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Post by my2girls on Nov 8, 2013 12:36:03 GMT -5
Hello all, I have been MIA since the end of 1st season. I have been busy with family and the recent passing of my father.
I finally got caught up to this week's ep. Not sure if they have been discussed yet, but the last few episodes - Tess kept teasing Gabe about liking Catherine. He time he denied it. But this last episode he admitted it. Do you think he's helping her with good intentions or to get close to her?
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 8, 2013 13:03:22 GMT -5
Hello all, I have been MIA since the end of 1st season. I have been busy with family and the recent passing of my father. I finally got caught up to this week's ep. Not sure if they have been discussed yet, but the last few episodes - Tess kept teasing Gabe about liking Catherine. He time he denied it. But this last episode he admitted it. Do you think he's helping her with good intentions or to get close to her? dont think his intentions are good, but we will find out soon i guess
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Nov 8, 2013 13:31:05 GMT -5
Hello all, I have been MIA since the end of 1st season. I have been busy with family and the recent passing of my father. I finally got caught up to this week's ep. Not sure if they have been discussed yet, but the last few episodes - Tess kept teasing Gabe about liking Catherine. He time he denied it. But this last episode he admitted it. Do you think he's helping her with good intentions or to get close to her? Welcome back! Glad you are still watching. I think Gabe has some other agenda! My condolences to you and your family on your Father's passing. God Bless.
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Post by Nelly on Nov 8, 2013 13:47:52 GMT -5
^ That's what I like about Gabe. We never know what he is up to! For me that means he is a very well written character. Interesting and can't wait to find out if his intentions are good or bad.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 8, 2013 14:07:08 GMT -5
^ That's what I like about Gabe. We never know what he is up to! For me that means he is a very well written character. Interesting and can't wait to find out if his intentions are good or bad. Exactly why i like Gabe too..You don't know what he's up too..he's a mystery and that makes for a good character...same for REYNOLD good or bad or a bit of both? Love it.
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Post by ArwenFan on Nov 8, 2013 14:59:47 GMT -5
I think part of loving a show and being such dedicated fans that we all our is being critical and giving constructive criticism, otherwise a show cannot improve. So as much as I and others may complain I am sure at least the fans in this forum are in it till the end. This is pretty much true for me, or at least I think it is. I've just been so disappointed in the last 3 episodes that I could not hold in my frustration any longer. This episode just sent me into orbit. What?! Who are those people? Who could ever stop liking Vincent? In my case, that is never gonna happen. Everybody else might be kicked to the curb, but never Vincent Ryan Keller.
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Post by feezya on Nov 8, 2013 17:25:31 GMT -5
Hello all, I have been MIA since the end of 1st season. I have been busy with family and the recent passing of my father. I finally got caught up to this week's ep. Not sure if they have been discussed yet, but the last few episodes - Tess kept teasing Gabe about liking Catherine. He time he denied it. But this last episode he admitted it. Do you think he's helping her with good intentions or to get close to her? think we've never cross path coz i just came on board during summer but my sympathy on the passing of your father.
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Post by shoe20 on Nov 8, 2013 17:38:08 GMT -5
Wasn't really sure where to put this, still learning my way around.....but I know the Cat / JT fans will love it. rockin or what? LOL
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 8, 2013 18:01:15 GMT -5
Hey guys,
I am not only going to post this in this thread but also in the SPOILER AND SPECULATION thread. I think we have a few things to clear up and it calls for BOTH threads.
I understand how people are taking sides when it comes to the show. I get it. I think it has to do with what I original said in the Season 1 Never Turn Back posts. Back then we were predicting that the ONLY way the new show runners could change Vincent and the direction of the show was to memory wipe him. I said it then and to Curly for that matter that this was the easy way out of things that happened in S1 and incorporate a new vibe to the show and yet keep 'them' the characters intact. They promised us a better understanding of Vincent and the back stories of the characters but without actually taking away the dynamics of the show. BUT guess what? They have! Where things differ is how we chose to see things. How the change affects how we as the fans see things.
This season they have crossed the 'lines' of many things they said Vincent would never do. They've given Vincent a back story that we as the 'original' fans didn't know. They are trying to put down our throats that Vincent changed after he went to war and came back a beast. What bothers me the most about this is that TPTB didn't really think about what impact that would have the show and the die hard followers. We knew change was coming but did you really ever expect to Vincent 'hurt' Catherine physically? EVER? I sure the hell didn't! Did we know that Vincent was having 'flings' while on a break with Alex? HELL NO! These are things which are bought on by the new show runner and the direction of the show. I understand that a character needs many different layers to make them feel 'real' to the viewers but how they are going about this is truly so wrong in so many levels. We all know that they are using the he doesn't know what he's doing excuse cause he doesn't have his memories. I get it. That is why I also take things with a grain of salt. This is just a way to peel out the layers of who Vincent Ryan Keller was before that life changing day he decided to take the experiments.
