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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Mar 12, 2014 10:26:55 GMT -5
With what Curly above said. . . .
Did make me think about the wedding being "interesting." Everything depends on Vincent's legal issues being fully resolved (and by that I mean dismissed) by the end of 217 or 218. If Vincent IS only out on bail, then Catherine would be expected to be a witness for the prosecution at the trial as well as Gabe. Bio-Dad may have ordered the hit on the man, but he was not actually present to see it done. The evidence then might be Vincent's DNA from Windsor's wound and Gabe's (and Cat's testimony). However, that is why I have a problem believing that Gabe actually did this as he would have to explain why he chose to wait to have Vincent charged with murder if he knew all along that it had happened. While Vincent WAS defending himself, he did use more force then he actually had to, arguably. Any defense attorney would point out that Gabe had an interest in seeing Vincent put away, so the trial really would come down to Catherine's testimony. And here is where the wedding issue could come up. A wife can't be compelled to testify against her husband. Thus, if Catherine marries Vincent, she can't be made to testify. Then the defense just has to discredit Gabe (and HELLO, Cat and Vincent sure know enough about Gabe's backlog of crimes to bring his actions/testimony into question). Again, this is why I can't see Gabe having been the one to have Vincent arrested since he would be potentially exposing himself if all the beast stuff came out.
However, if Vincent and Catherine were suddenly compelled to get married to avoid her testifying against Vincent, I can certainly see why Heather would be back in the picture and probably aligning herself with others to keep the marriage from happening. I can't see the writers taking this angle, but you never know. Catherine would definitely have to talk Vincent into the marriage because Vincent would not want even the appearance of marrying Catherine due to self-interest rather than love. THAT would certainly be a heck of a twist to a VinCat marriage! (And then everything from the legal angle could get resolved and they decide to marry anyway because they do love each other and want to spend their lives together.)
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Post by raniamahd on Mar 12, 2014 12:28:34 GMT -5
ok ladies as i said before i am not good in speculate but i think the idea of Cat married Gabe to protect V is just impossible ! i mean Gabe or Reynolds may blackmail her to do it , but no way in hell this marriage is going to happen ! think about it : they shoot those episodes with the possibility they could be the end of the show not only the season and those six episodes are like a mini season3 with the name ( who are we ?) so could they waste this precious short time on a crap like that again ? and how can the answer of (who are we ?) be marrying someone else ? and finally it would be really a big slap on the fans's faces to had vincat back together for only 5 minuets then to not just separate them again but to get Cat married Gabe as well ?!!! they wouldn't dare to do this so i say , we can relax and stop freaking out from this idea , because frankly i think we have many other things to freak out about and don't need more !
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Post by lili on Mar 12, 2014 13:21:01 GMT -5
ok ladies as i said before i am not good in speculate but i think the idea of Cat married Gabe to protect V is just impossible ! i mean Gabe or Reynolds may blackmail her to do it , but no way in hell this marriage is going to happen ! think about it : they shoot those episodes with the possibility they could be the end of the show not only the season and those six episodes are like a mini season3 with the name ( who are we ?) so could they waste this precious short time on a crap like that again ? and how can the answer of (who are we ?) be marrying someone else ? and finally it would be really a big slap on the fans's faces to had vincat back together for only 5 minuets then to not just separate them again but to get Cat married Gabe as well ?!!! they wouldn't dare to do this so i say , we can relax and stop freaking out from this idea , because frankly i think we have many other things to freak out about and don't need more ! Totally agree!!
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Mar 12, 2014 13:46:31 GMT -5
With what Curly above said. . . . Did make me think about the wedding being "interesting." Everything depends on Vincent's legal issues being fully resolved (and by that I mean dismissed) by the end of 217 or 218. If Vincent IS only out on bail, then Catherine would be expected to be a witness for the prosecution at the trial as well as Gabe. Bio-Dad may have ordered the hit on the man, but he was not actually present to see it done. The evidence then might be Vincent's DNA from Windsor's wound and Gabe's (and Cat's testimony). However, that is why I have a problem believing that Gabe actually did this as he would have to explain why he chose to wait to have Vincent charged with murder if he knew all along that it had happened. While Vincent WAS defending himself, he did use more force then he actually had to, arguably. Any defense attorney would point out that Gabe had an interest in seeing Vincent put away, so the trial really would come down to Catherine's testimony. And here is where the wedding issue could come up. A wife can't be compelled to testify against her husband. Thus, if Catherine marries Vincent, she can't be made to testify. Then the defense just has to discredit Gabe (and HELLO, Cat and Vincent sure know enough about Gabe's backlog of crimes to bring his actions/testimony into question). Again, this is why I can't see Gabe having been the one to have Vincent arrested since he would be potentially exposing himself if all the beast stuff came out. However, if Vincent and Catherine were suddenly compelled to get married to avoid her testifying against Vincent, I can certainly see why Heather would be back in the picture and probably aligning herself with others to keep the marriage from happening. I can't see the writers taking this angle, but you never know. Catherine would definitely have to talk Vincent into the marriage because Vincent would not want even the appearance of marrying Catherine due to self-interest rather than love. THAT would certainly be a heck of a twist to a VinCat marriage! (And then everything from the legal angle could get resolved and they decide to marry anyway because they do love each other and want to spend their lives together.) If you are looking for someone other than Gabe to be the one behind V's arrest, I just have one question for ya . . . Did anyone actually see Tori die?!?! Hmmm . . .
