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Post by solveig on Jan 23, 2014 12:00:22 GMT -5
I totally agree with you! When they were at the toilet door it seems to me as I were watching S1 Vincat... long time ago! really? when they were in the toilet i felt catherine was extremely uncomfortable from before she opened the door till the end and was relieved by the fact that the other guy called them so they did not kiss her body language was that of being uncomfortable i thought - after all, she was lying to him their goodbye kiss was that of affection rather than attraction i really did not see any attraction or sexual chemistry on her part if vincat were like that when they first met i dont think i would be hooked up now lol What reminded me of S1 was not the way Catherine reacted to him, but rather how he reacted to her!
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 23, 2014 12:02:31 GMT -5
really? when they were in the toilet i felt catherine was extremely uncomfortable from before she opened the door till the end and was relieved by the fact that the other guy called them so they did not kiss her body language was that of being uncomfortable i thought - after all, she was lying to him their goodbye kiss was that of affection rather than attraction i really did not see any attraction or sexual chemistry on her part if vincat were like that when they first met i dont think i would be hooked up now lol What reminded me of S1 was not the way Catherine reacted to him, but rather how he reacted to her! I THINK NOW AT THIS POINT WE ALL REALLY ARE MISSING VINCENT!!!LOL
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Post by solveig on Jan 23, 2014 12:04:37 GMT -5
What reminded me of S1 was not the way Catherine reacted to him, but rather how he reacted to her! I THINK NOW AT THIS POINT WE ALL REALLY ARE MISSING VINCENT!!!LOL Major withdrawal symptoms!!!
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Post by kiki09 on Jan 23, 2014 12:33:20 GMT -5
Watching the scene between Vincent and Catherine again at the embassy is truly fascinating. Apart from their back and forth, I found their interactions with each other here very telling. Well played KK and JR. They start off very antagonistic, but their reactions to things they say to each other is interesting. When V brings up Cat 'having her tongue down some guy's throat' and she ask him if he's jealous, I like the look on Cat face as she gages his reply. She totally does not believe him (neither do I). When she snarkily says, 'War hero? Not much of a cover,' V's reaction reminds me of the beginning of the ep, when he snaps at Tori for being out in the open and still lying about who he is. That comment from Cat clearly affected him because he still doesn't know who he is and is still lying to everyone. I think Cat noted his reaction too. But the part I found the most interesting was when he tells her JT was attacked. I'm still surprised she didn't know up to this point. But what was interesting was that Cat and V let their hostility drop for a second and actually were both concerned for JT in that moment as he relayed to her what happened. It reminded me of those times when they would be honest with each other and just talk. But then the hostility is back and we return to the snappy back and forth. The last part that got me in this scene was when Cat says, 'Don't make me shoot you again Vincent.' It's the look on his face when she mentions. I think that subject still stings for him BUT I also think that that's when he decided to mess with her and throw caution to the wind as he walked away from the bar. Either way, I found bar scene very layered and their exchanges were great to watch even though I hate when they do tit-for-tat. And this scene then coupled with the confrontation in the bedroom at the safe is just so vindictive ...........the pain he inflicts on Catherine is almost unforgivable at that moment. The look of "evil" for lack of a better term.......is hard to witness from Vincent. He wanted to hurt her, .....he relishes in the way he sees her anguish. Even when she says, "What happened to you?" do you see just a little glimmer of realization (and I have to look hard because I honestly can't be sure that he has remorse) but he hardens again and grabs the necklace and he just looks hateful to Cat. I just can't stand to see that scene again. I don't think it was to hurt her unless I'm misunderstanding the way you mean it. I think it was to test her. To see if she would do it again, which is kind of messed up but yes. I definitely think he was caught up in the moment of, 'I need the necklace for me, to figure out who I am. Who cares what happens to anyone else.' And that blinded him. I feel that they did that scene in the same way as 208 for that reason. Cause in Man Or Beast, he never thought she would shoot him but in 210 it was almost as if to say, 'do it. I don't care. You've already shot me before.' But I hope they cool it will V willfully killing people. That stuff is not easy to take. I definitely did see realization when she said, 'What happened to you?' I has to nod my head in agreement to Cat cause I was thinking the same thing. I get that Muirfield, Daddy Reynolds stuff really messed him up a lot and that is coming to the surface but I think he needed to hear those words AND from her.
