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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 23, 2014 15:12:09 GMT -5
So we have 8 episodes of Season 2 left. 2 of theses are already in the bag and hopefully by the end of 16 VinCat are back together in some form. That leaves 6. The Austin Basis Interview said these could be used to end the show on a high note if it wasn't renewed. (Nikita used 6 episodes to wrap things up nicely. This seems to be expected for series now, what with Netflix etc) Filming resumes tomorrow and continues until all episodes have been filmed. My question is this. How do they know what to film if they don't know if they are going to be renewed or not? Are they assuming they are done and give us the VinCat destiny ending or do they carry on with their original plan regardless. What do you think? Very interested to know beasties opinions All the little hints they're giving us point that they're working on the episodes as the series' finale. I don't have the illusion that they don't really know at this point what'll be the show's faith, specially considering that Kern and Pedowitz are personal friends. I think they'll use the remaining episodes to wrap some loose ends and give the show a resemblance of ending, but leaving enough in the air to pick up again if some miracle happens. Maybe they even let things not entirely close so the show would always have some attention and possibility to come back. It seems like the new fashion is reviving shows that were cancelled ages ago and Pedowitz is all about following fashion. did not know that pedowich and kern are friends
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 23, 2014 15:15:01 GMT -5
i also think they are filming with closure in mind even if they still do not know what the fate is they can always offer closure and start a new season anyway plus filming finishes end of april so they could even revise the finale script in early april before filming starts and end it with a cliffhanger if they knwo they are renewed
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Post by bookworm on Feb 23, 2014 15:17:00 GMT -5
So we have 8 episodes of Season 2 left. 2 of theses are already in the bag and hopefully by the end of 16 VinCat are back together in some form. That leaves 6. The Austin Basis Interview said these could be used to end the show on a high note if it wasn't renewed. (Nikita used 6 episodes to wrap things up nicely. This seems to be expected for series now, what with Netflix etc) Filming resumes tomorrow and continues until all episodes have been filmed. My question is this. How do they know what to film if they don't know if they are going to be renewed or not? Are they assuming they are done and give us the VinCat destiny ending or do they carry on with their original plan regardless. What do you think? Very interested to know beasties opinions Renewed or not? Not sure. There are 2 possibilities. a) the showrunners know the decision already (because it may not depend on ratings at all) but don't inform cast/crew about it as it's not official yet. b) nobody knows really so even TPTB are guessing and wait for the decision which will be made after the new shows' ratings are considered too in a few weeks' time. Last year they told us they didn't know until the last minute and they made the finale not knowing whether they would be able to continue... it would've been terrible had that been the last ep..... but I always had the feeling that they (or at least the producers) knew. But it's just me( my gut) .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 15:27:52 GMT -5
Renewed or not? Not sure. There are 2 possibilities. a) the showrunners know the decision already (because it may not depend on ratings at all) but don't inform cast/crew about it as it's not official yet. b) nobody knows really so even TPTB are guessing and wait for the decision which will be made after the new shows' ratings are considered too in a few weeks' time. Last year they told us they didn't know until the last minute and they made the finale not knowing whether they would be able to continue... it would've been terrible had that been the last ep..... but I always had the feeling that they (or at least the producers) knew. But it's just me( my gut) . I'm sure they knew the show would continue when they filmed the last episode of S1. They just couldn't tell us because the network didn't allow them to do so. And they were basking on the free publicity the show was having with beasties worry.
They introduced way too many elements of S2 on the last episode to be as blindly guessing as they affirmed they were. I think Kern had already started to call some shots from episode 19 on. There was already traces of his new direction there.
Maybe I'm wrong, but all this fuss the crew is making about calling beasties to fight for S3 seems a little trick of smoke and mirrors. But I'm bitter and everybody knows that. I'm not even ashamed of it.
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Post by raniamahd on Feb 23, 2014 17:02:16 GMT -5
I read about it and I hope for this show in order to take Gabe away from the BATB.
