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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 23, 2014 22:55:59 GMT -5
Okay um this should sum it up...Three words in a nutshell! Disgusting. Infuriating. HeartbreakingNot just this episode, but the fate the show is going IMO..Sad to say but now that's how I feel. Maybe tomorrow I'll have a better outlook BUT now..I'm just not that into BATB ..I WANT THE OLD SHOW BACK! I agree with you. Regarding the old show.....it's gone! And VinCat will reconcile but it will NEVER be like last season after all the hurt and nastiness that's been going on. Can you imagine V 1.0 behaving this way towards Catherine? And can you imagine Catherine 1.0 kissing every guy in sight? They've cheapened their characters and for what? Drama? I agree with someone earlier who posted "R.I.P BatB" - so true and so sad! It used to be so good and special.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 23:00:45 GMT -5
Not for nothing but the promos for Tomorrows People and Star Crossed the showed during BATB seem promising. I find interesting that the 2 themes of the show are actually what BATB is all about when you think about it. Its like they saw what people like or what made up the fervor of the beasties and are bringing it in another form because BATB doesn't have the overall viewers but may be we can be swayed into something that is similar. Just a thought. Sorry you can move this if you have to but I thought if you compare them its interesting and the fact that we BATB is going on hiatus. Thanks for suggesting those 2 shows. For me, if BatB can't do it right and stay away from all the drama of love triangles, I've lost all hope in tv shows. I'll just stick to documentaries and some movies. Just for the record, TTP does have a love triangle and a really poor one. I was actually mindly enjoying the show until I saw that it would be only about another boresome triangle. Turned off immediately.
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 23, 2014 23:05:27 GMT -5
Have a good evening everyone........I am done for today. I think I need to rethink how much time I am willing to spend thinking about this show. It is just too frustrating anymore I have honestly been on this BaTB bandwagon from the beginning..... but I think I am about to take a leap off. I don't blame you one bit. It's really sad that this show was our obsession (and still is for some) and now it's just causing us to be down and discouraged. It's a COMPLETELY different show now and not one I enjoy anymore.
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 24, 2014 0:12:07 GMT -5
They have no respect for the essence of Beauty and the Beast and the wonderful story and morals it tells becuase Vincent certainly has no morals at the moment while he's running around with the she beast and Cat is getting no better with Gabe and kissing other guys. Exactly!
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 24, 2014 0:19:58 GMT -5
Yes, the conversation with JT indicated to me that they were not a couple and that Tori was the one pursuing him and he was rejecting her. Something to that effect.
Ok, here's my take on the bar scene when Vincent saw Cat kissing that guy. Many of you think that Tori and Vincent acted like a couple but I didn't think so when I saw that part. When Tori asked Vincent "is that who you were tracking - her?" As far as Tori knew Vincent and CAt had broken up and he was moving on, so I guess it was surprising to her that he tracked Cat, because he has probably been convincing himself and Tori that he IS moving on. But it was not his intention to track Cat, but the person who attacked JT. So he was confused, hence "it's not what you think" comment. Remember he and JT were talking about this, that he didn't understand what happened, why he got his signals mixed up and JT said that Cat will mess with his head for a bit. I can't remember their exact words. Hope I haven't confused anyone.
By the way,Catherine kissed the guy because she saw Vincent walking towards her and the guy was right there at the bar, so she had to make a hasty decision because Vincent might have used her name 'CAtherine' when she was impersonating someone else. So that would have blown her cover and all hell would have broken loose. So I don't think she kissed that guy to make Vincent jealous. Thats all fine and good but Tori stormed off saying"screw you" to Vincent. Invested much? then later is all bent that he may be looking backwards at Cat instead of forward with her and he is trying to deny it. They are giving the impression that there is more going on IMO. Maybe they are not showing it physically and perhaps there have been cuts to the original story but I think they were suppose to go there and they are trying to back track or not show it at the very least are leaving it vague enough to give Cat a pass. Well, I was thinking that in her head, Tori THINKS she and Vincent are an item because of this 'primal bonding' thing, hence the "screw you" statement from her. But what you've stated also makes sense. I just don't want to even think about that though.
It boggles my mind, that after everything we went through during the Alex arc, fans were outraged and spoke loudly about how they felt and what they expected from BatB and they decided to go there AGAIN with Tori?? Why though? I actually want the producers to answer this question because they KNEW we wouldn't put up with it again , so why take that chance?
