|
Post by vincerine on Feb 21, 2013 12:05:00 GMT -5
Once again, Vincent is a good person, but not necessarily a perfect guy/boyfriend for a girl, he got his issues that he cannot overcome. We all want what V and C have is perfect, pure and epic love, but there is a reason why their love is so epic in the end. It is not because once they meet and "bang" they are in love with each other forever without any issues or difficulties that those "common couples" have, but because it is so hard for them to have a normal relationship as those "common couples" do, with both normal couples' problems (trust issues) and their abnormal issues (the beast thing), and in the end they still go through all of them and believe they belong with each other. That is why "beauty and the beast" is so attractive to us. I am not sure whether I explain my points clearly with my crappy English. Hopefully, you guys give me some feedback to my first reply here. First, Welcome, vincerine! For someone who thinks they have "crappy English" you did a wonderful, concise explanation of why you think Vincent acted the way he did. I can certainly agree with many of those points and sympathize with his desires for normalcy. I liked what you said about Vincent and Catherine and why we all see their relationship as that "epic" lovestory. I think, once Vincent realized that everything was just a 'fantasy' for him, I would of liked to hear more from Vincent of what Catherine means to him!! I don't remember for some reason, but did Vincent ever say the words "I'm sorry" to Catherine?? He said "I'm sorry" to Alex twice in the warehouse......but did he say he was really sorry to Catherine. Vincent said "thank you" to Catherine several times, but I just can't remember the "I'm sorry or forgive me?" suzieq: thank you very much for your feed back! About the "sorry" part, as much as I recall he did not say that yet, although he apologized to C when he came to her when she was jogging in the morning, for "Alex showing up in your apartment", with the smile on his face indicating he did not realize how heartbroken C was as for the "romantic Cabin weekend". However, after the whole "Alex" thing he did not say sorry to C, he was just full of "thank you". I guess that is because they did not officially commit to the "boyfriend-girlfriend" relationship before Alex appeared. The wedding was an opportunity but V was hurt by C's backing-off after hearing the mutation. THere are good chances that he was not sure whether he had a right to say sorry for breaking her heart as if he was already her official boy friend, not to mention after he went with Alex. All the "thank you"s after C saved his ass in epi 12 including those he said on the roof in the morning and in the living room at night on Valentine's day, contained apology, but not explicitly. I knew it sucked, but I guess it means V is still not very confident how far he can go with C in this relationship and what commitment he can give to C in the future. "Thank you" from a friend seems a convenient way of not "losing his face" in front of the woman he loves in case she rejects him. Anyway, he is still not brave and confident enough that they can make it at this moment. Hopefully, they can have more progress in their relationship in the proceeding epis. By the way, this is the most "reserved" or "pure" romantic American tv shows I have ever watched as an Asian in the past ten years. Some asian romantic tv shows are famous for their successful "pure" style by showing the epic love without any "hot" scenes where the couple seldom has physical touch with each other. THus, I used to think it is the Asian characteristic to get audience crazy about romantic relationship with very moving but reserved scenes, but BATB changed my opinion. TUrns out American tv shows can also shoot such impressive epic love with gradual and reserved relationship building-up scenes. That is such a surprise for me and gets me so obsessed with the "impossible and forbidden" love and I dont know why, but kindda love this style. To be honest, I do not think V and C will have physical scenes ( :Pif you know what I mean) very soon according to the way the writers tell their story so far, which is pretty good and smart. The attraction of the epic love story lies in the "forbidden and impossible" part, where they cannot be together in a blessed relationship no matter how much they are in love with each other. It is like the happiness seems so close to them, but they just cannot reach it and see the fate separate them again and again. Once they get it, it is close to the end of the show. It is really hard for the writers because they will lose impatient audience if they are too slow but lose the future creation space if they are too fast
|
|
|
Post by vincerine on Feb 21, 2013 12:06:48 GMT -5
suzieq[glow=red,2,300][/glow]: thank you very much for your feed back! About the "sorry" part, as much as I recall he did not say that yet, although he apologized to C when he came to her when she was jogging in the morning, for "Alex showing up in your apartment", with the smile on his face indicating he did not realize how heartbroken C was as for the "romantic Cabin weekend". However, after the whole "Alex" thing he did not say sorry to C, he was just full of "thank you". I guess that is because they did not officially commit to the "boyfriend-girlfriend" relationship before Alex appeared. The wedding was an opportunity but V was hurt by C's backing-off after hearing the mutation. THere are good chances that he was not sure whether he had a right to say sorry for breaking her heart as if he was already her official boy friend, not to mention after he went with Alex. All the "thank you"s after C saved his ass in epi 12 including those he said on the roof in the morning and in the living room at night on Valentine's day, contained apology, but not