As for the episodes I understand too why they are all over the place..They want to tell so much in little time. They also have Catherine all over the place as well but that is understanding at least to me. Give the gal a break LOL She's lost her father, has a beast of a boyfriend who came back after being captured without his memory, she sleeps with him to tray to jive his memory to only have him push her to the ground, to then lie to her about getting memories back when in fact he really didn't. That would defiantly make me want to take a step back from the guy..Wouldn't you? Cause I would NO Matter what a good lover he is and how good looking he is LOL ..She hasn't fully taken him out of her life, inf act she admits she loves hi but just needs space to understand who she is and what she really wants. We all know Vincent is end game but sometimes in love you have to set aside the matters of the heart and think with your brains and sit down and try figure out if it's worth it having this person in your life. I can't wait until Monday to see what happens with her father. Spoilers on that and what is to come already has us using a sh*itload of TUMS LOL and I think we are all whether we agree about things or not are going to need the support...We are so gonna be left with WTF is going on and WHY and HOW could she do that? Since we don't have knowledge of what is really going on we can only wait and see.
With the crazy way the show is going..I truly can't speculate what is going to happen next(I used to be good at that) BUT these days the writers are so all over the place and hitting us with WHAMMIES that I NEVER EXPECTED in a zillion years!
What I am trying to say..Is that I get BOTH sides of the discussion in the REUNION folder and I understand that we are all jumpy cause of the rating of the show and the fact that we might not get a 3rd season. BUT cause of this I say let's keep this fandom together and ENJOY the episodes GOOD or BAD or SHOCKING and UNPREDICTABLE as they may be cause PEOPLE we may not have it next YEAR! Please remember that!
I love this show, I love the actors and I truly love this forum. I'm not a mod for no reason..I love this place as if it's my own and that's cause of ALL the wonderful people in it. The discussions are out of this world, some serious some funny and some OUTRAGEOUS! Many started by yours truly. So I welcome one and welcome all ..and even though we don't see eye to eye, we are all a big BEASTY family! This show bought US ALL HERE! Just remember that!
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Post by my2girls on Nov 8, 2013 20:37:55 GMT -5
[quote source="/post/44175/thread" timestamp="1383932163" author=" my2girls" think we've never cross path coz i just came on board during summer but my sympathy on the passing of your father. [/quote] Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 21:00:46 GMT -5
Hey guys, What I am trying to say..Is that I get BOTH sides of the discussion in the REUNION folder and I understand that we are all jumpy cause of the rating of the show and the fact that we might not get a 3rd season. BUT cause of this I say let's keep this fandom together and ENJOY the episodes GOOD or BAD or SHOCKING and UNPREDICTABLE as they may be cause PEOPLE we may not have it next YEAR! Please remember that! So are we giving up already? Because I never thought you would say something like that, Yollie.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 8, 2013 21:14:57 GMT -5
Hey guys, What I am trying to say..Is that I get BOTH sides of the discussion in the REUNION folder and I understand that we are all jumpy cause of the rating of the show and the fact that we might not get a 3rd season. BUT cause of this I say let's keep this fandom together and ENJOY the episodes GOOD or BAD or SHOCKING and UNPREDICTABLE as they may be cause PEOPLE we may not have it next YEAR! Please remember that! So are we giving up already? Because I never thought you would say something like that, Yollie.No I don't give up...It's NOT in my nature, I'm an optimist BUT to be honest the last few days have taken a toll on even me. I mean I am reasonable and understanding and since I understand BOTH sides of the argument I just lost faith, NOT in the show BUT in us the fans. Of course I still believe we can turn things around and get OUR 3rd SEASON but ONLY if YOU, ME, and the rest of the PEOPLE who love this show like I do STICK together! The fat LADY hasn't sung I will stick to my guns BUT a little enthusiasm and encouragement helps LOL.. I've been mainly the cheerleader of this group since day one, a little help is appreciated LOL
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Post by ArwenFan on Nov 8, 2013 21:43:51 GMT -5
Hey guys, I understand how people are taking sides when it comes to the show. I get it. I think it has to do with what I original said in the Season 1 Never Turn Back posts. Back then we were predicting that the ONLY way the new show runners could change Vincent and the direction of the show was to memory wipe him. I said it then and to Curly for that matter that this was the easy way out of things that happened in S1 and incorporate a new vibe to the show and yet keep 'them' the characters intact. They promised us a better understanding of Vincent and the back stories of the characters but without actually taking away the dynamics of the show. BUT guess what? They have! Where things differ is how we chose to see things. How the change affects how we as the fans see things. In case anyone is unclear where I stand, I’ll just put it out there that I am a fan of the show, but I don’t follow the cast and crew on Twitter, join any campaigns, write or read fan fic, read spoilers or ship KK & JR. That said, a lot of the battles being referred to are off my radar. I do like to talk about the show with like-minded people, so I was happy to find this board. My criticisms are coming from my position as a viewer who (1) came to the party because of KK’s work in Smallville, (2) became a fan of the series because I loved the story told in Season 1 and (3) has some experience in writing and can't ignore what appears to be sloppy plotting and characterization. I don’t know why the direction of the show had to