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Post by evanarose on Aug 17, 2016 4:16:52 GMT -5
Btw for those who watched it at 11:30 abouts...What's up with Vincat? I mean it just bugged me that Vincent is trying to embrace Cat and give a proper hug and she decides to check her phone and the usual chatter! I mean I knew she's worried and their situation is worse but come on! When Tess and Vincent have more of a heart to heart feeling this episode something is wrong I don't know if it's the fact it's so rare between Tess and Vincent, I notice it but I know lately all the talk between Vincat lately has been about beasts, having a normal life, etc which makes sense given their situation but we need uninterrupted vincat moments where they can just enjoy each other and the moment! Really hope we get that at least the final episode!
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Post by pippin on Aug 17, 2016 9:46:45 GMT -5
I think VinCat leaving would have been more effective if they hadn't already gone down this path twice in season 1 and then again in season 2. They were on their way to Canada with no hesitation in Partners in Crime and again in BITNB but now it's boo-hoo we have to leave?? And no one seems to remember Cat and V already have fake IDs from Never Turn Back or apparently how easy they were to get. I suppose Cat could feel more guilty about leaving Heather since her relationship with V is the reason their father is dead and she's leaving Heath with no immediate family now but that didn't seem to concern her in S2. LOL
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Post by BeastieBoy on Aug 17, 2016 11:31:03 GMT -5
So did this episode really air in Canada this past Sunday? Or did someone at Showcase just screw up and put the episode on-line? The Showcase website still shows it as airing on Aug 21. Also, I didn't see any twitter traffic about the ep from the usual Canadian beasties this past Sunday. In fact, one Canadian beastie tweeted "no new #batb tonight ", this past Sunday. Strange! I think the Showcase website messed up and put the ep up earlier than they were supposed to. Anyway, I watched it. I enjoyed the episode, but I agree with pippin, the episode wasn't as emotional as it could have been. Also as missingalias says, almost nothing in the way of VinCat feels. I did like that they kind of brought Muirfield back and Kyle's betrayal to Heather towards the end was a bit of twist for me. There was a lot to process in this one, I need to do a rewatch. We're building towards the climax, sadly it finally feels like the end is very near.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Aug 17, 2016 12:32:55 GMT -5
WOW. I wasn't expecting Showcase to air the episode this past Sunday (or put up the link instead by accident if they didn't!). But I am not trusting what any "guide" says anymore about when episodes are to air.
My TVGuide and television guide SAID that Episode 10 was to air last Thursday night, but at the last minute MY blasted CW network in my area decided that FOOTBALL was more lucrative than BATB and PULLED THE EPISODE to air the game instead. So I turned to the CW last Thursday night expecting to FINALLY see a NEW episode of BATB, only to have the Panthers game on. (Words CANNOT express the anger and resentment towards the CW on that one!) We actually didn't get Episode 410 in my area until late SATURDAY night!
So I am not certain of when the CW will air the final episodes in my area now. I'm having to rely heavily on the Forum (BLESS YOU POSTERS!!!) to find out about the episode and then buy them on Itunes now when available. I lucked out on just checking the CW nightly for when they FINALLY aired episode 410. If other more lucrative options come their way, I have no doubts that my local CW will air something in place of BATB again and just figure Beasties can see the episode whenever. (Still gumbling, obviously.)
So I don't know WHEN we will actually get 411 in my area. In North Carolina, if the Panthers play anymore football games of anykind on a Thursday night, BATB will get yanked. Sigh. And if they don't air the episode, my cable On Deman WON'T put the episode up, so I just have to purchase it from ITunes instead. Not right. That is definitely DISRESPTFUL to BATB in its final episodes to just "assume" the fanbase either isn't there or will just not care WHEN we see the episode!
Okay, now that the grumbling is out of the way, were BOTH Vincent AND Catherine arrested in 411? Are they both in jail? How did the episode leave it? And what about Heather and JT? How could Kyle POSSIBLY think that Heather would NOT be in trouble herself for what she had done to assist VinCat? Does Heather KNOW that Kyle ratted them out? Just WOW.
I think it has been rather glaringly obvious this whole Season, both from dialogue and from what has happened, that there is NO WAY that VinCat can remain in New York. How could they possibly? Cat was right when she said this a couple episodes back. Too many people have had Vincent come up on their radars too many times. Too much footage is out there on SOMEONE'S computers, be it Graydal, DHS or the like. They will ultimately HAVE to leave, it seems to me, either with or without DHS' blessing.