Sorry for the off topic! Why does it matter if Gabe is in the show or not? All the damage that the character's presence could do to the show was already done. If he gets out of the show next episode, Cat still had entered a relationship with the man responsible for the destruction of her happiness with Vincent. Tori dying changed the fact that Vincent chose to follow her to the dark side instead of fighting for Cat? IMO, it only made her arc look even more shallow because now Vincent doesn't have to fight her influence and try hard to stay in the good side. I wanted to see his integrity overcoming his bestial nature and that didn't happen. He had a 2 seconds epiphany and set her straight only to get rid of everything that came along with her instantly with her death. Convenient, shallow and unnecessary. Kern couldn't have put Gabe as Catherine's love interest. It's simple as that. If Gabe gets out of the show, what would change? We all know that this insanity of love triangles was only bogus, anyway and none of those relationships were real or would last. Gabe, the character, isn't the problem here. any way i want Gabe out of the show or what remains of it ! first for the actor sake ? maybe if he leaves BATB he then can take a role in another show where he actually can have a story line ?! because since s2 started he had absolutely no purpose or a real role ? they turned him into a cheap plot device and it is a waste to his talent because he does a role any apprentice actor with no experience or talent can easily do ! second, Gabe now really is annoying me ! he acts like all he did in just 6 months ago is a tiny mistake and as he did redeem for it ?! he even treats and looks to Vincent superior just because he is no longer a beast although V saved his life so many time now and did so good things Gabe even as a human can't competitive with them ! you know , if Cat cheats on him with V i will never feel sorry for him ! i will feel sorry for Cat if she become that low , sorry for vincat if they turned them to an affair and a cheating on Cat's official relationship ! but not for Gabe because he deserves it ! he was there and knew very well how C&V meant to each other , he was one of the reasons cased their separation , he knew how Cat suffered when she lost V ,he knew Cat saved his life only to help her get V back , he took advantage of Cat when she was fragile and he knows very well rebounding relation never work out and still accept to be Cat's rebound ! so he is like Tori knows exactly what he is going to involve in and that it would never end well and still go for it ! so he has no one but himself to blame when this meaningless relation comes to its expecting and logical end !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 17:37:53 GMT -5
any way i want Gabe out of the show or what remains of it ! first for the actor sake ? maybe if he leaves BATB he then can take a role in another show where he actually can have a story line ?! because since s2 started he had absolutely no purpose or a real role ? they turned him into a cheap plot device and it is a waste to his talent because he does a role any apprentice actor with no experience or talent can easily do ! second, Gabe now really is annoying me ! he acts like all he did in just 6 months ago is a tiny mistake and as he did redeem for it ?! he even treats and looks to Vincent superior just because he is no longer a beast although V saved his life so many time now and did so good things Gabe even as a human can't competitive with them ! you know , if Cat cheats on him with V i will never feel sorry for him ! i will feel sorry for Cat if she become that low , sorry for vincat if they turned them to an affair and a cheating on Cat's official relationship ! but not for Gabe because he deserves it ! he was there and knew very well how C&V meant to each other , he was one of the reasons cased their separation , he knew how Cat suffered when she lost V ,he knew Cat saved his life only to help her get V back , he took advantage of Cat when she was fragile and he knows very well rebounding relation never work out and still accept to be Cat's rebound ! so he is like Tori knows exactly what he is going to involve in and that it would never end well and still go for it ! so he has no one but himself to blame when this meaningless relation comes to its expecting and logical end ! I really don't see why Gabe being in the show or not will make any difference. The damage to Cat's character was already done, there's no way back now. So, to me, Gabe or not Gabe, as well as Tori or not Tori, is completely irrelevant and indifferent. In fact, a lot of things on this new season are irrelevant and indifferent. They're only pure lack of imagination and/or sense of respect. I do think that he won't take Cat dumping him lightly because, as I said before, he doesn't love her, she's his prize. No champion gives up the prize easily. I think he has some agreement with Bio-dad to keep Vincent out of Cat's life and that can play some part on the rest of the season. I agree with you that Sendhil deserves better, but that's all the show runners gave him and I think he's trying to make the best of it. Gabe being a part of the show it's not the problem, only a sympton of the problem
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Post by coldpizza on Feb 23, 2014 18:30:14 GMT -5