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Post by jeje on Jan 23, 2014 13:36:09 GMT -5
You know how I really know that I have lost all emotional ties to VinCat as a couple? It doesn't bother me in the least to see them with other people! I actually found myself liking Cat and Patrick together and I hope they bring him back! I don't care that she kissed Gabe, it was actually kind of cute! I don't care that Vincent and Tori are together because they are 2 selfish and self-absorbed people that totally deserve eachother!
When I used to watch Smallville and Clark and Lana weren't together it used to bother me...ALOT! I hated seeing them with other people and I would just pull through it because I knew they would eventually get back together, until Lana officially left the show and then I stopped watching entirely.
No matter what the writers do at this point, I will never accept Vincent and Cat together as a couple again. Vincent has just done too much and become too cold. The Vincent from season one is dead and buried as far as I'm concerned and the writers can't bring him back at this point. This whole Tori thing is worse than the Alex arc. At least Alex and Vincent had a history together before Cat. Tori on the other hand just popped up out of nowhere and 'primal connection' or not Vincent just dropped Cat like a hot potato without any regard for her feelings and immediately took up with this woman without even putting up a fight.
The only sliver of a chance I would even consider supporting Vincent and Cat together again would be if Vincent of his own free will told Tori to take a hike and then would go through some major redemption. BUT I have the sneaking suspicion that is not gonna happen. I will not accept Cat being a second choice again.
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Post by Lisa on Jan 23, 2014 14:29:31 GMT -5
You know how I really know that I have lost all emotional ties to VinCat as a couple? It doesn't bother me in the least to see them with other people! I actually found myself liking Cat and Patrick together and I hope they bring him back! I don't care that she kissed Gabe, it was actually kind of cute! I don't care that Vincent and Tori are together because they are 2 selfish and self-absorbed people that totally deserve eachother! When I used to watch Smallville and Clark and Lana weren't together it used to bother me...ALOT! I hated seeing them with other people and I would just pull through it because I knew they would eventually get back together, until Lana officially left the show and then I stopped watching entirely. No matter what the writers do at this point, I will never accept Vincent and Cat together as a couple again. Vincent has just done too much and become too cold. The Vincent from season one is dead and buried as far as I'm concerned and the writers can't bring him back at this point. This whole Tori thing is worse than the Alex arc. At least Alex and Vincent had a history together before Cat. Tori on the other hand just popped up out of nowhere and 'primal connection' or not Vincent just dropped Cat like a hot potato without any regard for her feelings and immediately took up with this woman without even putting up a fight. The only sliver of a chance I would even consider supporting Vincent and Cat together again would be if Vincent of his own free will told Tori to take a hike and then would go through some major redemption. BUT I have the sneaking suspicion that is not gonna happen. I will not accept Cat being a second choice again. I don't see how he dropped Cat like a hot potato. Reynolds told him he needed to walk away or he would turn Cat in. Once they both realized that Reynolds was bad, they didn't even have a chance to discuss things before the shooting. Things just spiraled. I don't see that as dropping Cat, but that is just my take on the situation.
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Post by kiki09 on Jan 23, 2014 14:34:05 GMT -5
^ Yup! Things spiraled and now they aren't on good terms so none of this was actually spoken about between them.
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jan 23, 2014 17:05:06 GMT -5
I don't see how he dropped Cat like a hot potato. Reynolds told him he needed to walk away or he would turn Cat in. Once they both realized that Reynolds was bad, they didn't even have a chance to discuss things before the shooting. Things just spiraled. I don't see that as dropping Cat, but that is just my take on the situation. Actually Vincent and Cat talked about Reynolds and what to do twice..............At Catherine's apartment, (after Vincent saved Tori and brought her to Cat's apt.), they talked about what to do about Reynolds. AND Vincent and Catherine (Tori, Gabe, JT and maybe Tess?) talked about their plan to apprehend Reynolds and get his confession at JTs place. It was Tori's influence that made Vincent decide what HE wanted to do about Reynolds. Then, Catherine was begging him to stop and not kill Reynolds.........It was squarely Vincent's choice. He disregarded everything that Catherine had discussed with him and then pleaded with him. At several points he had a chance to think and decide what he wanted to do. He chose to kill Reynolds!
