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Post by BeastieBoy on Sept 22, 2015 22:05:58 GMT -5
I would also have to go with "Destined". I'd really like to hear the casts comments about the ending, both the drinking scene and wedding.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Sept 25, 2015 11:19:07 GMT -5
If I had to pick just one, it would definitely be "Destined." Would also love to know the little things like how they chose the particular wedding dresses this season, if KK had a choice in any of them and which one she preferred, how they filmed them, etc. Especially would enjoy the commentary about what was ad-libbed in the various scenes that made the episode cut (and even moments that didn't, if they are allowed to discuss it!).
I admit that I would also love to hear a commentary on "Both Sides Now." Would prefer a commentary where the actors/actresses can actually say what they did and did not like about the episode AND if there were any scenes that got editted due to lack of time. So often, I think the actors have to defend the writing, and I would prefer an honest and open-ended discourse on if THEY thought their character actions made sense or else gave the rationale or motivation behind it.
Have to say it--I can see WHY Cat literally lost it on Juliana--she has had to watch TOO MANY loved ones die in front of her. When she is hitting Juliana, TO ME she is a traumatized past victim lashing out at everyone that has ever sought to hurt those she loved most ONLY because they were trying to protect their own mess and didn't value life. Juliana just seemed like another Muirfield-type head at that time. And Cat seems sorry later when looking at Juliana in the hospital bed. Would have liked a scene like in 221 between VinCat where they talked about how she lost it and basically beasted-out on Gabe. NEEDED that discussion in the first Juliana episode or even in the aborted wedding episode. You need Cat to take stock of her behavior because as a cop, you are only allowed to use the force necessary. Cat appeared to be going for the kill, and she is expected to have more control. HOWEVER, due to the nature of her relationship to the person Juliana was attacking, you can see why Cat would react in the way she did, ESPECIALLY given the adrenaline coursing through her at the time. And there was no reason to think Juliana WASN'T going to kill Vincent as promised.
(And THAT never got clarified for me --WHAT was in that vial that Juliana was going to inject into Vincent? She didn't know he was a beast yet, and she certainly WOULDN'T try to enhance him without knowing if he would be motivated to go after Liam. After all, it makes no sense to create ANOTHER Liam-type that you can't control. Juliana later tries to inject Vincent in the aborted wedding episode BECAUSE she has seen how VinCat really DO want to prevent loss of life, so it makes sense to infer that they WILL have to take on Liam sooner or later, since Juliana KNOWS he will come back to get her.)
Commentaries can be hit-or-miss type things. Would love a commentary where the actors truly sought to go into detail about what was contained in the episode. But the humorous behind the scenes data they often provide about people and locations and filming is entertaining as well.
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Post by batb4evr1 on Sept 25, 2015 12:32:47 GMT -5
Yes, Scully, the truth is out there! And as our dear Vincent told Cat, I never stop looking! So bring on the Season 3 DVDs hopefully packed with candid remarks about the episodes, backstage commentary/video and of course those priceless bloopers!
