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Post by kiki09 on Jun 9, 2015 0:32:34 GMT -5
What a boring repeated drama Vincent centric episode. Can't Cat story lead this show for once! Sexist! Did someone who constantly makes sexist comments about members of this forum just call BATB sexist? Please don't make me laugh at the irony.
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Post by corinne on Jun 9, 2015 1:36:07 GMT -5
I've just watched the episode and I didn't read your comments yet, but I have to say two things: 1) I LOOOOOOOOOOVE the new/old Vincent. He is soooo sweet! And I love to see his weakness again... 2) Jay Ryan is a really amazing actor!!!!! I'm with you @locaxbatb, I loved seing him unsecured. Of course he knows she loves him and same for her. But his doubts and shyness when he made the proposal, it was beautiful. And yes Anna, the proposal at this fancy restaurant would not have been Vincat-y, but I found it SO SO cute that he wanted to do it that way, that he wanted to make it "perfect"/"romantic"/"like in movies" for her. And when he asked if she would not swallow the ring, it was so adorable, he clearly wanted it to be perfect, with no mistake from his part.... Even if the simple proposal on the rooftop is 1000 times better than any Fancy restaurant, I loved that he went to all the troubles in his preparation for the restaurant proposal. LOL alwayscrazedbatbfan I haven't read your comments yet, but yes you are the one who most commented this episode without seing it, that's too funny! No one will ever comment longer than you :-) dan isn't Catherine the one wanting to pursue the new "beast-like" creatures, isn't she the one to push Vincent where he doesn't want to go, isn't she the one to influence his decision here?
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Post by kiki09 on Jun 9, 2015 3:02:21 GMT -5
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Post by Chymere on Jun 9, 2015 5:31:30 GMT -5
Rewatched now...do you remember the script tease pic by Catherine Ashton "scene 3 Vincent and Catherine ripping each other's cloches"? Wondering if the scene was cut because I wouldn't describe Vincent's quikly helping her out of her jacket "ripping each other's cloches"...Ok not complaining that scene was great...just not going to trust scripts next time Also (ok admitting to have played it several times) they could have shown the neck kiss from the other side..I wouldn't have minded seeing Vincent's mouth on her... But last scene, rewatch after rewatch remains Perfect! Are you sure this script tease with "ripping each other's clothes" was for 3.01 I am not sure about this? How I love the Vincent's kisses on her neck! Except in making love scene, this is unusual like in the proposal the way they hug each other is so beautiful and intense as in the whole scene! It's amazing how each time they find some thing that makes each moments so unique. Fun to hear Vincent say something in French when he said "don't forget 9:00 Ciel Magnifique!" My English is not enough good to write all my feelings so I prefer read yours so thank you for all your posts I love read them and help me sometime to better understand the dialogues
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Post by Chymere on Jun 9, 2015 5:47:17 GMT -5
Oh I would like to add, I liked action scenes with slow motion and I don't know for you but it was not so dark for me. I saw well the unfolding of the action scenes!
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Post by ijustlovebatb on Jun 9, 2015 5:49:20 GMT -5
OMG, you guys are so awesome with all of your reviews here. It sucks that I have to wait 4 days later to see what everyone is talking about here. oh well 2 days and counting now. Thanks everyone
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 9, 2015 6:20:42 GMT -5
Rewatched now...do you remember the script tease pic by Catherine Ashton "scene 3 Vincent and Catherine ripping each other's cloches"? Wondering if the scene was cut because I wouldn't describe Vincent's quikly helping her out of her jacket "ripping each other's cloches"...Ok not complaining that scene was great...just not going to trust scripts next time Also (ok admitting to have played it several times) they could have shown the neck kiss from the other side..I wouldn't have minded seeing Vincent's mouth on her... But last scene, rewatch after rewatch remains Perfect! Are you sure this script tease with "ripping each other's clothes" was for 3.01 I am not sure about this? How I love the Vincent's kisses on her neck! Except in making love scene, this is unusual like in the proposal the way they hug each other is so beautiful and intense as in the whole scene! It's amazing how each time they find some thing that makes each moments so unique. Fun to hear Vincent say something in French when he said "don't forget 9:00 Ciel Magnifique!" My English is not enough good to write all my feelings so I prefer read yours so thank you for all your posts I love read them and help me sometime to better understand the dialogues Totally there with u u described things perfectly
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 9, 2015 6:21:19 GMT -5
Oh I would like to add, I liked action scenes with slow motion and I don't know for you but it was not so dark for me. I saw well the unfolding of the action scenes! I really liked them too
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jun 9, 2015 6:26:41 GMT -5
I've just watched the episode and I didn't read your comments yet, but I have to say two things: 1) I LOOOOOOOOOOVE the new/old Vincent. He is soooo sweet! And I love to see his weakness again... 2) Jay Ryan is a really amazing actor!!!!! I'm with you @locaxbatb, I loved seing him unsecured. Of course he knows she loves him and same for her. But his doubts and shyness when he made the proposal, it was beautiful. And yes Anna, the proposal at this fancy restaurant would not have been Vincat-y, but I found it SO SO cute that he wanted to do it that way, that he wanted to make it "perfect"/"romantic"/"like in movies" for her. And when he asked if she would not swallow the ring, it was so adorable, he clearly wanted it to be perfect, with no mistake from his part.... Even if the simple proposal on the rooftop is 1000 times better than any Fancy restaurant, I loved that he went to all the troubles in his preparation for the restaurant proposal. LOL alwayscrazedbatbfan I haven't read your comments yet, but yes you are the one who most commented this episode without seing it, that's too funny! No one will ever comment longer than you :-) dan isn't Catherine the one wanting to pursue the new "beast-like" creatures, isn't she the one to push Vincent where he doesn't want to go, isn't she the one to influence his decision here? Yes corinne I adored that restaurant scene too though I am glad that it happened where it did. I loved seeing Vincent's vulnerability in this episode - such a good actor. He has shown us so many facets of Vincent