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Mar 12, 2014 14:43:48 GMT -5
Actually this season, they aren't killing off people that they originally hinted would die or not be back. Dana is still around, although in witness protection. Sam's still alive but in prison. Reynolds is also still alive and in prison. We saw an ambulance rush Tori to what we would believe should be a hospital. However, I would doubt that Tori would be behind Vincent's incarceration as the last thing that she told Vincent was that she believed he should be with Catherine. And Tori clearly had a thing (I'm NOT calling it love--maybe obsession, intense need due to isolation and newly emerging beastly stuff) for Vincent and would not be inclined to punish her only friend/mentor. I just think that Gabe would be hanging out there too much, but he is clearly distraught at the breakup and vows to keep Vincent from harming Catherine. If Vincent is behind bars for life, that pretty much separates them. While Reynolds and Gabe are the only ones outside of our Fab Four that know about Windsor, I would think that others could guess since Vincent has now effectively outed his beast self through Judge Westbrook and at the party. So pieces would have been put together. I can't imagine Cat working with Gabe AT ALL if he were behind the arrest. The FBI is CLEARLY aware of the Vincent/Catherine link if they approach Catherine with doing something for them in exchange for his freedom. I know the spoilers aren't exactly clear, so we can't be sure of this FBI twist until it plays out on screen. However, someone must have said something to Vincent to get him to break out in the first place because otherwise, Vincent was in prison and not making waves. I see the prison thing still being an issue in 218 if the FBI has leverage over Cat.
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Mar 12, 2014 16:17:27 GMT -5
ok ladies as i said before i am not good in speculate but i think the idea of Cat married Gabe to protect V is just impossible ! i mean Gabe or Reynolds may blackmail her to do it , but no way in hell this marriage is going to happen ! think about it : they shoot those episodes with the possibility they could be the end of the show not only the season and those six episodes are like a mini season3 with the name ( who are we ?) so could they waste this precious short time on a crap like that again ? and how can the answer of (who are we ?) be marrying someone else ? and finally it would be really a big slap on the fans's faces to had vincat back together for only 5 minuets then to not just separate them again but to get Cat married Gabe as well ?!!! they wouldn't dare to do this so i say , we can relax and stop freaking out from this idea , because frankly i think we have many other things to freak out about and don't need more ! Totally agree!! I totally agree with both of you but these writers have the hots for Sendhil and seem to be interested in pushing him as another leading man on the show. Even if the marriage is a farce, I don't put anything past them. Anyway, having said that, I don't think they will do it. I think everyone knows how unpopular the Cat/Gabe pairing was.
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Post by kleighkat on Mar 12, 2014 17:43:29 GMT -5
I totally agree with both of you but these writers have the hots for Sendhil and seem to be interested in pushing him as another leading man on the show. Even if the marriage is a farce, I don't put anything past them. Anyway, having said that, I don't think they will do it. I think everyone knows how unpopular the Cat/Gabe pairing was. I agree that the Cat/Gabe pairing was unpopular and if they went in the direction of forcing Cat to marry him in order to save Vincent, I think they will have a full on riot to deal with because that would make ALOT of beasties angry.
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Post by oriana happy 4 s3 on Mar 12, 2014 18:32:47 GMT -5
I totally agree with both of you but these writers have the hots for Sendhil and seem to be interested in pushing him as another leading man on the show. Even if the marriage is a farce, I don't put anything past them. Anyway, having said that, I don't think they will do it. I think everyone knows how unpopular the Cat/Gabe pairing was. I agree that the Cat/Gabe pairing was unpopular and if they went in the direction of forcing Cat to marry him in order to save Vincent, I think they will have a full on riot to deal with because that would make ALOT of beasties angry. I think that Vincent sure won't agree!