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Post by bbatb on Sept 25, 2015 12:59:03 GMT -5
Unfortunately, they won't release S3 DVD until next year and probably - true to tradition - just about a month or so before the start of S4. And that is such a looooooong wait.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Oct 15, 2015 15:35:27 GMT -5
If I had to pick just one, it would definitely be "Destined." Would also love to know the little things like how they chose the particular wedding dresses this season, if KK had a choice in any of them and which one she preferred, how they filmed them, etc. Especially would enjoy the commentary about what was ad-libbed in the various scenes that made the episode cut (and even moments that didn't, if they are allowed to discuss it!). I admit that I would also love to hear a commentary on "Both Sides Now." Would prefer a commentary where the actors/actresses can actually say what they did and did not like about the episode AND if there were any scenes that got editted due to lack of time. So often, I think the actors have to defend the writing, and I would prefer an honest and open-ended discourse on if THEY thought their character actions made sense or else gave the rationale or motivation behind it. Have to say it--I can see WHY Cat literally lost it on Juliana--she has had to watch TOO MANY loved ones die in front of her. When she is hitting Juliana, TO ME she is a traumatized past victim lashing out at everyone that has ever sought to hurt those she loved most ONLY because they were trying to protect their own mess and didn't value life. Juliana just seemed like another Muirfield-type head at that time. And Cat seems sorry later when looking at Juliana in the hospital bed. Would have liked a scene like in 221 between VinCat where they talked about how she lost it and basically beasted-out on Gabe. NEEDED that discussion in the first Juliana episode or even in the aborted wedding episode. You need Cat to take stock of her behavior because as a cop, you are only allowed to use the force necessary. Cat appeared to be going for the kill, and she is expected to have more control. HOWEVER, due to the nature of her relationship to the person Juliana was attacking, you can see why Cat would react in the way she did, ESPECIALLY given the adrenaline coursing through her at the time. And there was no reason to think Juliana WASN'T going to kill Vincent as promised. (And THAT never got clarified for me --WHAT was in that vial that Juliana was going to inject into Vincent? She didn't know he was a beast yet, and she certainly WOULDN'T try to enhance him without knowing if he would be motivated to go after Liam. After all, it makes no sense to create ANOTHER Liam-type that you can't control. Juliana later tries to inject Vincent in the aborted wedding episode BECAUSE she has seen how VinCat really DO want to prevent loss of life, so it makes sense to infer that they WILL have to take on Liam sooner or later, since Juliana KNOWS he will come back to get her.) Commentaries can be hit-or-miss type things. Would love a commentary where the actors truly sought to go into detail about what was contained in the episode. But the humorous behind the scenes data they often provide about people and locations and filming is entertaining as well. Juliana did know that Vincent was a beast. She beat the information out of Heather and that's why she was ready with the tranc gun when he arrived with Cat and her henchman shot him with the tranc darts when he beasted out.
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Post by batb4evr1 on Oct 15, 2015 19:25:31 GMT -5
Unfortunately, they won't release S3 DVD until next year and probably - true to tradition - just about a month or so before the start of S4. And that is such a looooooong wait. Truer words were never spoken dear bbatb!
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Post by bbatb on Oct 16, 2015 10:41:44 GMT -5
If I had to pick just one, it would definitely be "Destined." Would also love to know the little things like how they chose the particular wedding dresses this season, if KK had a choice in any of them and which one she preferred, how they filmed them, etc. Especially would enjoy the commentary about what was ad-libbed in the various scenes that made the episode cut (and even moments that didn't, if they are allowed to discuss it!). I admit that I would also love to hear a commentary on "Both Sides Now." Would prefer a commentary where the actors/actresses can actually say what they did and did not like about the episode AND if there were any scenes that got editted due to lack of time. So often, I think the actors have to defend the writing, and I would prefer an honest and open-ended discourse on if THEY thought their character actions made sense or else gave the rationale or motivation behind it. Have to say it--I can see WHY Cat literally lost it on Juliana--she has had to watch TOO MANY loved ones die in front of her. When she is hitting Juliana, TO ME she is a traumatized past victim lashing out at everyone that has ever sought to hurt those she loved most ONLY because they were trying to protect their own mess and didn't value life. Juliana just seemed like another Muirfield-type head at that time. And Cat seems sorry later when looking at Juliana in the hospital bed. Would have liked a scene like in 221 between VinCat where they talked about how she lost it and basically beasted-out on Gabe. NEEDED that discussion in the first Juliana episode or even in the aborted wedding episode. You need Cat to take stock of her behavior because as a cop, you are only allowed to use the force necessary. Cat appeared to be going for the kill, and she is expected to have more control. HOWEVER, due to the nature of her relationship to the person Juliana was attacking, you can see why Cat would react in the way she did, ESPECIALLY given the adrenaline coursing through her at the time. And there was no reason to think Juliana WASN'T going to