens between Vincent and Tori - like a kiss for example - I see him having major flashes of Catherine immediately. Stuff he has not seen or remembered before. I feel like he will immediately pull away. I think if they go farther than that - for example with him really kissing her back (or worse), it will be game over for legions of beasties. That is why I think it won't happen. They may enjoy making us think something will happen, when in actuality it won't. If they want to go the love triangle, or square route and truly see it through (by seeing it through I mean Vincent and Tori cross serious lines), well they will lose their fan base. This show is not TVD, and even I won't even be able to watch through that. There is a difference between a situation where a third party has a crush -like Gabe- and one of our lovers consummating a relationship with someone else. It just can't happen. No way, no how, not even if the show goes on for 5 seasons. Vincent and Alex kissed ONCE in season 1 and we still haven't gotten over that whole mess. They showed a very brief snippet of a love scene between Vincent and some bimbo he banged more than 10 years ago and total mayhem erupted around here. They just CAN'T. Period. That is my full take on the situation. Is Tori a threat? Probably, yes, but not in the way people are thinking. Will she have a crush on the man who ripped her father's heart out? Maybe, but that is the extent of it. I'm just not going to go there. No way. I'm off to reread Fifty Shades of Grey. Yep, I said it. Trying to think about anything but BATB right now. Not liking this speculation at all. Your post reminded me of a theory that has been nagging me in my mind since the final scene of Tori's eyes glowing. Again, just my own theory with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for evidence - no spoiler info here, just my personal idea. At least this won't make me go code yellow again! Here goes: I believed that Tori truly loved her father, despite what he became and despite his overprotectiveness of her. Her face was devastated as she watched her father die. My theory is that she is hiding her anger and hatred for what V did to her father. Something in this episode is going to make her realize what power she holds over him - no idea what that would be yet. Once she understands what she can do, she is going to wield this power as a weapon to hurt both Cat and V, but mostly V. She will want to separate V and Cat so he can feel as alone as she does without her father. She will make him do things that Cat cannot forgive, making her push him away. This makes V more "pliable" - without Cat's influence, Tori will be able to make him do what SHE wants. So while he is doing her bidding, she is getting what she wants on two fronts. First, V accomplishes things for her that she could never do alone (maybe kill bio-dad in revenge for targeting HER dad?). Second, every line V crosses puts distance between him and Cat, thus getting revenge on him (pain of losing his most precious loved one) for killing HER dad. I'm sure V will eventually escape this influence, but I'm wondering how? As far as anything "seductive" and my theory, Tori will use THIS influence over V for one simple purpose - cause Cat to run away from him. This gives her more power over him. She hates what he did to her dad too much to actually want him. Again, my own personal theory. There is no basis for my theory in any spoiler or leaked bit. I was just speculating, thinking that I could never fall for a guy who could kill my dad before my very eyes. I would, however, try to get revenge on such a person. At least this theory avoids this scary thought that V and Tori could actually be attracted to each other "in that way". I am trying very hard to avoid that scenario AT ALL COSTS! Yeah, I may be in denial . . . So what do you guys think? Possible, probable, or just plain crazy?!? Rose-colored glasses? If you don't mind me asking, would you let me know? Definitely a good theory for Tori to stay around, but HOW she does all these things... that's what i am afraid of coz right now i can only think of ONE way....
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Nov 16, 2013 7:57:57 GMT -5
Your post reminded me of a theory that has been nagging me in my mind since the final scene of Tori's eyes glowing. Again, just my own theory with ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for evidence - no spoiler info here, just my personal idea. At least this won't make me go code yellow again! Here goes: I believed that Tori truly loved her father, despite what he became and despite his overprotectiveness of her. Her face was devastated as she watched her father die. My theory is that she is hiding her anger and hatred for what V did to her father. Something in this episode is going to make her realize what power she holds over him - no idea what that would be yet. Once she understands what she can do, she is going to wield this power as a weapon to hurt both Cat and V, but mostly V. She will want to separate V and Cat so he can feel as alone as she does without her father. She will make him do things that Cat cannot forgive, making her push him away. This makes V more "pliable" - without Cat's influence, Tori will be able to make him do what SHE wants. So while he is doing her bidding, she is getting what she wants on two fronts. First, V accomplishes things for her that she could never do alone (maybe kill bio-dad in revenge for targeting HER dad?). Second, every line V crosses puts distance between him and Cat, thus getting revenge on him (pain of losing his most precious loved one) for killing HER dad. I'm sure V will eventually escape this influence, but I'm wondering how? As far as anything "seductive" and my theory, Tori will use THIS influence over V for one simple purpose - cause Cat to run away from him. This gives her more power over him. She hates what he did to her dad too much to actually want him. Again, my own personal theory. There is no basis for my theory in any spoiler or leaked bit. I was just speculating, thinking that I could never fall for a guy who could kill my dad before my very eyes. I would, however, try to get revenge on such a person. At least this theory avoids this scary thought that V and Tori could actually be attracted to each other "in that way". I am trying very hard to avoid that scenario AT ALL COSTS! Yeah, I may be in denial . . . So what do you guys think? Possible, probable, or just plain crazy?!? Rose-colored glasses? If you don't mind me asking, would you let me know? Julz, I think your theory is Genius! This could very well be plausible and I could live with this........as long as Vincent's Human side continues to come through and he remembers Catherine. I would be less stressed out about Vincent. The only thing that I worry about is that Catherine will see things differently and not know or gets hurt when she sees Vincent siding with Tori, especially when Tori and Cat will become "at odds" about something. You know that Tori will make Catherine aware of how close Vincent and she have become........Maybe Cat will not know about Tori's Beast side for awhile.........I just think that this will be another example of the fans "will know" what is going on and the Characters (Cat) will not. Maybe that will help us stay "calm" during the Hiatus??
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