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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 17, 2013 23:23:20 GMT -5
ok gus
I have watched the episode - and yes, I am heartbroken but at the same time it all makes sense to me now
U know how I have been saying things are a bit off or a lot off , what is wrong here, i cannot feel it etc etc. it all made sense in this episode - things need to get really bad before they get better and they do need to find themselves before they can truly be together. the journey of self discovery has not started yet, it is about to start soon.
i prefer how it worked now and yes the kiss was a really bold move from the writers and i am sure now there will be Gabe involvement too with Cat, but I can now understand how the writers have thought it out, it makes sense to me. and the difference guys with TVD is that here it is very obvious (despite any kisses) that these two only really have feelings for each other and that will not change, and i believe taht as a viewer despite what happened.
IT DOES ALL MAKE SENSE TO ME NOW MORE THAN IT DID IN THE PAST FEW EPISODES
PEOPLE PLEASE KEEP THE FAITH AND PLEASE KEEP VOTING FOR THE SHOW, THIS IS GOING TO GET MUCH BETTER, I THINK THIS ACTUALLY NEEDED TO HAPPEN AND MORE WILL HAPPEN TOO ON CAT'S PART, BUT I THINK WE WILL BE COMPENSATED FOR SURE.
PLEASE KEEP THE FAITH AND THE VOTING GOING!
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Nov 17, 2013 23:24:02 GMT -5
I was really knee jerk angry earlier, before I even watched. After watching, I'm no less disgusted. I think they have ruined the show. That is my full take on the whole situation. I don't know why fans would stay. I really hate it when people are this negative, so I will probably peace out for a while. I'm sorry that I have been dragged down into the negativity, but I LOVED this show, and they have literally RUINED it for me now. It's just too much. I will keep watching for a few more episodes but I'm not interested in a tired CW love triangle. That is actually the number one reason why I quit shows like TVD.
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Post by cheyde on Nov 17, 2013 23:26:16 GMT -5
welp.. vincat get further away from ever coming to a resolution or meet halfway. Catherine, go on girlfriend you need a break from Vincent he doesn't deserve her at this point soon. Scooby gang sacrifice a lot to help Vincent, and he retreats back into "jekyll-hyde" jerk.. Tori's storyline similar to Alex's... too needy of Vincent & he falls for it. no chemistry in their kiss whatsoever, she seems like a "little sister" type than potential love beast interest. JT/Tess banter was fun and didn't expect their kiss thought it was funny. no originality in the love-triangle-esque/leave my daughter or else angle... so predictable to semi separate vincat like that. episode was on pace, Reynolds was great manipulating Vincent/Catherine not knowing who he is yet.. Vincent/tori tooo soon man!
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Post by Naná on Nov 17, 2013 23:27:24 GMT -5
Well, Jay and Kristin said in the interviews that this season will be questionable...so..we are there.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 17, 2013 23:36:48 GMT -5
The more i am thinking about it the more i think this needed to happen, not necessarily how it played out, but they needed to be completely broken and this is one of the ways of doing it. i will re-watch and post my review later on but it will be a positive one
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Post by vincat2013 on Nov 17, 2013 23:37:24 GMT -5
Knee jerk reactions or not, this is not the stuff we beasties wanna see. We want the love and romance back from season 1!!!!
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Nov 17, 2013 23:37:48 GMT -5
ok gus I have watched the episode - and yes, I am heartbroken but at the same time it all makes sense to me now U know how I have been saying things are a bit off or a lot off , what is wrong here, i cannot feel it etc etc. it all made sense in this episode - things need to get really bad before they get better and they do need to find themselves before they can truly be together. the journey of self discovery has not started yet, it is about to start soon. i prefer how it worked now and yes the kiss was a really bold move from the writers and i am sure now there will be Gabe involvement too with Cat, but I can now understand how the writers have thought it out, it makes sense to me. and the difference guys with TVD is that here it is very obvious (despite any kisses) that these two only really have feelings for each other and that will not change, and i believe taht as a viewer despite what happened. IT DOES ALL MAKE SENSE TO ME NOW MORE THAN IT DID IN THE PAST FEW EPISODES PEOPLE PLEASE KEEP THE FAITH AND PLEASE KEEP VOTING FOR THE SHOW, THIS IS GOING TO GET MUCH BETTER, I THINK THIS ACTUALLY NEEDED TO HAPPEN AND MORE WILL HAPPEN TOO ON CAT'S PART, BUT I THINK WE WILL BE COMPENSATED FOR SURE. PLEASE KEEP THE FAITH AND THE VOTING GOING! Glad to hear something positive! I hope I "see" what you are seeing and feel the same!