change. And when I heard about “change,” I never thought they were going to do away with the “us against the world theme.” The possibility of erasing Vincent’s memory as an option also never entered my mind. Now that we’ve been presented with all these changes, I can’t say (in all honesty) that I trust the writers to treat Vincent and Catherine respectfully or intelligently. I certainly don’t trust the new show runners’ vision for the series. I’ve never seen any show come back from the off-season and do their level best to dismantle everything that has gone on before. I did have an open mind after the season premiere. I played around with ideas about where Vincent and Catherine could go, the adventures they could have, and how the supporting characters could be involved, and figured that if I could come up with some pretty good ideas, then surely the people in charge would be ten times better in their storytelling. But aside from the pretty look of the production and the cast, the writing, pacing and plotting has been downright awful. I overlooked a lot of stuff people complained about last year because Vincent and Catherine’s story was just so charming that I was swept away and I couldn’t get bogged down in the technical aspects. Sadly, I haven’t been able to do that much so far this season; everything seems slapped together without a real plan. What little movement there is doesn’t seem organic and a lot of situations we’ve been given are over-used plot devices. Last year I thought there was at least some original thought being applied to V/C’s romance. I liked how the situations they found themselves in (as well as their reactions to said situations) weren’t predictable. I haven’t been bothered by the so-called lines Vincent’s crossed. I have been bothered by the ingenious labels that have been slapped on those character choices and the convoluted plotting that brought about the situation. I have been bothered by Catherine’s indecisiveness and susceptibility to outside influences. I don’t understand why the episodes are all over the place. I don’t understand why everyone has regressed instead of moving forward. I can’t wrap my head around why—instead of fleshing out Reynolds’ character and motivations—we’re getting random beast missions that I couldn’t care less about (especially when no effort has been put into making me care). There’s been no explanation for where all these beasts suddenly came from, or why they were created, or why they are so different from each other. Why and when were they just set loose on the general population after 10 years? The Muirfield boogie-man turned out to be the lamest thing I’ve seen in a long time and from what I can see the Reynolds story is going the same route. Where has he been all these years? What has he been doing? Why did Thomas have a picture of him? Who ran Thomas down? Why is it that people who should recognize each other, don’t? What is going on with JT? How is he faring without his best friend? What happened to his budding romance with Sara? Please let there be more to Gabe Lowan than what’s been hinted at so far because if crushing on Catherine is it, we’re doomed. And last but not least, give Tess something to do besides being a pain in the ass. If that’s not in the cards write her out and put the money they’re paying for her salary to good use on something else…like some script writers who are strong in story plotting and character driven story lines. I’m reasonably intelligent, so I don’t need everything spelled out for me, and seriously, when a script is written well enough you can figure out what’s going on without a lot of show and tell, but I do need a few bread crumbs. It makes no sense to me that precious time is wasted on Tess ragging on Gabe like they’re in high school, or badly scripted scenes of Cat with old classmates, or Reynolds bossing Vincent around over the phone when they could be laying solid groundwork for whatever the endgame is supposed to be this season. (I’m convinced that the people on this show cannot write for more than one character at a time.) I am not looking forward to Monday’s episode. They haven’t built up sufficient tension or suspense for me to care about Catherine meeting her biological father. I don’t think they could do anything to overcome the half-assed way they’ve rolled this whole scenario out. I really don’t want to watch BATB with a snarky attitude and rolling eyes, but they are pushing me dangerously close to that place. I really hope that they turn things around because no one would be happier if the show I love comes roaring back and sooner rather than later.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 21:46:50 GMT -5
I think part of loving a show and being such dedicated fans that we all our is being critical and giving constructive criticism, otherwise a show cannot improve. So as much as I and others may complain I am sure at least the fans in this forum are in it till the end. It is a relief to hear that it was a new writer for this episode. The first four episodes were really promising and consistent but this episode was so off that I started to panic. It is so essential to make a character multi-layered and flawed but it has to be done the right way. Unfortunately this episode just made a lot of people just not like Vincent anymore and that is not a good thing when Vincent is a main character. People were almost made to feel sorry for Alex, she kept all of Vincent's pictures and letters 10 years after he had died so her relationship with Vincent was very important to her. I know they said they weren't together at the time but they just threw that in there like it was nothing. This episode made me have to assume a lot of things and I don't like that good writing doesn't do that. Jen & Sherri said that they love writing characters I hope in the future they are responsible for that aspect of the show. I have a feeling this was just a glitch because of the new writer and hopefully we get back on track so I can talk about all the things I enjoyed in the episode as opposed to all the negatives. In a way, I always felt sorry for Alex and her unfortunate love story. I hate her for many reasons, but not for the way she held on to Vincent’s memory.