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Jan 24, 2014 0:52:39 GMT -5
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Jan 24, 2014 0:59:09 GMT -5
I will give Brad this that when he did Charmed which I loved yes Piper and Leo had their troubles and Piper did go with someone else for a short time but the essence and the core of their love for one another never changed and yes they fought and had troubles but even when they were doing that you could clearly see the love they had for one another and when the other one hurt it was clear to see, and have to admit that when I heard BK was coming on board hoped that he would show us some of that magic that Piper and Leo had to show that despite everything that was thrown at them and the troubles they had the one thing that did'nt change and they wouldn't let change more importantly was their love for one another despite what outside forces tried to destroy it their belief in each other and their love was strong enough to get them through it. Now do I see the same thing for Vincat sadly no maybe if we knew we were getting a season 3 then I'd see it again but at this time sadly no I don't mean to be so negative and hopefully my mind will change soon but
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 24, 2014 1:27:26 GMT -5
There were only five pages to read this morning, what a relief! And all the wonderful humour among the bile (I have contributed ny more than fair share) is ruly uplifting. I agree with most of you, the episode was intertaining, Karen ( Catherine Chandler) found her future husband......but we cannot evaluate it choosing to disregard the Vincent/Catherine dynamic; if we try to do that, the pieces of the puzzle will never come together to form any kind of meaningful picture. We all know what the end game is, but I am afraid that when we get there, it will already have lost all it's beauty; the relationship will be so tarnished, so cracked, that not even all the polish and glue in the universe will be able to make it shine and stick together again. That to me is tragic, because we all know what they had, and, hard as I try, I don't see how they can get us to that point again in a way that will be believable.So many other viewers have tried to reassure those who are not happy with what's been done to the love-story and keep telling us that the end game is VinCat. We all know that....it is called the Beauty and the Beast. You said it nicely, having lost all of its beauty when we get there and that it so true. But the fact is, the beauty has ALREADY been lost, the relationship has already been tarnished and cracked because we are seeing all the ugliness and nastiness going on right before our eyes and people who are not recognisable to us anymore. Season 1 Vincent & Catherine would never behave this way towards each other, they had so much respect for one another. They were people of honour and integrity, and I just wished that those in charge respected the love-story enough to save it and preserve it so that BatB 2012 will 'go down in the books' as one of the greatest love stories in recent years.
So after everything we've been seeing on screen with Vincat, it would affect us; it would bring out many emotions in us, so when we do get to that point when they reconcile, how do we suddenly turn that switch off? Some people may be able to do that but others like me, can't. The writers will no doubt redeem Vincent for Catherine, but will they be able to redeem him for the viewers? Not for me - I'm not that forgiving - I have too many unpleasant images in my head. So I pretty much know that when their kiss happens and the intimacy, I wouldn't feel anything...not after so many bad things have happened and so many lines were crossed. Those in charge went too far.
We've lost a lot - the innocence, integrity, honour, sweetness, purity and the list goes on and on... and you CANNOT realistically get that back.
So, in my opinion, the writers won't succeed in making their reconciliation believable....not for me anyway. There's no redemption for me - if Vincent has been under Tori's 'primal spell' all this time, it's still too much and again, I can't just switch off. I'm quite turned off by what's been happening.
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Post by Lisa on Jan 24, 2014 11:30:25 GMT -5
I don't see how he dropped Cat like a hot potato. Reynolds told him he needed to walk away or he would turn Cat in. Once they both realized that Reynolds was bad, they didn't even have a chance to discuss things before the shooting. Things just spiraled. I don't see that as dropping Cat, but that is just my take on the situation. Actually Vincent and Cat talked about Reynolds and what to do twice..............At Catherine's apartment, (after Vincent saved Tori and brought her to Cat's apt.), they talked about what to do about Reynolds. AND Vincent and Catherine (Tori, Gabe, JT and maybe Tess?) talked about their plan to apprehend Reynolds and get his confession at JTs place. It was Tori's influence that made Vincent decide what HE wanted to do about Reynolds. Then, Catherine was begging him to stop and not kill Reynolds.........It was squarely Vincent's choice. He disregarded everything that Catherine had discussed with him and then pleaded with him. At several points he had a chance to think and decide what he wanted to do. He chose to kill Reynolds! I meant more like sit, and really talk things out like they used to. They had quick chats, but that's it. I'm not saying what he did was right, but I still think things just spiraled for him.