kill Vincent as promised. (And THAT never got clarified for me --WHAT was in that vial that Juliana was going to inject into Vincent? She didn't know he was a beast yet, and she certainly WOULDN'T try to enhance him without knowing if he would be motivated to go after Liam. After all, it makes no sense to create ANOTHER Liam-type that you can't control. Juliana later tries to inject Vincent in the aborted wedding episode BECAUSE she has seen how VinCat really DO want to prevent loss of life, so it makes sense to infer that they WILL have to take on Liam sooner or later, since Juliana KNOWS he will come back to get her.) Commentaries can be hit-or-miss type things. Would love a commentary where the actors truly sought to go into detail about what was contained in the episode. But the humorous behind the scenes data they often provide about people and locations and filming is entertaining as well. Juliana did know that Vincent was a beast. She beat the information out of Heather and that's why she was ready with the tranc gun when he arrived with Cat and her henchman shot him with the tranc darts when he beasted out. You are right ' AlisongladaboutSeason4' Juliana knew that Vincent was a beast. But do you have any explanation why she would inject him and kill him? It makes no sense to me at all. Bob and Carol were going to deliver her a 'moral beast' in order to buy their own freedom and when Juliana finally has this moral beast all trussed up in her power, she wants to kill him? It would have been more logical to threaten to inject Catherine or Heather with this 'failed serum', because THEY were expendable (from Juliana'a point of view). Would like to hear some opinions about that. Too bad these comments are unilateral and WE are not allowed to ask questions in order to get clarification on some of the 'not so logical' things. Just wishful thinking, of course.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Oct 16, 2015 11:56:59 GMT -5
Juliana's actions just made no sense to me in this episode. She desperately needs allies against Liam, and he is powerful enough (AND a certified Loner) to not be "teaming up" with people and sending them after Juliana rather than taking her out himself. So why assume Vincent is working with him? After this episode she seemingly trusts Vincent enough to go after Liam so much that she is willing to inject him with the same serum that gave Liam extra powers in order that he might have a chance at defeating Liam. But WHY would you give powers to something that might be an equal or worse threat? Why is she so seemingly convinced of Vincent's morality? Again, I had a lot of unanswered questions this past season. I recognize that this mostly comes from there being only so much time with only 13 episodes to work with, but it felt really disjointed for me, particularly from this episode forward until Liam makes his official appearance. Sigh. I really DO need to go back and re-watch Season 3.
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Post by bbatb on Oct 16, 2015 14:30:10 GMT -5
When Vincent and Tess visited the 'out-of-the-coma' Juliana in the secure hospital room, she realized that they were NOT sent by Liam and from then on she became obsessed with injecting Vincent. Maybe seeing him with Tess - a detective - made her believe that he must be 'a moral beast'.
Could it be that they were harping on the MORALITY issue so much (Bob was even killing an innocent to find this out), because only a 'moral' beast would fight against Liam and not join him? They showed us later how much Liam tried to tempt Vincent over to his 'all beast' side by constantly baiting him about being under Catherine's thumb. Making snide remarks about 'the little woman calling and jerking his leash' and so on.
Just a theory, of course, since the writers IMO never clearly explained why Bob was putting Vincent through these ridiculous tests and recording them on his cell phone. Especially, since Bob apparently never sent his report about Vincent being a beast and passing these tests to Juliana and she had to beat that information out of Heather.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Oct 16, 2015 15:27:39 GMT -5
It's just a thought but maybe Juliana was NOT going to kill Vincent. She may have been bluffing just to get information out of Cat about who sent them. It could have just been saline solution in that syringe. She obviously wanted clarification as if she KNEW for certain that Liam had sent them she would have just killed them both. If she tortured Cat and questioned Vincent instead, there would be a chance that he would beast-out to save Cat and break free. It was clearly safer to tranc Vincent and question Cat. Once Juliana knew Vincent was a beast, she must have thought there was a chance she could use him to defeat Liam, even if she had to force him to do it by threatening Cat's life or something similar. You are all right though. There was never any clarification of any of this because Juliana died before she could confirm or deny it. If there is a commentary episode on the Season 3 DVD, it would be an opportunity for the writers or actors to clear this up for us.
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Post by bbatb on Oct 17, 2015 10:15:56 GMT -5
' pippin' was this question just an interesting topic to get the ball rolling on a good discussion or is there a realistic chance that we WILL get such a treat on S3 DVD? Can you throw us a bone or is it a secret or even still 'all up in the air'? I mean, you opened the door....
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Post by pippin on Oct 18, 2015 23:11:15 GMT -5
' pippin' was this question just an interesting topic to get the ball rolling on a good discussion or is there a realistic chance that we WILL get such a treat on S3 DVD? Can you throw us a bone or is it a secret or even still 'all up in the air'? I mean, you opened the door.... Unfortunately don't know anything specific
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