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Nov 17, 2013 23:44:17 GMT -5
We should have known the writers were going to go this way. They have been pushing buttons all season; starting with the infamous shove proving that "Vincent would never hurt me" was no longer valid. I realize they want us to be patient and see how this plays out, but they have just thrown away too much of what made the show a fan favorite.
Where is the "Epic" love story? Where is the "romance"? Where is the couple we loved and voted for every possible moment we could?
What are they thinking? How can VinCat possibly recover? Better yet, how can WE recover? I'm spitting mad right now, that I have wasted a minute of my time supporting this show. That is exactly how I feel. Now I realize what a monumental waste of time that has been. I need to take a time out. I can't seem to control what I say. Don't take a timeout yet! Pull out the angry, red-faced, yelling smiley and the angry mob smiley and use them to vent your frustrations. The first one is what got me through On Thin Ice and Cold Turkey. It was an amazing coping mechanism.
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Post by didar on Nov 17, 2013 23:49:32 GMT -5
ok gus I have watched the episode - and yes, I am heartbroken but at the same time it all makes sense to me now U know how I have been saying things are a bit off or a lot off , what is wrong here, i cannot feel it etc etc. it all made sense in this episode - things need to get really bad before they get better and they do need to find themselves before they can truly be together. the journey of self discovery has not started yet, it is about to start soon. i prefer how it worked now and yes the kiss was a really bold move from the writers and i am sure now there will be Gabe involvement too with Cat, but I can now understand how the writers have thought it out, it makes sense to me. and the difference guys with TVD is that here it is very obvious (despite any kisses) that these two only really have feelings for each other and that will not change, and i believe taht as a viewer despite what happened. IT DOES ALL MAKE SENSE TO ME NOW MORE THAN IT DID IN THE PAST FEW EPISODES PEOPLE PLEASE KEEP THE FAITH AND PLEASE KEEP VOTING FOR THE SHOW, THIS IS GOING TO GET MUCH BETTER, I THINK THIS ACTUALLY NEEDED TO HAPPEN AND MORE WILL HAPPEN TOO ON CAT'S PART, BUT I THINK WE WILL BE COMPENSATED FOR SURE. PLEASE KEEP THE FAITH AND THE VOTING GOING! I agree with everything you said there! I actually genuinely loved the episode. I know it's painful in some parts but the story is going somewhere now! Like you said, KEEP THE FAITH AND VOTING GOING!
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Post by Toziva_NCIS on Nov 17, 2013 23:54:44 GMT -5
I think so far it has been the best epi of season 2, it is so intense, dramatic, desperate, heartbreaking and amazing!
Finally I feel interested again on this show now because in the past couple of weeks I thought the story and tension was still weak. Now it is so much better. I really want to say "Nice job, writers!"
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Nov 17, 2013 23:56:25 GMT -5
ok gus I have watched the episode - and yes, I am heartbroken but at the same time it all makes sense to me now U know how I have been saying things are a bit off or a lot off , what is wrong here, i cannot feel it etc etc. it all made sense in this episode - things need to get really bad before they get better and they do need to find themselves before they can truly be together. the journey of self discovery has not started yet, it is about to start soon. i prefer how it worked now and yes the kiss was a really bold move from the writers and i am sure now there will be Gabe involvement too with Cat, but I can now understand how the writers have thought it out, it makes sense to me. and the difference guys with TVD is that here it is very obvious (despite any kisses) that these two only really have feelings for each other and that will not change, and i believe taht as a viewer despite what happened. IT DOES ALL MAKE SENSE TO ME NOW MORE THAN IT DID IN THE PAST FEW EPISODES PEOPLE PLEASE KEEP THE FAITH AND PLEASE KEEP VOTING FOR THE SHOW, THIS IS GOING TO GET MUCH BETTER, I THINK THIS ACTUALLY NEEDED TO HAPPEN AND MORE WILL HAPPEN TOO ON CAT'S PART, BUT I THINK WE WILL BE COMPENSATED FOR SURE. PLEASE KEEP THE FAITH AND THE VOTING GOING! I agree with everything you said there! I actually genuinely loved the episode. I know it's painful in some parts but the story is going somewhere now! Like you said, KEEP THE FAITH AND VOTING GOING! yes it makes sense now, it is going somewhere. what they had in the past few episodes, season 2, was not epic. it will be at the end of this, i will keep my faith to the writers and i will keep voting. i am so glad really to have this forum and speak to all u people
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Post by kiki09 on Nov 17, 2013 23:57:12 GMT -5
The more i am thinking about it the more i think this needed to happen, not necessarily how it played out, but they needed to be completely broken and this is one of the ways of doing it. i will re-watch and post my review later on but it will be a positive one Exactly. I agree 100% I am royally pisses off but they want to break down them to the core and then work on rebuilding them again. No one can tell me that the Vincent and Catherine we've been seeing is truly a couple, 100% committed like they were by the end of last season. The people we see now, are not even close to those people and that IMO is why they took this (ever risky) route. Cat can keep pretending but she does not fully trust V, not the way she did before and Vincent isn't even truly Vincent. What I saw here was Bob manipulating and twisting ever circumstance and opportunity he could for is to get to the point we got to in this ep. Then with V, he sacrificed himself as a result if these manipulations. This ep hurt, a lot, I cannot lie but that pain will never stop me from supporting BATB and loving this show. It's a lot to take in and frankly painful but I truly believe there will be a light at the end of the tunnel (see Tough Love after Alex debacle) I will keep the faith.
