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Post by ArwenFan on Jun 25, 2014 12:45:43 GMT -5
I strongly disagree with this POV. IMO, the beast has always been the more interesting character of the two and his journey is the most compelling He's barely a beast. He's an underwear model who sometimes beasts out. You are welcome to that opinion, of course, but it doesn't really add much to the conversation nor is it a fair assessment of the character.
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Post by ArwenFan on Jun 25, 2014 12:57:11 GMT -5
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Post by jefferen on Jun 25, 2014 13:01:27 GMT -5
AGREED!!! The writing in general left much to be desired, but this was probably the most unbelievable part. ... I would have liked to see a "real" adult conversation that built on what they had expressed in the pool in Date Night. I think Lisa and @locaxbatb and vincat4always have nailed it. The writers want to show that Catherine is unwilling and unable to sacrifice who she really is in the effort to hide Vincent. We would all agree with that and Vincent would be the first. The writers may also want to hint at the obsessive / compulsive aspect of Catherine that may make her a bit of a danger-junky. That's fine. But if they compress time so much that she seems unconcerned for exposing Vincent, then we are all troubled. And her protests sound a little hollow that "We did the right thing, Vincent. We couldn't walk away and just let somebody get away with murder. It's not who we are." As if there are no other police on the planet! She was out there interrupting the local cops in their initial investigation. She can't know anyone is going to get away with anything. The truth is: it has to be Catherine who brings about the justice. This has been her problem since Season One. But that's OK; it IS a magnificent obsession. The problem is, as @locaxbatb observes, we don't get those real, adult conversations that Vincent and Catherine need to have. Nothing they can't overcome someday. I liked Liz's comment: "She always wants to do what’s right no matter the cost. No matter what Vincent is saying you know he’s just as good as he wants to do what’s right, too. I do, however, understand why Vincent was upset and I know that she does deep down. Just a little married couple’s argument. Nothing some makeup sex can’t fix." Love the Bold Personally, Vincent referenced Catherine sleeping twice. To me IMHO, I have no doubt in my mind that they didnt christen at the very least the bedroom. Seriously are we to think Vincat slept apart? No way. And I kind of get the feeling IMO that if vincat are sharing a bed literally, I think some action had to have gone on especially since it was made pretty much made known by vincat in 219 that they need and want to make time for those activities, so after sharing a bed together in 220 I find it hard to believe they didnt have sex.
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Post by kiki09 on Jun 25, 2014 13:17:53 GMT -5
AGREED!!! The writing in general left much to be desired, but this was probably the most unbelievable part. ... I would have liked to see a "real" adult conversation that built on what they had expressed in the pool in Date Night. I think Lisa and @locaxbatb and vincat4always have nailed it. The writers want to show that Catherine is unwilling and unable to sacrifice who she really is in the effort to hide Vincent. We would all agree with that and Vincent would be the first. The writers may also want to hint at the obsessive / compulsive aspect of Catherine that may make her a bit of a danger-junky. That's fine. But if they compress time so much that she seems unconcerned for exposing Vincent, then we are all troubled. And her protests sound a little hollow that "We did the right thing, Vincent. We couldn't walk away and just let somebody get away with murder. It's not who we are." As if there are no other police on the planet! She was out there interrupting the local cops in their initial investigation. She can't know anyone is going to get away with anything. The truth is: it has to be Catherine who brings about the justice. This has been her problem since Season One. But that's OK; it IS a magnificent obsession. The problem is, as @locaxbatb observes, we don't get those real, adult conversations that Vincent and Catherine need to have. Nothing they can't overcome someday. I liked Liz's comment: "She always wants to do what’s right no matter the cost. No matter what Vincent is saying you know he’s just as good as he wants to do what’s right, too. I do, however, understand why Vincent was upset and I know that she does deep down. Just a little married couple’s argument. Nothing some makeup sex can’t fix." Agreed 100% nothing to add.