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Post by feezya on Jan 23, 2014 17:57:04 GMT -5
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Jan 23, 2014 18:03:18 GMT -5
Watched this episode again today and on second viewing I enjoyed it better. I could see the angst and the longing between Cat and V for the situation to be different. Their connection from their love in season 1 was still there even though they (especially V) were trying to deny it. They were both hurting and this made them fight against the pull. Some beasties (don't remember which thread) said they were sure V and T were in a relationship and having sex. Well I didn't get that feeling. Sure there was a blooper released w a pic of them about to lock lips but V is trying to fight that primordial or beastly attraction. B Kern said as much that in V's mind he sees Cat and this will prevent him from taking that step further than a kiss. Listen to what JT says at the end of 209. He acknowledges that Tori wants more from V than just (friendship {my word inserted here}) and V is fighting it. Alsi as much as we don't want to trust TPTB they did say no V/T sex. This would surely mean it is not implied either
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 23, 2014 18:54:50 GMT -5
I just got off work and see there are 20 more pages than when I left. It would take me all night to read them all, so I apologize if I'm repeating what someone else has already said. I think I'm done with this show. They took the touching story of a man whose tragic circumstances were turned around by a strong woman who saw his worth and turned it into another Arrow or TVD. Yeah, we'll eventually get that steaming hot love scene, but without the tenderness of a man humbled by love and acceptance. THAT'S what made this show different from everything else on TV and changed us all, that made us watch those scenes over and over and over again. The only reason I'd fight for a season 3 at this point was if I got assurances from TPTB that they realized their mistake and wanted to turn things back around. Sorry for the rant. I'll still write for the characters I came to love because they live on in my heart, which right now is absolutely broken.... Windflwr, I am dreading seeing VinCat kiss yet alone get intimate! Last season many were ecstatic when they kissed and made love for the first time, but some, like me didn't really feel warm and fuzzy because Vincent's behaviour during Alex arc was undesirable and unappealing. I had found that Cat deserved better. After all the garbage we've been seeing this season, how are fans going to feel about them getting intimate now?? Or even reconciling? I KNOW I wouldn't feel a thing - we've seen too much and Vincent's behaviour during this season leaves little to be desired. I don't sympathise with him, I don't respect him and I don't like him. And I think Cat deserves better. The writers keep 'picking' on him and making him so unlikeable when they should be treading carefully since he is the leading man. I'm heart-broken as well. What a MEGA MESS!
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Post by ArwenFan on Jan 23, 2014 19:53:21 GMT -5
You know how I really know that I have lost all emotional ties to VinCat as a couple? It doesn't bother me in the least to see them with other people! I actually found myself liking Cat and Patrick together and I hope they bring him back! I don't care that she kissed Gabe, it was actually kind of cute! I don't care that Vincent and Tori are together because they are 2 selfish and self-absorbed people that totally deserve eachother! When I used to watch Smallville and Clark and Lana weren't together it used to bother me...ALOT! I hated seeing them with other people and I would just pull through it because I knew they would eventually get back together, until Lana officially left the show and then I stopped watching entirely. No matter what the writers do at this point, I will never accept Vincent and Cat together as a couple again. Vincent has just done too much and become too cold. The Vincent from season one is dead and buried as far as I'm concerned and the writers can't bring him back at this point. This whole Tori thing is worse than the Alex arc. At least Alex and Vincent had a history together before Cat. Tori on the other hand just popped up out of nowhere and 'primal connection' or not Vincent just dropped Cat like a hot potato without any regard for her feelings and immediately took up with this woman without even putting up a fight. The only sliver of a chance I would even consider supporting Vincent and Cat together again would be if Vincent of his own free will told Tori to take a hike and then would go through some major redemption. BUT I have the sneaking suspicion that is not gonna happen. I will not accept Cat being a second choice again. Interesting that you raise this point. I never despised Alex, but I like her a hell of a lot more than I like Tori. As you said, Alex and Vincent had a history and it was very believable. Alex reminded me of a hurt little bird; she'd never gotten over Vincent and was trying desperately to revive the past. Tori on the other hand is opportunistic and kind of crazy. I am not convinced that there is all that much going on as far as Vincent is concerned with Tori. She is the one making all the overtures and pushing "us" and "we." Vincent stepped away from Catherine under duress put on him by Reynolds and things went from bad to worse from there. Cat was doing the cop thing and wanted to bring Reynolds to justice and Vincent was doing the "I want revenge" thing and wanted to claw his guts out. Clearly they were at odds. Then she shot him and Tori was right there to rub that in. I don't like who Vincent is right now, but I can understand why he is the way he is--given the miserable story BK has inflicted on us. I won't say that I can't see V&C together again because if it's done well, I can. KK & JR can pull it off. And it does bother me to see Catherine with other guys. Tori doesn't really bother me because she's really nothing, a bad plot device who can't act.