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Post by oriana happy 4 s3 on Mar 12, 2014 18:45:53 GMT -5
With what Curly above said. . . . Did make me think about the wedding being "interesting." Everything depends on Vincent's legal issues being fully resolved (and by that I mean dismissed) by the end of 217 or 218. If Vincent IS only out on bail, then Catherine would be expected to be a witness for the prosecution at the trial as well as Gabe. Bio-Dad may have ordered the hit on the man, but he was not actually present to see it done. The evidence then might be Vincent's DNA from Windsor's wound and Gabe's (and Cat's testimony). However, that is why I have a problem believing that Gabe actually did this as he would have to explain why he chose to wait to have Vincent charged with murder if he knew all along that it had happened. While Vincent WAS defending himself, he did use more force then he actually had to, arguably. Any defense attorney would point out that Gabe had an interest in seeing Vincent put away, so the trial really would come down to Catherine's testimony. And here is where the wedding issue could come up. A wife can't be compelled to testify against her husband. Thus, if Catherine marries Vincent, she can't be made to testify. Then the defense just has to discredit Gabe (and HELLO, Cat and Vincent sure know enough about Gabe's backlog of crimes to bring his actions/testimony into question). Again, this is why I can't see Gabe having been the one to have Vincent arrested since he would be potentially exposing himself if all the beast stuff came out. However, if Vincent and Catherine were suddenly compelled to get married to avoid her testifying against Vincent, I can certainly see why Heather would be back in the picture and probably aligning herself with others to keep the marriage from happening. I can't see the writers taking this angle, but you never know. Catherine would definitely have to talk Vincent into the marriage because Vincent would not want even the appearance of marrying Catherine due to self-interest rather than love. THAT would certainly be a heck of a twist to a VinCat marriage! (And then everything from the legal angle could get resolved and they decide to marry anyway because they do love each other and want to spend their lives together.) Just one of my thoughts! Thank for writing it so clear. I'm torn between this theory or the "Baddy" one (we know they exist - BK said it) because it's too obvious if it's Gabe... BTW we miss the mythology stuff...
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Post by kleighkat on Mar 12, 2014 19:12:43 GMT -5
I agree that the Cat/Gabe pairing was unpopular and if they went in the direction of forcing Cat to marry him in order to save Vincent, I think they will have a full on riot to deal with because that would make ALOT of beasties angry. I think that Vincent sure won't agree! No he won't. Come to think of it, maybe it would be a good idea to have Cat and Gabe get married. Then Vincent could interfere and take Cat away and leave Gabe at the alter. The look on his face would be priceless.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 19:33:37 GMT -5
I think that Vincent sure won't agree! No he won't. Come to think of it, maybe it would be a good idea to have Cat and Gabe get married. Then Vincent could interfere and take Cat away and leave Gabe at the alter. The look on his face would be priceless. The thought of Gabe and Catherine and marriage makes me sick to my stomach .
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Post by kleighkat on Mar 12, 2014 19:42:49 GMT -5
No he won't. Come to think of it, maybe it would be a good idea to have Cat and Gabe get married. Then Vincent could interfere and take Cat away and leave Gabe at the alter. The look on his face would be priceless. The thought of Gabe and Catherine and marriage makes me sick to my stomach . Same here. But I think it would be funny to see him left at the alter because it would be a reason for him to become evil again because I don't like this Gabe. I think he's better off being an evil character.
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Mar 12, 2014 22:44:26 GMT -5
With what Curly above said. . . . Did make me think about the wedding being "interesting." Everything depends on Vincent's legal issues being fully resolved (and by that I mean dismissed) by the end of 217 or 218. If Vincent IS only out on bail, then Catherine would be expected to be a witness for the prosecution at the trial as well as Gabe. Bio-Dad may have ordered the hit on the man, but he was not actually present to see it done. The evidence then might be Vincent's DNA from Windsor's wound and Gabe's (and Cat's testimony). However, that is why I have a problem believing that Gabe actually did this as he would have to explain why he chose to wait to have Vincent charged with murder if he knew all along that it had happened. While Vincent WAS defending himself, he did use more force then he actually had to, arguably. Any defense attorney would point out that Gabe had an interest in seeing Vincent put away, so the trial really would come down to Catherine's testimony. And here is where the wedding issue could come up. A wife can't be compelled to testify against her husband. Thus, if Catherine marries Vincent, she can't be made to testify. Then the defense just has to discredit Gabe (and HELLO, Cat and Vincent sure know enough about Gabe's backlog of crimes to bring his actions/testimony into question). Again, this is why I can't see Gabe having been the one to have Vincent arrested since he would be potentially exposing himself if all the beast stuff came out. However, if Vincent and Catherine were suddenly compelled to get married to avoid her testifying against Vincent, I can certainly see why Heather would be back in the picture and probably aligning herself with others to keep the marriage from happening. I can't see the writers taking this angle, but you never know. Catherine would definitely have to talk Vincent into the marriage because Vincent would not want even the appearance of marrying Catherine due to self-interest rather than love. THAT would certainly be a heck of a twist to a VinCat marriage! (And then everything from the legal angle could get resolved and they decide to marry anyway because they do love each other and want to spend their lives together.) If you are looking for someone other than Gabe to be the one behind V's arrest, I just have one question for ya . . . Did anyone actually see Tori die?!?! Hmmm . . . I dont think Tori is dead, just like I dont think Evan is dead... But I dont think Tori would be behind the arrest. I think it might be possible that is they do bring her back, perhaps it will be to be a witness or take the fall for Vincent. Or they'll just not involve her and we'll have her to worry about her in the future.... Like I've said in other posts. Im not sure if it is Gabe or if I just want it to be Gabe. The big baddies seem more logical to me. But Gabe I think will be doing something horrible to Vincat before the season is up, I just dont know if this is he master plan to arrest V for Windsor. He was too involved in that death and would have to answer too many questions. If I put my thinking cap on, I think he would have chosen another one of V's assassinations. But BioDad & Gabe will def go into overdrive trying to stop Vincat...