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Post by Laura on Jun 25, 2014 14:57:03 GMT -5
Totally agree with your post... and the bold part... it bothered me a lot... I think they have failed in the Catherine's character development this season... I feel like she went few steps backward... I feel like that is where the writers screwed up a bit. I understand what they were going for with Cat, but they shouldn't have made it be the very next morning. It should have said...one week later...or something. Even the biggest of control freaks can take one morning off and enjoy breakfast with their boyfriend. Totally agree! As I said before, a "two weeks later" caption would have helped set the scene much better. They've messed up enough with character development this season, starting with that shove (which I'd rather forget), and just when you think they are finally getting it right, there goes an episode which is badly told. I really love the message this episode had, or was trying to have I loved the fact that they wanted to emphasize the importance of seeking justice and caring for other people no matter what. But they didn't deliver writing-wise. I think the mediocre writing had an adverse effect on the message/plot. One more thing: I hated 2x10, I think everyone and their mother knows this There were lines in that episode which made my blood boil. But there is this thing in this episode that Vincent says to Cat: "Maybe you're trying to find a way to sabotage this whole thing to expose us!" which really annoyed me too. I'm not saying it was a really bad episode; all I'm trying to say is that considering how few episodes are left of this season, this should have been written much better. Not good enough story-telling which ultimately detracted from the great message they wanted to get across.
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Jun 25, 2014 14:58:11 GMT -5
the whole point of the season was about Cat finding herself and figuring out who she is outside of Vincent, and not letting Vincent define her. If she just denied who she is in this episode then what was the point of the whole arc this whole season? Yeah I get where you guys are coming true but why is it always that Cat has to give up who she is for Vincent. Cat is who she is, if she changed and was doing everything V wanted then we'd be complaining where's our old Cat like a lot did this season and now its like people don't like how Cat couldn't turn off her cop instincts cuz they r in hiding. Yes I get it all, I understand you guys point of view but I just don't think its realistic. They we're put in a situation that was out of their control and had to adapt the best they could. If she would have turned a blind eye to what was going on then what kind of cop would she be? Haven't read all comments about this but, in my case, I don't complain about Catherine pursuing the crime that happened in front of their noses but her behaviour from the first morning they are in the house! She was literally glued to her laptop and later while reading the newspaper, just LOOKING FOR CRIMES TO SOLVE!!! That is what really tickles me!! The solving crime later, totally understandable and I can see that C wanted to solve the mystery
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Jun 25, 2014 15:03:20 GMT -5
He's barely a beast. He's an underwear model who sometimes beasts out. You are welcome to that opinion, of course, but it doesn't really add much to the conversation nor is it a fair assessment of the character. Oh my... I wonder how people would react if this comment was made regarding Catherine... Seriously? I find it profoundly disrespectful to Jay... Thanks, Arwenfan, for your comment.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 25, 2014 15:18:19 GMT -5
I feel like that is where the writers screwed up a bit. I understand what they were going for with Cat, but they shouldn't have made it be the very next morning. It should have said...one week later...or something. Even the biggest of control freaks can take one morning off and enjoy breakfast with their boyfriend. Totally agree! As I said before, a "two weeks later" caption would have helped set the scene much better. They've messed up enough with character development this season, starting with that shove (which I'd rather forget), and just when you think they are finally getting it right, there goes an episode which is badly told. I really love the message this episode had, or was trying to have I loved the fact that they wanted to emphasize the importance of seeking justice and caring for other people no matter what. But they didn't deliver writing-wise. I think the mediocre writing had an adverse effect on the message/plot. One more thing: I hated 2x10, I think everyone and their mother knows this There were lines in that episode which made my blood boil. But there is this thing in this episode that Vincent says to Cat: "Maybe you're trying to find a way to sabotage this whole thing to expose us!" which really annoyed me too. I'm not saying it was a really bad episode; all I'm trying to say is that considering how few episodes are left of this season, this should have been written much better. Not good enough story-telling which ultimately detracted from the great message they wanted to get across. a 50 years later caption would have been more like it lol - just kidding kind of
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 25, 2014 15:19:51 GMT -5
You are welcome to that opinion, of course, but it doesn't really add much to the conversation nor is it a fair assessment of the character. Oh my... I wonder how people would react if this comment was made regarding Catherine... Seriously? I find it profoundly disrespectful to Jay... Thanks, Arwenfan, for your comment. hugely disrespectful.