explicitly. I knew it sucked, but I guess it means V is still not very confident how far he can go with C in this relationship and what commitment he can give to C in the future. "Thank you" from a friend seems a convenient way of not "losing his face" in front of the woman he loves in case she rejects him. Anyway, he is still not brave and confident enough that they can make it at this moment. Hopefully, they can have more progress in their relationship in the proceeding epis. By the way, this is the most "reserved" or "pure" romantic American tv shows I have ever watched as an Asian in the past ten years. Some asian romantic tv shows are famous for their successful "pure" style by showing the epic love without any "hot" scenes where the couple seldom has physical touch with each other. THus, I used to think it is the Asian characteristic to get audience crazy about romantic relationship with very moving but reserved scenes, but BATB changed my opinion. TUrns out American tv shows can also shoot such impressive epic love with gradual and reserved relationship building-up scenes. That is such a surprise for me and gets me so obsessed with the "impossible and forbidden" love and I dont know why, but kindda love this style. To be honest, I do not think V and C will have physical scenes ( if you know what I mean) very soon according to the way the writers tell their story so far, which is pretty good and smart. The attraction of the epic love story lies in the "forbidden and impossible" part, where they cannot be together in a blessed relationship no matter how much they are in love with each other. It is like the happiness seems so close to them, but they just cannot reach it and see the fate separate them again and again. Once they get it, it is close to the end of the show. It is really hard for the writers because they will lose impatient audience if they are too slow but lose the future creation space if they are too fast Read more: saveeachother.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=episode&thread=201&page=13#ixzz2LYRj0cYe
|
|
|
Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Feb 21, 2013 13:26:38 GMT -5
That voice over was during the "Nine years ago" segment, the previouslies if you will. Watch from the beginning and you will hear Cat say that...again, just like the promos at times, lines are cut and it really BUGS me!!! Aargh...also, notice that we never got that scene where Cat says something along the lines of "How do I know you will catch me when I fall?"...they were sitting in the warehouse and that was in the promo/extended promo I believe. I really think a lot of scenes were cut during this Alex arc, probably significant ones too which would have helped make Vincent's choices/actions clear to the viewer. Ewww, I'm also thinking maybe some Vincent/Alex scenes may have been cut too...what if some of those scenes were WORSE than what we got..I don't even think I want to ponder that one. Oh thanks so much.....I missed that totally,.......and you're right, the Cat comment was cut too. Wow,......I wonder if they will include some of the deleted footage on the Season 1 DVD? Seems like there is quite of bit of extra footage. Then we will know the whole story!!
|
|
|
Post by djarrett on Mar 5, 2013 22:41:50 GMT -5
Watched the re-run tonight... That slow sexy stalk of Vincent's across the living room still makes me catch my breath. LOL
|
|
|
Post by VinCat❤Destined on Mar 5, 2013 22:49:01 GMT -5
Watched the re-run tonight... That slow sexy stalk of Vincent's across the living room still makes me catch my breath. LOL Yeah like a predator going for it's prey?? Or a Lion to the Lamb? LOL I re-watch that part so often it's not funny! Oh and TOTALLY is my new sexy word!
|
|
|
Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Mar 6, 2013 1:21:14 GMT -5
there is an understory to claire... she looks to affected by all of this! Watched Trust No One again tonight. When Claire made her comment that "love makes you do crazy things", a theory popped into my head. What if Claire was the pregnant wife of that guy Vincent killed behind a bar 5 years ago? The one Silverfox told Cat about when he kidnapped her? She took it pretty personally about "Keller" taking out a team of theirs. And which team was her contact guy talking about? The one in Cold Turkey or the one Silverfox was running in Basic Instinct? See, I need new episodes . . . need new info to dissect like crazy! Miss my fav show!
|
|
|
Post by evanarose on Mar 6, 2013 4:50:43 GMT -5
^That's a really good call if that's the case! I really think that quote was not random...I have a feeling it's a hint to us viewers that there's more to see and find out with her character and it will lead to a storyline...Well, it should. I think it would make things interesting!
|
|
|
Post by VinCat❤Destined on Mar 6, 2013 4:56:17 GMT -5
^That's a really good call if that's the case! I really think that quote was not random...I have a feeling it's a hint to us viewers that there's more to see and find out with her character and it will lead to a storyline...Well, it should. I think it would make things interesting! I have to agree that there is more to this with Claire, maybe Silverfox was her FATHER?? Who knows LOL either way it would be nice to know where things are going with this.. Oh and evanarose??? Your sig is so distracting! LOL I have to stop and watch before I post...hoping I get more as I watch! LOL!
|
|
|
Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Mar 6, 2013 7:17:06 GMT -5
About Claire, there was some tweet chat with writters some days ago and someone asked them why the Beast didn't hurt Claire when she was about to shoot Alex.. And writers replied something like: "beast only kills BAD people"... So... Claire is not fully a bad person? maybe just made wrong choices out of some personal reasons?? Somehow like Evan is doing now??