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Post by curly on Mar 12, 2014 23:10:13 GMT -5
Well if this season is running parallel to season 1 we got the kiss at the end of the ball, we got Vincent beasting out (possibly revealing himself) to influence someone, a dream, banana time at end, talk about a future or lack there of just think of all the other things mentioned, discussed or done in season 1 that can make an appearance in this season. I mean they even blew up servers again., we had a redhead love interest, etc... And as Yolie pointed out these things are almost in the same episode # as last season, in a round about anyway. So what are some things that we may have to look forward to in the next few episodes based on the experiences in the end of season 1 that we haven't seen yet. They may not happen in the same way but the story outline or structure is very similar though they have been using different characters and it plays out somewhat different. I suggest this could be some fun speculating and watch some of it play out.
1. Pregnancy scare, talk of future, kids, white picket fences etc... 2. Running away 3. Going on the run 4. Going into hiding, under ground 5. Losing a home 6. reveal of a family member 7. Reveal of a new baddy 8. Saving Heather 9. Possible cure 10. Gabe turning out bad and a beast lol 11. Date night 12. Vincent captured
The list goes on and on. All I am saying is how do you take any of these things and make them new or put a twist on it or even change the characters . It's interesting to see how much they have borrowed from season 1 obviously on purpose so it just might be a formula they are using to keep beasties interested in new direction by having some similarities to season 1. Not saying it has all been good stuff but the similarities have become more evident as the episodes have gone on. I could probably think of 8000 other things that could be used as well. So everyone can take any of my speculations with a grain of salt because a lot you don't notice until after we see it but anything is possible. I didn't think they would do half the stuff they did this season. I mean come on they had Vincent physically harm Cat. Anything goes IMO. They like to piss us off and toss us an old bone to gnaw at the same time.
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Post by curly on Mar 12, 2014 23:33:52 GMT -5
If you are looking for someone other than Gabe to be the one behind V's arrest, I just have one question for ya . . . Did anyone actually see Tori die?!?! Hmmm . . . I dont think Tori is dead, just like I dont think Evan is dead... But I dont think Tori would be behind the arrest. I think it might be possible that is they do bring her back, perhaps it will be to be a witness or take the fall for Vincent. Or they'll just not involve her and we'll have her to worry about her in the future.... Like I've said in other posts. Im not sure if it is Gabe or if I just want it to be Gabe. The big baddies seem more logical to me. But Gabe I think will be doing something horrible to Vincat before the season is up, I just dont know if this is he master plan to arrest V for Windsor. He was too involved in that death and would have to answer too many questions. If I put my thinking cap on, I think he would have chosen another one of V's assassinations. But BioDad & Gabe will def go into overdrive trying to stop Vincat... Well if they are trying to stop Vincat then the writers have got to start putting out the goods or clues as to their shared mythology etc...because otherwise this is just about a bunch of maniacal dimwits trying to protect Cat from a beast that she loves by the way. IMO Who wants to watch scorned Gabe running around trying to protect Cat (against her will may I add, so not romantic) or the father setting up Vincent to take the fall for something all season from his jail cell just to protect his daughter he barely knows and who hates him from a beast whom he at the very least altered if not created (all against her will may I add, so not nice). It's so unimaginative and boring quite frankly. It will be like 2 seasons and we got nowhere, IMO. We need to start finding out what the daddy knows and Gabe's intentions if any. Again its like on 1 long stagnant line of exposition that is going through to many episodes and will probably only peak in the finale. Which would suck if we do not get a season 3. Im must say though watching Gabe lean into Cat in the car on my big screen made all the difference in the feel than watching it on my iPad. Sooo on a lighter note he seemed soo much more arrogant and condescending on the big screen and the ending was 1000x better as well. It did have some movie quality feel. My 2 cents,sorry lol. Just want vent now and get it out of my system so it doesn't fester for 2+months. LOL
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