So we have 8 episodes of Season 2 left. 2 of theses are already in the bag and hopefully by the end of 16 VinCat are back together in some form. That leaves 6. The Austin Basis Interview said these could be used to end the show on a high note if it wasn't renewed. (Nikita used 6 episodes to wrap things up nicely. This seems to be expected for series now, what with Netflix etc) Filming resumes tomorrow and continues until all episodes have been filmed. My question is this. How do they know what to film if they don't know if they are going to be renewed or not? Are they assuming they are done and give us the VinCat destiny ending or do they carry on with their original plan regardless. What do you think? Very interested to know beasties opinions Renewed or not? Not sure. There are 2 possibilities. a) the showrunners know the decision already (because it may not depend on ratings at all) but don't inform cast/crew about it as it's not official yet. b) nobody knows really so even TPTB are guessing and wait for the decision which will be made after the new shows' ratings are considered too in a few weeks' time. Last year they told us they didn't know until the last minute and they made the finale not knowing whether they would be able to continue... it would've been terrible had that been the last ep..... but I always had the feeling that they (or at least the producers) knew. But it's just me( my gut) . Couple of positives for this show. This is Mark Pedowitz's project. Sold to 25 countries and counting. Season 1 was very sellable with flaws and all. Possible summer show if they decide to fill the summer hours. Place warmer for new shows that fail. 44 shows in the can. VinCat hookups. Couple of negatives. Ratings, obviously. Weak story even in season 1. At some point, it looked like they were making things up as they went. BK as showrunner and writer. And writing in general. At least when Jen and Sherri write, the characters actually say something and connect. I remember single VinCat moment from season 2. When VinCat talk about what kind of couple they were in episode 2, they were actually cute, flirty and natural looking! I don't mean the kiss or the kidnapping. People talk about soiling of characters this season, but lets not forget they were no angels in season 1. Innocent people died because of them in season 1 too. Alex, Evan, Joe's brother, these people die because of them. Cat goes crazy after Joe's brother dies, not for dead guy, for her sister Heather. Joe's brother's dead and Vincent had a hand in the death and the saving of Joe's brother and Heather. And she's right back to being happy now that Heather's safe. They connect on the roof. They were selfish flawed people from the start. They show very little empathy for other people when they die, right? LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 18:52:55 GMT -5
People talk about soiling of characters this season, but lets not forget they were no angels in season 1. Innocent people died because of them in season 1 too. Alex, Evan, Joe's brother, these people die because of them. Cat goes crazy after Joe's brother dies, not for dead guy, for her sister Heather. Joe's brother's dead and Vincent had a hand in the death and the saving of Joe's brother and Heather. And she's right back to being happy now that Heather's safe. They connect on the roof. They were selfish flawed people from the start. They show very little empathy for other people when they die, right? LOL Yes, the characters were flawed in S1, but back then, there was depth and meaning on their flawed actions. Most importantly, the characters had a thing called integrity. Something overrated to Mr. Kern, apparently.
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Post by coldpizza on Feb 23, 2014 19:08:51 GMT -5
People talk about soiling of characters this season, but lets not forget they were no angels in season 1. Innocent people died because of them in season 1 too. Alex, Evan, Joe's brother, these people die because of them. Cat goes crazy after Joe's brother dies, not for dead guy, for her sister Heather. Joe's brother's dead and Vincent had a hand in the death and the saving of Joe's brother and Heather. And she's right back to being happy now that Heather's safe. They connect on the roof. They were selfish flawed people from the start. They show very little empathy for other people when they die, right? LOL Yes, the characters were flawed in S1, but back then, there was depth and meaning on their flawed actions. Most importantly, the characters had a thing called integrity. Something overrated to Mr. Kern, apparently. He's very interested in syndication. 5 years is what he talks about a lot. He talks about what he learned from Lois and Clark, not getting to 5 and how Charmed got to .. whatever that got. 8? That had 3 female leads which brings to lots of story possibilities. When he talks about this show, he wants 5 seasons, the syndication season. Why not just think about telling a good story first. He seems very interested in extending the story at whatever the cost. I'm not watching this show for integrity but I didn't expect amnesia and Vincent choking and throwing her on the roof. And her defending him, stuff like that is just cake on top. Poison cake.
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Post by texasscotian on Feb 23, 2014 20:46:53 GMT -5
Yes, the characters were flawed in S1, but back then, there was depth and meaning on their flawed actions. Most importantly, the characters had a thing called integrity. Something overrated to Mr. Kern, apparently. He's very interested in syndication. 5 years is what he talks about a lot. He talks about what he learned from Lois and Clark, not getting to 5 and how Charmed got to .. whatever that got. 8? That had 3 female leads which brings to lots of story possibilities. When he talks about this show, he wants 5 seasons, the syndication season. Why not just think about telling a good story first. He seems very interested in extending the story at whatever the cost. I'm not watching this show for integrity but I didn't expect amnesia and Vincent choking and throwing her on the roof. And her defending him, stuff like that is just cake on top. Poison cake. Was Kern the Showrunner for Lois and Clark? I loved Lois and Clark.. granted it was cheesy at times, especially toward the end of the series, but it was livable. I don't like all the story lines that he has done this season, but I don't feel like the whole season is a waste. But that's my opinion, and I can definitely understand where you are coming from.