|
|
|
Post by senora kent on Mar 9, 2013 9:55:20 GMT -5
am i the only one who is annoyed and bothered when Vincent said "no its fine, i'll just have to win her trust back" to JT. .?? like hello dude, you're supposed to be super worried and grovelling hard to win her back. not just like, eh, she'll come around. heck, even in the last scene in Cold Turkey he looks upset, guilty and kinda have teary eyes. but this?? and ugh he even said "you're not making it easy" to Cat later. dude needs to sit down and reevaluate on how he behaved lately. its just that i dont want Cat to forgive him that easy. but im not gonna lie, Tough Love just nailed it. its just when i watch back episode 10-12 im just mad
|
|
|
Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Mar 9, 2013 10:13:44 GMT -5
About Claire, there was some tweet chat with writters some days ago and someone asked them why the Beast didn't hurt Claire when she was about to shoot Alex.. And writers replied something like: "beast only kills BAD people"... So... Claire is not fully a bad person? maybe just made wrong choices out of some personal reasons?? Somehow like Evan is doing now?? Thanks for bringing that bit of Tweet here. With so many of the BaTB staff tweeting it is hard to follow everything and I miss a lot. So this is very interesting.............Claire is not a "bad person"?? Yet, didn't she kill someone,.....Alex's Journalist friend? And she would have killed Alex if Vincent hadn't of stopped her. Hmmmmm......
|
|
|
Post by ArwenFan on Mar 9, 2013 13:18:54 GMT -5
am i the only one who is annoyed and bothered when Vincent said "no its fine, i'll just have to win her trust back" to JT. .?? like hello dude, you're supposed to be super worried and grovelling hard to win her back. not just like, eh, she'll come around. heck, even in the last scene in Cold Turkey he looks upset, guilty and kinda have teary eyes. but this?? and ugh he even said "you're not making it easy" to Cat later. dude needs to sit down and reevaluate on how he behaved lately. its just that i dont want Cat to forgive him that easy. but im not gonna lie, Tough Love just nailed it. its just when i watch back episode 10-12 im just mad I am not sure how old you are--age and experience tends to influence how you look at things--but I have a different perspective on the V/C "romantic setback." The most important thing Vincent has to win back is Catherine's trust. He knows she cares deeply for him, she's told him and her actions have proved that. But while she cares for him, her trust has been shaken to the point of withholding her emotions from him, and he cannot get that back without earning her trust 100%. It's not about being "super worried or grovelling," it's about making sure she understands and knows that he is serious, committed and worthy of her trust (and love). V/C are adults, meaning they've been around the block a couple of times and are no longer interested in playing games. A serious relationship isn't about one upmanship, it's about recognizing mistakes and missteps will happen, forgiving when they do, and moving forward in total commitment, faith, trust and love going forward. Anyway, that's my two cents on the subject.
|
|
|
Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Mar 9, 2013 13:51:49 GMT -5
Nicely said, Arwenfan.
I think, for me, I didn't really want Vincent to grovel, but to work hard to show that he was sincere and that he was dedicating himself to win back Cat's trust.
I think that Vincent is a bit rough around the edges and I would like to see him soften toward Cat in order to show her how he feels. I agree with senora kent that he did sound a little nonchalant about 'winning back her trust' .....like it would just take time and she'll come around type of thing. But, I didn't take it like that, only that he knew that TRUST was the only way he was going to convince Catherine to forgive him and they could move forward. He also sounded like he didn't really have a clue how to do it......and J.T. had to shed some light in that it wouldn't just be about TRUST but LOVE! I'll give Vincent some slack in that he has been out of the dating/wooing scene for a while and he needs to be instructed. Of course, Catherine is a tougher nut to crack with all her defenses up.......I did want to see Vincent try harder, but Catherine, poor girl, CAVED!! ;D
|
|
|
Post by ArwenFan on Mar 9, 2013 15:03:00 GMT -5
I think that Vincent is a bit rough around the edges and I would like to see him soften toward Cat in order to show her how he feels........I did want to see Vincent try harder, but Catherine, poor girl, CAVED!! ;D Thanks for the kind words, susieq. I totally agree that Vincent is rough around the edges, but I also think that part of his charm is his roughness. He's been out of the game for a long time and he's got that whole mutant DNA thing going on, but never have I doubted--not for one second--that he is hopelessly in love with Catherine. Part of the fun will be watching him become more relaxed, more confident and more demonstrative under the warmth of Catherine's love. It's possible that I'm misunderstanding the desire to see Vincent try harder. I'm interpreting it as having to wade through a few weeks of "V/C at odds" episodes, and I have to say I would be grinding my teeth down to nubs if I had to sit through that. No, I was completely satisfied with the escalation of V-Day gifts as a metaphor for trying harder. The originality and sense of joy in the last one would have won me over, too. You gotta love a guy who can think outside of the box. ;D
|
|
|
Post by senora kent on Mar 12, 2013 6:41:11 GMT -5
i totally agree with you ArwenFan and suzieq about the whole trust issue. Cat even said it so many times in this episode and plus, trust is the running theme of this episode. but i just kinda not like the way Cat put the things that happened in recent episodes behind her that soon because of the whole 'doing the right thing' which also doesn't seem fit and i feel there's more that should have been said and explained. anyway i guess we all pretty much have moved on from this triangle mess as we all got the ILYs and epic first kiss right. can't wait what the next brings
|
|