I still anticipate that there will be some way "around" DHS by the end. Either VinCat will uncover something or assist in finding and getting the bad guy in the end. Most likely in killing him (or her), since a Beast greater then Vincent would not POSSIBLY be caged in any realistic way. So it sounds like a fight to the death. (Which BETTER NOT be Vincent's death, mind you, or I WILL be rioting in the streets, I tell ya! And I doubt I would be alone!!!)
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Post by jefferen on Aug 17, 2016 12:58:14 GMT -5
WOW. I wasn't expecting Showcase to air the episode this past Sunday (or put up the link instead by accident if they didn't!). But I am not trusting what any "guide" says anymore about when episodes are to air. My TVGuide and television guide SAID that Episode 10 was to air last Thursday night, but at the last minute MY blasted CW network in my area decided that FOOTBALL was more lucrative than BATB and PULLED THE EPISODE to air the game instead. So I turned to the CW last Thursday night expecting to FINALLY see a NEW episode of BATB, only to have the Panthers game on. (Words CANNOT express the anger and resentment towards the CW on that one!) We actually didn't get Episode 410 in my area until late SATURDAY night! So I am not certain of when the CW will air the final episodes in my area now. I'm having to rely heavily on the Forum (BLESS YOU POSTERS!!!) to find out about the episode and then buy them on Itunes now when available. I lucked out on just checking the CW nightly for when they FINALLY aired episode 410. If other more lucrative options come their way, I have no doubts that my local CW will air something in place of BATB again and just figure Beasties can see the episode whenever. (Still gumbling, obviously.) So I don't know WHEN we will actually get 411 in my area. In North Carolina, if the Panthers play anymore football games of anykind on a Thursday night, BATB will get yanked. Sigh. And if they don't air the episode, my cable On Deman WON'T put the episode up, so I just have to purchase it from ITunes instead. Not right. That is definitely DISRESPTFUL to BATB in its final episodes to just "assume" the fanbase either isn't there or will just not care WHEN we see the episode! Okay, now that the grumbling is out of the way, were BOTH Vincent AND Catherine arrested in 411? Are they both in jail? How did the episode leave it? And what about Heather and JT? How could Kyle POSSIBLY think that Heather would NOT be in trouble herself for what she had done to assist VinCat? Does Heather KNOW that Kyle ratted them out? Just WOW. I think it has been rather glaringly obvious this whole Season, both from dialogue and from what has happened, that there is NO WAY that VinCat can remain in New York. How could they possibly? Cat was right when she said this a couple episodes back. Too many people have had Vincent come up on their radars too many times. Too much footage is out there on SOMEONE'S computers, be it Graydal, DHS or the like. They will ultimately HAVE to leave, it seems to me, either with or without DHS' blessing. I still anticipate that there will be some way "around" DHS by the end. Either VinCat will uncover something or assist in finding and getting the bad guy in the end. Most likely in killing him (or her), since a Beast greater then Vincent would not POSSIBLY be caged in any realistic way. So it sounds like a fight to the death. (Which BETTER NOT be Vincent's death, mind you, or I WILL be rioting in the streets, I tell ya! And I doubt I would be alone!!!) 1.) Yes they were both arrested at the end of 411, in the airport. Agent Dillon did the honors and them getting arrested was the final scene. 2.) Heather and JT have not been arrested as of yet. Kyle tells heather he turned VinCat in and told Heather that he knows she took the hospital files of the recently deceased people for VinCat's new identities. She ran out on Kyle, saying "you have no idea what you just have done." 3.) we never see the New beast as he is camouflaged, but he does try and blow up Gnarro's lab with VinCat inside. By episodes end, we do not know who the new beast is. (Although, I do have my suspicions that its Kyle.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Aug 17, 2016 13:08:17 GMT -5
Wait, lab? What lab? Who is Gnarro? (I am now missing a few pieces and filled with new questions.) So how do we know that everyone at Muirfield 3.0 is dead? What happened to them? Did their creation off them? (Which would be entirely fitting but scarily intriguing to know that the scientists had NO way of containing what they themselves had created.) Hmmmm. Does DHS know anything about Muirfield 3.0? If they did, you would THINK that they actually WOULD want to cut a deal with VinCat.
Excited but sad to see this one, as there will be only 2 episodes left thereafter to conclude it all. And SO MUCH still seems out there to conclude!