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Post by jemangela on Jan 23, 2014 20:12:58 GMT -5
Windflwr, I am dreading seeing VinCat kiss yet alone get intimate! Last season many were ecstatic when they kissed and made love for the first time, but some, like me didn't really feel warm and fuzzy because Vincent's behaviour during Alex arc was undesirable and unappealing. I had found that Cat deserved better. After all the garbage we've been seeing this season, how are fans going to feel about them getting intimate now?? Or even reconciling? I KNOW I wouldn't feel a thing - we've seen too much and Vincent's behaviour during this season leaves little to be desired. I don't sympathise with him, I don't respect him and I don't like him. And I think Cat deserves better. The writers keep 'picking' on him and making him so unlikeable when they should be treading carefully since he is the leading man. I'm heart-broken as well. What a MEGA MESS!My sentiments exactly...I can't even look at the promo pics of Vincent and he's a bona-fide eye candy : I must confess he's the reason I started watching Beauty and the Beast (have a fast rule that I never watch remakes of TV shows, cue in Dallas, Melrose Place, 90210)...but i couldn't pass the eye candy and then Vincat happened and I was a goner. I feel I've been robbed...
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 23, 2014 22:40:52 GMT -5
Well, that was a steaming pile of crap.
Except for Patrick (who I think was played by actor Rob Mayes from the movie John Dies at the End.) He was probably the most interesting character in the entire episode.
Other than that, I can't say I enjoyed the show at all. Vincent's character has been completely reassigned. Catherine seems to be dealing with the break-up by smooching every friendly smile that crosses her path. And the whole mystery of the Reynolds gem is just plain stupid.
Since when is JT a zoologist? I thought he was a biochemist. Not saying he can't have studied this independently, but am I the only one who doesn't remember him ever studying prehistoric versions of beasts? How much DNA would still survive from a 10,000 year old skeleton exposed to elements and varying temperatures and humidity?
I am renaming this episode "Science is Hard." Though, if there's going to be a mystical gem involved, I might have to call it "Science? What's That?" I agree with you 100%. This episode has left a sour taste in my mouth. Next week, according to the promo, does not look good either. Everybody is acting out of character, nobody is likeable, nothing makes sense and the list goes on and on......IT's hard to root for these people anymore.
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 23, 2014 22:47:07 GMT -5
Not for nothing but the promos for Tomorrows People and Star Crossed the showed during BATB seem promising. I find interesting that the 2 themes of the show are actually what BATB is all about when you think about it. Its like they saw what people like or what made up the fervor of the beasties and are bringing it in another form because BATB doesn't have the overall viewers but may be we can be swayed into something that is similar. Just a thought. Sorry you can move this if you have to but I thought if you compare them its interesting and the fact that we BATB is going on hiatus. Thanks for suggesting those 2 shows. For me, if BatB can't do it right and stay away from all the drama of love triangles, I've lost all hope in tv shows. I'll just stick to documentaries and some movies.
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