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Post by beastinthehouse on Jun 25, 2014 16:08:45 GMT -5
He's barely a beast. He's an underwear model who sometimes beasts out. You are welcome to that opinion, of course, but it doesn't really add much to the conversation nor is it a fair assessment of the character. You may have had a point last year, where he couldn't control his beast. Now he's just a superhero who beast on/off whenever he wants: he can blur away, see crimes in his mind with his super tracking ability, has super strength, and he looks like an underwear model when his shirt is off. The beauty and beast lip lock and bang each other whenever they can, and most of the time, he's never a beast, so how is it even relevant to the fairy tale? It's not. Sorry if that bothers you, but it's the show's reality.
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Post by Laura on Jun 25, 2014 17:19:30 GMT -5
You are welcome to that opinion, of course, but it doesn't really add much to the conversation nor is it a fair assessment of the character. Oh my... I wonder how people would react if this comment was made regarding Catherine... Seriously? I find it profoundly disrespectful to Jay... Thanks, Arwenfan, for your comment. This makes me sad! I hope the post is about the character, not the actor. You can hate characters all you want, but bashing an actor, a real nonfictional person, is simply unacceptable.
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Post by beastinthehouse on Jun 25, 2014 17:44:53 GMT -5
Where did I say anything about the actors? Please spare me the offense and the self-righteous indignation. This coming from a group that talks non-stop about bananas, suck face, desiring sex scenes, and has a forum dedicated to shipping the actors outside of their real life relationships. Give me a break.
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Post by vincat4always on Jun 25, 2014 18:21:46 GMT -5
You are welcome to that opinion, of course, but it doesn't really add much to the conversation nor is it a fair assessment of the character. You may have had a point last year, where he couldn't control his beast. Now he's just a superhero who beast on/off whenever he wants: he can blur away, see crimes in his mind with his super tracking ability, has super strength, and he looks like an underwear model when his shirt is off. The beauty and beast lip lock and bang each other whenever they can, and most of the time, he's never a beast, so how is it even relevant to the fairy tale? It's not. Sorry if that bothers you, but it's the show's reality. The relevant to the fairy tale is that he is a beast whether he looks it 24/7 or doesn't has nothing to do with it. I don't know what show you are watching but his shirt is barely off. I can count on one hand how many times his shirt was off this season. Last year he couldn't control his beast when that side affect was happening but after that he could. The show is not called "the beast" its called beauty and the beast and its plotline is the love story between them not simply Vincent.
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Post by vincat4always on Jun 25, 2014 18:26:02 GMT -5
I have to say beastinthehouse didn't bash Jay Ryan, he bashed the character of Vincent and the "beast", though I might not agree with him. He has a right to his opinion as this is a forum about "beauty and the beast". I think everyone needs to take a step back before it gets out of control and everyone bashes our friend beastinthehouse over here.
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Post by vincat4always on Jun 25, 2014 18:31:40 GMT -5
the whole point of the season was about Cat finding herself and figuring out who she is outside of Vincent, and not letting Vincent define her. If she just denied who she is in this episode then what was the point of the whole arc this whole season? Yeah I get where you guys are coming true but why is it always that Cat has to give up who she is for Vincent. Cat is who she is, if she changed and was doing everything V wanted then we'd be complaining where's our old Cat like a lot did this season and now its like people don't like how Cat couldn't turn off her cop instincts cuz they r in hiding. Yes I get it all, I understand you guys point of view but I just don't think its realistic. They we're put in a situation that was out of their control and had to adapt the best they could. If she would have turned a blind eye to what was going on then what kind of cop would she be? Haven't read all comments about this but, in my case, I don't complain about Catherine pursuing the crime that happened in front of their noses but her behaviour from the first morning they are in the house! She was literally glued to her laptop and later while reading the newspaper, just LOOKING FOR CRIMES TO SOLVE!!! That is what really tickles me!! The solving crime later, totally understandable and I can see that C wanted to solve the mystery I do understand your opinion as well but the way I see it that's something she probably did every morning so its hard for her to just shut it off entirely. As for the newspaper she was talking about the Yankees no? I tried to get what she said right before V stormed out of the room but I got no clue? And Vincent just wanted her to forget about NY all together not just the cop part but everything. Vincent was living a bit in a fantasy world lol and I completely get it because he hasn't had normalcy in a verrrryyy looonnnggg time and he was looking forward to having it with Cat.
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