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Post by Andromeda03 on Jan 24, 2014 11:52:58 GMT -5
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Jan 24, 2014 23:19:17 GMT -5
Hey guys,
I support what Andromeda just posted. We seriously want you guys to report any post where you see someone bashing an actor, character, writers and members. Please report it. IMO the lowest thing a member can do is bash an actor for playing a fake character in a TV show/movie. That's something we DO NOT tolerate at all. Even if you don't like the character, there is not need to keep bashing her/him to make everyone understand that you don't like her/him. There are other ways to express that you're not happy about the direction of the show. We also don't want to see any member trying to encourage people to stop watching the show or saying that you wish the show end. That is breaking one of the rules of the forum as well.
However, we don't want you guys to act like mods and tell people what to do. That's why we're asking you to use the report tool. Like Andromeda said, the use of the reporting tool is completely confidential. Only the staff can see the reports and act on them. We're also asking you to use it because unfortunately we cannot read and review every single comment that is posted on the forum. We try our best but members of the staff work, study and have real lives outside this forum so this is a way for us to help each other.
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 25, 2014 0:12:57 GMT -5
Does Vincent love Catherine? I am asking a legitimate question. Since ep 201. Other than being interested in her sexually, what evidence is there -- in words (not just looks)? Help me out here. I haven't been able to re-watch the episodes too many times and may have missed something. I have been wondering the same thing. And we shouldn't have to wonder, but the writing is so awful, it leaves viewers with so many unanswered questions. I don't even know what they had from episodes 2 to 7 - were they boyfriend/girlfriend? Cat introduced Vincent as her boyfriend, to her father, but they didn't really seem like that. But he hasn't said "I love you" yet.....and he hasn't even treated her as if he loved her. So who knows.
Another issue is Vincent's memory loss - recently, on twitter, a writer confirmed that Vincent's memories are back....so how are we to know that if it's not mentioned in the episodes? If that person hadn't asked the writer, some of us may never have known. So if his memories are back, it's logical that his feelings for her are back too. Still, he hasn't shown it.
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Post by Windflwr on Jan 25, 2014 0:18:40 GMT -5
Does Vincent love Catherine? I am asking a legitimate question. Since ep 201. Other than being interested in her sexually, what evidence is there -- in words (not just looks)? Help me out here. I haven't been able to re-watch the episodes too many times and may have missed something. I have been wondering the same thing. And we shouldn't have to wonder, but the writing is so awful, it leaves viewers with so many unanswered questions. I don't even know what they had from episodes 2 to 7 - were they boyfriend/girlfriend? Cat introduced Vincent as her boyfriend, to her father, but they didn't really seem like that. But he hasn't said "I love you" yet.....and he hasn't even treated her as if he loved her. So who knows.
Another issue is Vincent's memory loss - recently, on twitter, a writer confirmed that Vincent's memories are back....so how are we to know that if it's not mentioned in the episodes? If that person hadn't asked the writer, some of us may never have known. So if his memories are back, it's logical that his feelings for her are back too. Still, he hasn't shown it. I know, so strange! I guess I'll just continue to watch out of curiosity now, more than anything. BRING IT, BATBwriters. Let's see what you got!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 7:19:15 GMT -5
I have been wondering the same thing. And we shouldn't have to wonder, but the writing is so awful, it leaves viewers with so many unanswered questions. I don't even know what they had from episodes 2 to 7 - were they boyfriend/girlfriend? Cat introduced Vincent as her boyfriend, to her father, but they didn't really seem like that. But he hasn't said "I love you" yet.....and he hasn't even treated her as if he loved her. So who knows.
Another issue is Vincent's memory loss - recently, on twitter, a writer confirmed that Vincent's memories are back....so how are we to know that if it's not mentioned in the episodes? If that person hadn't asked the writer, some of us may never have known. So if his memories are back, it's logical that his feelings for her are back too. Still, he hasn't shown it. I know, so strange! I guess I'll just continue to watch out of curiosity now, more than anything. BRING IT, BATBwriters. Let's see what you got! Windflwr, I love your name; I just quoted T.S. Eliot in one of the KK threads. Waiting (patiently with faith, love and hope) is what I'm planning to do right now ( having flushed all expectations down the toilet, of course-thanks Yolie). LOL
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jan 25, 2014 10:14:13 GMT -5
I know, so strange! I guess I'll just continue to watch out of curiosity now, more than anything. BRING IT, BATBwriters. Let's see what you got! Windflwr, I love your name; I just quoted T.S. Eliot in one of the KK threads. Waiting (patiently with faith, love and hope) is what I'm planning to do right now ( having flushed all expectations down the toilet, of course-thanks Yolie). LOL You're welcome! LOL and I love T.S Eliot
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