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Post by pippin on Sept 16, 2015 22:07:01 GMT -5
If KK and Jay were to do an audio commentary for one episode from Season 3, which one would you guys want them to do?
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Sept 16, 2015 22:23:01 GMT -5
3x06 Chasing ghost. I want KK to explain why she can cry the way she can haha I really want to know I also want to know if the rest of the cast cry when she does that kind of performance haha
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Sept 17, 2015 0:13:26 GMT -5
For me I think it would have to be Destined
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Post by bbatb on Sept 17, 2015 4:59:19 GMT -5
Both Sides Now - I would like to hear KK justify how a cop and a detective can lose control like that and beat Juliana to a pulp.
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Post by biafin on Sept 17, 2015 6:44:51 GMT -5
I don't have a question to a specific episode, but I would like to know why Cat is more cold in season 3 and why they both are only giving bird kisses now?
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Post by DayaBEASTS4 on Sept 17, 2015 9:00:19 GMT -5
Destined!! why too rush? and if it had been two hours episode what theme she would have liked to develop more
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Post by batb4evr1 on Sept 17, 2015 10:00:02 GMT -5
Both Sides Now - I would like to hear KK justify how a cop and a detective can lose control like that and beat Juliana to a pulp. My sweet bbatb, I am certain she was say, Cat was not responding as a reputable law enforcement agent but as I distraught, out of control and desperate fiancee feeling she has finally lost her beloved and destined one! Not a perfect excuse but a plausible explanation.
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Post by bbatb on Sept 17, 2015 12:10:40 GMT -5
' DayaBEASTS4' thanks for calling me sweet. Sometimes I am not so sweet, though. And you are right, it would NOT be a perfect explanation, but I realize of course that it would probably be the one we would get. And I know that she would probably say that once Catherine is set on a course of action NOTHING can stop her. Point in fact 'Heart of the Matter' where she interrogated a sick old man into a heart attack. I just find this pattern in her behavior disturbing. And all she says about the Juliana incident later is 'I guess I lost it'. Not very insightful. I just wish, she had reacted with that kind of violence to the one who tried to kill her destined, epic love in S1 instead of so easily forgiving him in S2 and so lavishly rewarding him - for nothing really. I am always defending Catherine, because I absolutely adore KK and the lines blurr sometimes between the actress and the character and I just get very upset when they write her role in such a character-damaging way. After this scene, there was a lot of bashing going on out there and my heart just bled.
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Post by batb4evr1 on Sept 17, 2015 12:44:30 GMT -5
' DayaBEASTS4' thanks for calling me sweet. Sometimes I am not so sweet, though. And you are right, it would NOT be a perfect explanation, but I realize of course that it would probably be the one we would get. And I know that she would probably say that once Catherine is set on a course of action NOTHING can stop her. Point in fact 'Heart of the Matter' where she interrogated a sick old man into a heart attack. I just find this pattern in her behavior disturbing. And all she says about the Juliana incident later is 'I guess I lost it'. Not very insightful. I just wish, she had reacted with that kind of violence to the one who tried to kill her destined, epic love in S1 instead of so easily forgiving him in S2 and so lavishly rewarding him - for nothing really. I am always defending Catherine, because I absolutely adore KK and the lines blurr sometimes between the actress and the character and I just get very upset when they write her role in such a character-damaging way. After this scene, there was a lot of bashing going on out there and my heart just bled. bbatb, I understand your rationale!
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Sept 21, 2015 8:55:55 GMT -5
BBATB:
And THAT is my major problem with how things were handled for Season 3.
Honestly, I think what was trying to be presented regarding Catherine is that no matter how much therapy or intervention you have, at some point, the trauma becomes too much. A person CAN potentially lose too much, both personally and professionally, and end up having an emotional/traumatic break from reality. We have "temporary insanity" as a defense to crime for a reason. Cat had insisted on following her heart and her conscience in pursuing an investigation that led her AND Vincent to Juliana, who tortured Vincent and her sister in front of her. We saw how just Vincent at risk from Gabe AS A RESULT of his post-relationship with Cat caused her to completely lose it last season (Operation: Fake Date).
In Season 3, we saw two highly traumatized individuals who had lost much in their lives and responded to betrayal in unique ways as a result. I am, of course, talking about Liam as well as Catherine. Catherine would NEVER have handled an interview or interrogation in such a way in Season 1. BUT, she had NOT lost nearly so much then. Catherine clearly felt alone in her quest initially and lost all patience with others who cuoldn't see "the big picture." But then again, SHE had not seen what Gabe was capable of last season, and it nearly cost JT his life as well. The only reason it didn't was due to a serum that turns out to be poisonous and life-threatening in its own right.