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Post by Reyna on Feb 23, 2014 21:20:10 GMT -5
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Feb 23, 2014 21:56:35 GMT -5
He's very interested in syndication. 5 years is what he talks about a lot. He talks about what he learned from Lois and Clark, not getting to 5 and how Charmed got to .. whatever that got. 8? That had 3 female leads which brings to lots of story possibilities. When he talks about this show, he wants 5 seasons, the syndication season. Why not just think about telling a good story first. He seems very interested in extending the story at whatever the cost. I'm not watching this show for integrity but I didn't expect amnesia and Vincent choking and throwing her on the roof. And her defending him, stuff like that is just cake on top. Poison cake. Was Kern the Showrunner for Lois and Clark? I loved Lois and Clark.. granted it was cheesy at times, especially toward the end of the series, but it was livable. I don't like all the story lines that he has done this season, but I don't feel like the whole season is a waste. But that's my opinion, and I can definitely understand where you are coming from. I remember liking Lois & Clark when it was on, thought it was good, a little rough towards the end. A lot of s2 bothered me, esp when they made Vincent character so dark and Catherine so damaged, but I can see now where they wanted to take me. It's unpleasant and I was angry. But I think that only made me want to fight harder for the show and Vincat. The triangles absolutely wrecked the story line. IMO, if we extract the triangles from the plot lines, the show did have more action to it and the mythology is intriguing. I think the writers mismanaged character development, but they seem to be getting back on track again. I think a lot of people's frustration has been the lack of Vincat and their epic love. I can understand why showrunners want to separate leads to extend the show's run. But at some point, you still need to put elements in the show that makes us want them back together. They seemed to want to pulverize all remnants of their connection. And I think that is where the writers went wrong. They forgot to remind us why Vincat is so amazing. Perhaps, Catherine could have had more dreams. Or we could have had more legit flashbacks from Vincent. We all know they are amazing, but I really appreciate visual reminders of how great they are together. In that way they could please the audience and introduce their new direction. They could have written their new plot lines in a way that did not sacrifice character development or regress characters. But I think they know that now. I can understand your frustration with show... I can agree with some of your points/thoughts. I do think the show needed to grow a little from s1, so I think we are experiencing some of those awkward growing pains. I think S1 had exhausted many of their story plots. I loved the characters and romantic scenes in s1, but overall some of the episodes had plot lines that were too predictable or not exciting. Im just trying to be hopeful that they will outgrow some of the melodrama elements if we do get a new season. Keep the mythology and the missions, but get rid of the unnecessary soap opera like triangles.
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Post by coldpizza on Feb 23, 2014 22:03:11 GMT -5
He's very interested in syndication. 5 years is what he talks about a lot. He talks about what he learned from Lois and Clark, not getting to 5 and how Charmed got to .. whatever that got. 8? That had 3 female leads which brings to lots of story possibilities. When he talks about this show, he wants 5 seasons, the syndication season. Why not just think about telling a good story first. He seems very interested in extending the story at whatever the cost. I'm not watching this show for integrity but I didn't expect amnesia and Vincent choking and throwing her on the roof. And her defending him, stuff like that is just cake on top. Poison cake. Was Kern the Showrunner for Lois and Clark? I loved Lois and Clark.. granted it was cheesy at times, especially toward the end of the series, but it was livable. I don't like all the story lines that he has done this season, but I don't feel like the whole season is a waste. But that's my opinion, and I can definitely understand where you are coming from. I believe he was one of the co-executive producer and one of the writers for the last season. Check Wiki to know for sure.
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Post by texasscotian on Feb 23, 2014 22:06:19 GMT -5
Was Kern the Showrunner for Lois and Clark? I loved Lois and Clark.. granted it was cheesy at times, especially toward the end of the series, but it was livable. I don't like all the story lines that he has done this season, but I don't feel like the whole season is a waste. But that's my opinion, and I can definitely understand where you are coming from. I believe he was one of the co-creators and one of the writers for the last season. Check Wiki to know for sure. Interesting to know. Thanks for the info. I'll definitely check Wiki to find out for sure.
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Post by coldpizza on Feb 23, 2014 22:08:44 GMT -5
I believe he was one of the co-creators and one of the writers for the last season. Check Wiki to know for sure. Interesting to know. Thanks for the info. I'll definitely check Wiki to find out for sure. co-executive producer. Interview www.tvshowsondvd.com/articles/bradkern.cfm
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