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Post by Chymere on Jun 9, 2015 6:27:19 GMT -5
Are you sure this script tease with "ripping each other's clothes" was for 3.01 I am not sure about this? How I love the Vincent's kisses on her neck! Except in making love scene, this is unusual like in the proposal the way they hug each other is so beautiful and intense as in the whole scene! It's amazing how each time they find some thing that makes each moments so unique. Fun to hear Vincent say something in French when he said "don't forget 9:00 Ciel Magnifique!" My English is not enough good to write all my feelings so I prefer read yours so thank you for all your posts I love read them and help me sometime to better understand the dialogues Totally there with u u described things perfectly Oh Anna Thank you! I want so much participate, I try the best I can!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 7:13:47 GMT -5
I'm thinking of sending Mark Pedowitz of sCW flowers - for supplying us with our drug of choice and making it so special. Okay, not really sending him flowers, but positive vibes. And let's get those numbers up for viewing! We've sent Mr. P enough gifts so I am so thankful he is finally returning the favor.
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Post by ebeline on Jun 9, 2015 13:51:46 GMT -5
I still have not seen this episode yet, which SERIOUSLY grieves me greatly. Sigh. Thursday CANNOT come quick enough. But I HAVE to respond to early posts that I have read AND defend why I believe the scene so many of you are talking about IS so important to 301. The scene: Cat talking Vincent down from his Beast Side. NO, this is NOT a reflection of Vincent failing to show he has learned anything. This is actually the BACKBONE OF THE WHOLE SERIES--the theme that "we are better TOGETHER than we are apart," something Vincent himself has said to Cat. Also, this scene FINALLY puts to rest the DEMONS OF SEASON 2 and the idea that Cat is ANYTHING less than Vincent's FIRST CHOICE. (And also is the final explanation of WHY Beast-Heavy Vincent chose Tori in Season 2 over Cat. ACK--just makes me nauseous typing those words!) In Season 2, we get ALPHA PREDATOR Beast Vincent--you see from his tracking skills how Vincent just ZONES in to the HUNT. He is totally into the LUST of the hunt AND THE KILL! His Beast Side is ALL about total dominance over his prey! In other words, for Vincent, his Beast side is like a drug addiction--the more he does it, the higher he gets AND the less his reason and rational sane side can control or even effect him when he is "in the moment" of the HUNT. ADD TO THAT the fact that Tori AMPS up his Beast powers and side AS WELL AS taking away his REMORSE for said acts of the hunt. The way Vincent's eyes glowed when he came into physical contact with Tori was like the high of an addictive substance that Vincent THINKS he can control but can't ESPECIALLY when he lacks a REASON to fight. So Tori hypes up Vincent's lust for revenge and NEED for the hunt to end in death over Agent Reynolds that causes Vincent to make the choice to kick Cat to the curb because she reminds him of all the reasons that he must fight for his humanity. But Vincent, upon having made his own mistakes is able to, in turn, talk Cat back from her own bad choices while under the influence of Gabe in episode 215. Vincent REMINDS Cat that the ultimate reason WHY Sam needs to be stopped is BECAUSE he is hurting innocents and NOT just to capture and prosecute Sam (in other words, Cat was becoming like Beast Vincent--her lust for the hunt made her IGNORE the plight of the victim). So Cat and Vincent ACTUALLY BRING EACH OTHER BACK whenever the other needs it. All by REMINDING the other person of THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL morals and values AND emotional growth. THAT is EPIC LOVE BABY in there being a need to TRUST and RELY on the other person to KNOW YOU BEST and to REMIND YOU of all the reasons WHY you need to fight to make the world a better place. So Cat being able to talk Vincent down from his Beast Side in 301 just SHOWS how 1) even his beast-side responds to the Epic Love of His Life and that 2) Cat is AND ALWAYS WAS his FIRST CHOICE and the reason for his battle to be the best version of himself because he recognizes that 3) they are better TOGETHER rather than being apart. Vincent can no longer imagine his life without Cat (and vice versa). They are building a life TOGETHER, and Vincent now responds to Cat on an INSTINCTUAL basis as well as an intellectual basis. So his Beast responds and calms down to her pleas, because he would rather be with her than respond to the temporary and ULTIMATELY UNFULFILLING lust of the hunt. Cat now appeals to ALL of Vincent, rather than just his "human" side. And Vincent's response to Cat is based on far more than lust but on the need to be a part of her life henceforth in every way he can and in every facet of his life. Meaning, decisions are made on an "us" basis and not just an individual basis. And his PASSION for her responds on every level to her, and hers to his in return. This shows VINCENT'S TRUE EMOTIONAL GROWTH in being able to proceed TOGETHER with Cat, both in his proposal AND in his ability to respond to her when he is at his most fragile or controversial. So this scene in this episode is SO NECESSARY to show the progress of EPIC LOVE. And to really show that anything previously in Season 2 that I CHOOSE TO NOW FORGET happened BECAUSE Vincent couldn't HIMSELF articulate WHY it was so important to fight for the better version of himself. He now has Cat to remind him when he most struggles, just as She can count on him as well. They will choose to move forward TOGETHER and fight TOGETHER. They NEED each other for happiness and to find the best version of life open to them.