So when she gets free, Cat REALLY lets loose on Juliana. UNLIKE THE SEASON 2 episode, it was NOT handled well by the writers. You got a wonderful scene where Vincent and Cat talk it out, and Cat acknowledges what the fear and pain and loss has done to her. And that was absent in Season 3 throughout. All the craziness only brought VinCat closer in the end during seasons 1 & 2. BUT we missed all of those emotional scenes THIS season. Its like the showrunners FORGOT what worked so well for us fans: actually SEEING that connection between VinCat and how they help HEAL each other.
THAT was one of those things that I loved from Season 2: that VinCat connection that although strained severely at times, could never truly go away. And it would be seen in the little things such as Cat HAVING to hug Vincent spontaneously in 215 after he saves the guy, AND she sees how important it is to Vincent to once again SAVE people.
The last thing I will add about Juliana was that she presented to Cat that she was basically going to KILL Vincent. And she had the needle to his neck. PLUS, you had her SISTER having been beaten up directly BECAUSE of Cat's having been investigation Juliana. So Cat took her internal blame and fear of losing the two people that matter THE MOST to Cat out on Juliana. It was totally reactionary and in the moment. And Cat LOST IT, having seen so many people DIE in front of her due to beast experimentation. I think that when Cat hit Juliana, she was hitting EVERY Muirfield agent, Reynolds, Gabe and everybody else that had threatened to take away all that mattered to her.
BUT WE NEEDED TO SEE AND HEAR this from CAT, which we WOULD have in previous seasons when she would have talked it through with VINCENT, as she ALWAYS has before. THAT was what made me love the VinCat relationship so much over previous seasons: their ability to work with each other to process anything and everything and turn even a negative reaction into a positive healing process.
Like others, I would want an episode chosen where SOMEONE explains just WHY they didn't give explanations OR have the formerly necessary dialogue and emotional scenes that were so prevalent in previous seasons.
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Post by daly1423 on Sept 21, 2015 9:27:58 GMT -5
I would like to hear, what the thought process was at the end of Shotgun Wedding to have Cat leave a badly injured Vincent at the church to go home and drink wine.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Sept 21, 2015 9:51:08 GMT -5
daly1423:
Another Season 3 instance of behavior uncharacteristic with how the character has been previously portrayed. ESPECIALLY when Cat was so hurt by Vincent pulling the same nonsense in episode 301. Considering the very need for a police investigation, you would certainly think Cat wouldn't be leaving the scene. The writers attempted to "explain" it away, in my opinion, with Cat being in shock or seeing how close she came to losing Vincent. Well, previously, when something like THAT happened, it cauesd Cat to reach FOR Vincent and lock arms or lips with him, not run away. (Well, in 216, she arguably runs, but THAT is Cat in denial. She was trying to make herself believe that her night with Vincent meant nothing. Just as he had done wtih her in 202.) BUT the 215/216 thing DOES show how VinCat eventually talk everything through, which we didn't get to see in 308. Sigh.
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Post by bbatb on Sept 21, 2015 10:59:16 GMT -5
' alwayscrazedbatbfan' you are beginning to scare me! Are you in my head? Again, you read my mind and find all the right words to write it down. AGAIN: applause, agree, yes, right on AND:
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Post by pippin on Sept 21, 2015 17:32:45 GMT -5
I might be forgetting an episode, but I think Cat and Vincent had the most screen time together in Heart of the Matter and Both Sides Now, so I'm thinking either of those might be the most interesting to hear them comment on. KK said that she, Jay and Gloria could not stop laughing during their background acting in Both Sides Now so it would be fun to hear what got them all so hysterical in that one. I've only really listened to commentaries on Smallville, but it seemed that the sillier the episode, the more fun the commentary if you go by the one for Spell
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Post by bbatb on Sept 21, 2015 23:36:30 GMT -5
Well, ' pippin', I already suggested 'Both Sides Now' and can only agree that it should be that one. I remember those tweets and back then I had not seen the scene yet. They always say how much fun they all have together and how everybody jokes around and so on and I get the impression that they like the process of filming immensely at times - maybe NOT the stupid repetitive dialogues sometimes - but the comradery and the team work. Maybe they sometimes do not even notice 'in the heat of the moment' how certain things might come across with the audience, once the product is finished, cut and edited. How otherwise can it be that they had 'so much fun' when Catherine unleashes it on Juliana like that? KK is so concerned about the wars around the world and all the violence going on that it strikes me as strange that she would tweet about this very violent scene in such a nonchalant fashion. Then again, I might just be taking the whole show way too much to heart and get upset about things that THEY consider campy and so over the top that they do NOT expect anybody to take them too seriously. Point in fact: I did think that the torn off arm hanging at the radiator was so 'over the top' and therefore not really gruesome. I remember my thoughts at the time 'mmhh, so he took the time to untie one arm and then he said the heck with that and tore the other one off' or 'maybe the budget did not stretch to two arms being prepped like that'. Yes, Both Sides Now would be good!
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