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Post by tc98 on Nov 17, 2013 23:59:19 GMT -5
I've been an avid fan since season 1 and have been reading this forum to be part of the BATB family but this is my first time posting just because I felt the need to share in the frustration! I personally do not like how they have portrayed Catherine in this season. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way condoning what Vincent has put her through but I have to remember, he is not the same and not by his own doing either. What happened to the Catherine who said that together, they can overcome anything?! It seems like at every romantic moment, she seems like she doesn't want to be with him (her commenting about being sweaty when he tried to hug her in last episode and then breaking the moment by reminding him how he ripped out the guy's heart in this episode). Then she was more willing to protect Gabe (who she conveniently has forgotten tried to kill Vincent to cure himself in the last season) but easily gives up Vincent's beastly secret to her newfound father who she hardly knows (at least enough to trust) who happens to be FBI too! Last season, she did everything to protect Vincent, let alone share his secret with the next stranger who came along! Also, she is so quick to question his "uncontrollable self" at every instance in this episode and so far in this season. Again, what happened to the Catherine in last season who believed he did not belong in a cage when he started to blackout. I don't like how Catherine has zero trust in Vincent and how easily she is swayed by Bob's argument that it may be time to give up on them. She fought so hard last season, lying to her family & friends to keep Vincent's secret yet all of a sudden, it's too much?! This is certainly not the EPIC love that I found so appealing about this show.
Although Vincent has done some awful things to Catherine this season, I have to remember that he has been changed by the FBI, led by Catherine's own father! I can't (nor should Catherine) expect Vincent to miraculous become the same Vincent. He is starting to remember his life with Catherine but that doesn't mean he can just go back to the same Vincent either. Remember in episode 1 when she breaks down and asks why they keep hurting him? Like turning him into a beast was not bad enough that they turned him into a supercharged beast only to kill him in the end?!
Also, I definitely do not like the idea of Tori being with Vincent but I can only hope (and pray) he will withstand her advances and see her as a lost beast who need guidance but if Catherine continues not to trust in him or their love, I fear he will give in to Tori and his beastly side because he will feel unworthy of her love and to stay away from her as Bob suggested/blackmailed him to do.
With all that said, I'm going to try to hang in there because I am hoping that Catherine and Vincent will gain their EPIC love back. I am hoping that once Catherine realizes that her father is Vincent's handler, she will realize how he has been manipulating their lives. I have to hope that since there has never been a female beast & that they don't know how extensively Tori can influence Vincent, that Catherine will fight for her man and fight for Vincent's humanity. Vincent is a beast after all & just like he couldn't control his beastly side in season 1, what makes anyone think he can control the effects of a female beast. I have to have faith that love will win in the end and that their EPIC love will help them overcome anything! VinCat to the end!!
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Post by kiki09 on Nov 18, 2013 0:05:06 GMT -5
^ 100% yes and thanks for coming out of the shadows with your very insightful comment. I agree wholeheartedly.
Both Vincent and Catherine have done some questionable stuff this season.
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Post by kasobel83 on Nov 18, 2013 0:05:55 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but I have one question, why wait for 7 ep for doing that ? Sad to say, but when you bring a couple to soon, that's what happened. The writers doesn't even know where they're going... The audience are awful and now the show is on the same page...
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