I don’t hate Vincent. Beast 1.0 is still too vivid in my emotional memory to change my heart just because of one stupid and incoherent episode. I kept loving him even during Alex arc. But I am very, very worried that TPTB are taking beasties for granted exactly due to the fact that we choose to put “Alex’s arc skeleton” in the deepest, darkest corner of our closet and decided to forget about it.
Because of my feelings, I dare to say many beasties have the same disposition on their hearts.
Sometimes I feel like TPTB think beasties are just stupid and that we won’t see the discrepancies and incoherencies in the show, though. And that is bad because, if the old fans can’t stand that, how can we expect to win the hearts of new (and probably skeptical) viewers?
TPTB knows that beasties don’t want to see Vincent’s or Catherine’s messed up love lives. It’s not interesting to us and, I do believe, scare fans away.
I – and I believe most of the fandom – understand that Gabriella was introduced to show Vincent how lost he would be without Catherine, that he would probably be like Zach or even worse. But why necessarily put him having an affair with her, when our collective wound about Alex isn’t completely healed?
Besides, the story of a guy going after another guy to seek revenge because his girlfriend cheated on him is not even a good plot anymore. It's overly done. Zach having a grudge against Vincent because of Gabriella is kind of pathetic, if you ask me. Gabriella was his girlfriend. She was the one that owned him respect and faithfulness. She was the one that “ripped his heart out”, not Vincent. Therefore, there was not a legitimate reason for him to go after Vincent.
Wouldn’t it be much more interesting if Gabriella was an unfortunate casualty in one of Vincent’s beastly enraged episodes and Zach found out somehow? It would be more visceral and real. And could bring back the core of what made me fall in love with Vincent. A tortured man trying to fix the mistakes of his past.
That would be a more plausible reason for Vincent to have a flashback. It would be richer, IMO. And a real reason for him to admit to Cat that not only his good memories were back, but the bad ones. It would be such a good way to have him finding out who he truly is. It would make him question his so precious missions and all that it was said to him during his reprogramming.
There’s a lot of ways to tell a story. Right now, TPTB aren’t choosing a good one. I want to believe that this won’t last, that this is only a storm and that’s why I’m still here and I’m still fighting. I just want to see my faith rewarded somehow.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Nov 8, 2013 22:02:20 GMT -5
^ I totally understand and that's my point exactly, the FANS who fell love with the show in season 1 are having a rough time coming to terms with the changes that the new show runners have given so far this season. FYI all are men writers with the exception of Jennifer and Sherri, other then that that Roger Grant I believe are the ONLY writers left from last season. What I miss the most is the romance cause as much as we get a little here and there it isn't like it used too. I'm not talking about after ep 14 I'm talking in general romance, the first meeting in the Pilot, All In, Basic Instinct, Saturn Returns,Worth(one of my fav), Out Of Control, Bridesmaid Up all those even though the cop show of the week was weak the bond was their between them and the angst and the drive of the characters connecting was there. I see less of that this season. Like I said with a few things thrown in here and there. But still unlike you I'm interesting in seeing where this is going. Why the writers chose to do the plot this way and what BIG part is Gabe and Daddy Reynolds in all of it. I do look forward to Monday's and hope for the shows sake that things get better. I love this show..I love the chemistry between Jay and Kristin and I do like that we are learning about Vincent's past even if it's a little shady LOL
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