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Post by jefferen on Aug 17, 2016 13:28:44 GMT -5
Wait, lab? What lab? Who is Gnarro? (I am now missing a few pieces and filled with new questions.) So how do we know that everyone at Muirfield 3.0 is dead? What happened to them? Did their creation off them? (Which would be entirely fitting but scarily intriguing to know that the scientists had NO way of containing what they themselves had created.) Hmmmm. Does DHS know anything about Muirfield 3.0? If they did, you would THINK that they actually WOULD want to cut a deal with VinCat.
Excited but sad to see this one, as there will be only 2 episodes left thereafter to conclude it all. And SO MUCH still seems out there to conclude! Ive only watched it once bc it's only on Showcase right now, so I think I got Gnarro's name right, but 100%. Basically someone bought out what was left of Muirfield and Gnarro is the scientist that worked on the formula after Muirfield was bought. He made a much better and powerful beast. The beast he created is invisible. VinCat broke into Gnarro's lab to spread a sample of his blood around to lure the "new beast" out. They lured him out, enough for him to blow up the lab, while VinCat was inside. (they were fine) DHS knows nothing yet of Muirfield 3.0. or this new beast. And we have no idea who from Muirfield 3.0 is left except for Gnarro who the invisible beast ends up killing by episodes end. The person who bought out Muirfield Euckland, gets killed by the beast as well. We also don't know if anyone from the original Muirfield is still behind the scenes working with the new Muirfield 3.0
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Post by BeastieBoy on Aug 17, 2016 22:50:08 GMT -5
Showcase has now taken 411 off of their website. Seems that they did goof and put it up too early before! If the US ratings weren't bad enough, things like this really don't help.
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Post by batb4evr1 on Aug 17, 2016 23:08:00 GMT -5
I think VinCat leaving would have been more effective if they hadn't already gone down this path twice in season 1 and then again in season 2. They were on their way to Canada with no hesitation in Partners in Crime and again in BITNB but now it's boo-hoo we have to leave?? And no one seems to remember Cat and V already have fake IDs from Never Turn Back or apparently how easy they were to get. I suppose Cat could feel more guilty about leaving Heather since her relationship with V is the reason their father is dead and she's leaving Heath with no immediate family now but that didn't seem to concern her in S2. LOL pippin , it seems that our farewell episodes were written in haste and without regard to where things progressed in their storyline and state of character development. Attitude, the show is over let's just jot down a mediocre storyline and dubious dialogue for the final episodes!!! Nobody will notice, Oops the Beasties and Beasts actually followed the progression of the show? Wow, who knew!!! I am hoping for final episodes which will demonstrate consideration for the show theme, unresolved plotlines, its characters and the loyal fans.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Aug 18, 2016 12:44:06 GMT -5
Question: Why is it now Miurfield 3.0? Was there a 2.0? I thought there was only one Miurfield, which was taken down with Zao's death in 201.
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Post by bbatb on Aug 18, 2016 13:40:40 GMT -5
Question: Why is it now Miurfield 3.0? Was there a 2.0? I thought there was only one Miurfield, which was taken down with Zao's death in 201. Maybe because it was shown in season 2 and we had not known about Zhao before, so to the audience he was new - hence 2.0? And now, we have new players again with the old name of Muirfield. Actually, it did not have much to do with M. anymore, since Dr. Garrus completely changed (improved as he said) the serum, so not much of the old M. is left.
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Post by batb4evr1 on Aug 18, 2016 20:56:01 GMT -5
Question: Why is it now Miurfield 3.0? Was there a 2.0? I thought there was only one Miurfield, which was taken down with Zao's death in 201. Maybe because it was shown in season 2 and we had not known about Zhao before, so to the audience he was new - hence 2.0? And now, we have new players again with the old name of Muirfield. Actually, it did not have much to do with M. anymore, since Dr. Garrus completely changed (improved as he said) the serum, so not much of the old M. is left. bbatb, Ah the old new and improved foe who was working in the background while the show moved forward approach because in real time we have little time left to wrap-up the series.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Aug 19, 2016 13:01:07 GMT -5
Question: Why is it now Miurfield 3.0? Was there a 2.0? I thought there was only one Miurfield, which was taken down with Zao's death in 201. Maybe because it was shown in season 2 and we had not known about Zhao before, so to the audience he was new - hence 2.0? And now, we have new players again with the old name of Muirfield. Actually, it did not have much to do with M. anymore, since Dr. Garrus completely changed (improved as he said) the serum, so not much of the old M. is left. The other thought I had was maybe Muirfield 2.0 could have been in reference to the secret society of rich folks who Sam was trying to take down for what they did to his son in S2. But technically they weren't really Muirfield either. Or could it be that Muirfield 1.0 was the original project that experimented on Gabe as a child? Since JT called Gabe a first gen beast. Then 2.0 would have been the M of S1 and 3.0 this current reincarnation?