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Post by ebeline on Jun 9, 2015 14:38:24 GMT -5
I couldn't stop rewatching this ep and so I need to comment some more stuff. I hope I could Express what I mean because it is not my first language, hope they are not so many mistakes. LOL
In S1 V was a beast who wanted to protect innocent people. An insecure himself dismissive man, who felt slowly by Cats love again aus a human beeing. In S2 he has been programmed as a beast which shouldn't have any human emotions. Daddy renolds said to him that feelings make him vulnerable. Cat tried to connvince him otherwise. This V is torn between the two, towards the end of S2 he decided for one site. The V in S3 knows excactly what he wants, the humanity, Cats love and a normal life but he is uncertain as to keep it. I think the fight scene on the roof with Cat beging him to choose their love is not a repeated scene. It shows how sure and strong V knows what he wants and that he has the strengh to fight his beast with love down. He really wants a normal life when he says : I Do not want to risk to loosing it ever again. Even in their fight he shows what he really wants : I thought we were past all this. I want do it any more to be a beast.. By Cat interaction with the agents he sees his normal at risk. In the convo with JT you can see how desperate and wounded he is Cat doing this: Since Cat decided to become a beasthunter again. In the scene with the proposal you can see how V has finally discovered that the most important thing is his love: His proposal is so simple and Full of feelings it is really great and with the ring he shows Cat how important she is for him. His mothers ring with which he builds a bridge between his old and his new life. It is like a Symbole.
And could someone tell me what the doc says in the hospital scene when V says after than I need everybody quite here. I don't understand it.
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Post by missingalias on Jun 9, 2015 14:43:34 GMT -5
BTW, does someone know the canadian ratings for the episode? I would love to know how well we did! i've had the episode on repeat on showcase website as soon as it came out.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jun 9, 2015 14:58:25 GMT -5
I couldn't stop rewatching this ep and so I need to comment some more stuff. I hope I could Express what I mean because it is not my first language, hope they are not so many mistakes. LOL In S1 V was a beast who wanted to protect innocent people. An insecure himself dismissive man, who felt slowly by Cats love again aus a human beeing. In S2 he has been programmed as a beast which shouldn't have any human emotions. Daddy renolds said to him that feelings make him vulnerable. Cat tried to connvince him otherwise. This V is torn between the two, towards the end of S2 he decided for one site. The V in S3 knows excactly what he wants, the humanity, Cats love and a normal life but he is uncertain as to keep it. I think the fight scene on the roof with Cat beging him to choose their love is not a repeated scene. It shows how sure and strong V knows what he wants and that he has the strengh to fight his beast with love down. He really wants a normal life when he says : I Do not want to risk to loosing it ever again. Even in their fight he shows what he really wants : I thought we were past all this. I want do it any more to be a beast.. By Cat interaction with the agents he sees his normal at risk. In the convo with JT you can see how desperate and wounded he is Cat doing this: Since Cat decided to become a beasthunter again. In the scene with the proposal you can see how V has finally discovered that the most important thing is his love: His proposal is so simple and Full of feelings it is really great and with the ring he shows Cat how important she is for him. His mothers ring with which he builds a bridge between his old and his new life. It is like a Symbole. And could someone tell me what the doc says in the hospital scene when V says after than I need everybody quite here. I don't understand it. The other doctor says 'How did you know that he had a knick in his heart without seeing it?' Vincent can hear the blood escaping through a hole in te heart due to his beasty senses.
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