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Aug 19, 2016 15:04:17 GMT -5
BeastieBoy and others:
My reasoning behind saying Muirfield 3.0 was as follows:
I see Muirfield 1.0 as what we saw and heard about all through Season 1. It was the super-secret organization that worked with goverment agencies to weaponize beasts. Chimera was the original Muirfield project, so I included that as part of "Project Muirfield" that Vincent first talks about when he explains his past to Cat.
I see Muirfield 2.0 as the whole second season conglomeration that was suddenly presented as a one-man organization that then had "earlier" phases and projects that dealt with Sam and were part of the ultra super-secret rich society group. So that whole season 2 presentation of Muirfield in THAT season's variations I just classify as "Muirfield 2.0" for simplification purposes.
To me, Muirfield was a basic non-entity for Season 3 other than references to said organization due to Vanessa Chandler. So the re-emergence of WHATEVER was left of Muirfield 1.0 plus Muirfield 2.0 makes Muirfield 3.0, at least in my mind, even though it is Season 4.
I figured that I had to call it something, and others seemed to be going with the 1.0 forward model. However, this is what I mean when I ask about Muirfield 3.0.
Quite frankly, as we all well know, this is caused by the multitude of writers' errors in defining what Muirfield really was. After Season 1, Brad Kern wanted to move away from said organization so made it something supposedly "easily" swept away by the killing of one man. Yeah, right. That was stupid in its inception and certainly in its execution.
I love the idea that Muirfield went on, because as we all WELL know from Vanessa, Muirfield always WAS primarily about the science to enhance mankind by the creation of man/beast hybrids. SO OBVIOUSLY it would NOT simply die away by the murder of the CEO. Yet they WAIT to bring back Muirfield, or some splintering of it, until RIGHT BEFORE the series is set to end. NOT FAIR for those of us who enjoyed the whole Muirfield angle. Granted, I would not have wanted four straight seasons of nothing but Muirfield, but the way it was written from Season 2 forward was bonkers. There, I said it. Another one of Kern's messes.
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Post by batb4evr1 on Aug 19, 2016 21:21:11 GMT -5
BeastieBoy and others: My reasoning behind saying Muirfield 3.0 was as follows: I see Muirfield 1.0 as what we saw and heard about all through Season 1. It was the super-secret organization that worked with goverment agencies to weaponize beasts. Chimera was the original Muirfield project, so I included that as part of "Project Muirfield" that Vincent first talks about when he explains his past to Cat. I see Muirfield 2.0 as the whole second season conglomeration that was suddenly presented as a one-man organization that then had "earlier" phases and projects that dealt with Sam and were part of the ultra super-secret rich society group. So that whole season 2 presentation of Muirfield in THAT season's variations I just classify as "Muirfield 2.0" for simplification purposes. To me, Muirfield was a basic non-entity for Season 3 other than references to said organization due to Vanessa Chandler. So the re-emergence of WHATEVER was left of Muirfield 1.0 plus Muirfield 2.0 makes Muirfield 3.0, at least in my mind, even though it is Season 4. I figured that I had to call it something, and others seemed to be going with the 1.0 forward model. However, this is what I mean when I ask about Muirfield 3.0. Quite frankly, as we all well know, this is caused by the multitude of writers' errors in defining what Muirfield really was. After Season 1, Brad Kern wanted to move away from said organization so made it something supposedly "easily" swept away by the killing of one man. Yeah, right. That was stupid in its inception and certainly in its execution. I love the idea that Muirfield went on, because as we all WELL know from Vanessa, Muirfield always WAS primarily about the science to enhance mankind by the creation of man/beast hybrids. SO OBVIOUSLY it would NOT simply die away by the murder of the CEO. Yet they WAIT to bring back Muirfield, or some splintering of it, until RIGHT BEFORE the series is set to end. NOT FAIR for those of us who enjoyed the whole Muirfield angle. Granted, I would not have wanted four straight seasons of nothing but Muirfield, but the way it was written from Season 2 forward was bonkers. There, I said it. Another one of Kern's messes. alwayscrazedbatbfan, as always I'm right there with you on this observation!!! Hodge Podged wrap-up of a great show. Totally disappointing treatment. The least they should done was to have invited Sherry and Jennifer to wrap-up Season 4 because at least they loved the mythology and the characters. Respectful treatment of the premise of the show would have been taken scripting the final episodes. And a fond farewell for the loyal fans, which was deserved, would have been provided.
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