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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Jan 30, 2014 9:04:24 GMT -5
Yes, exactly. Parallel story lines. You know I failed to see the purpose of that Zach character - his importance to the bigger picture until about 15 minutes ago. They were trying to foreshadow what was to come, Vincent actually says that is what he would become without Catherine. I can't help but wonder if love isn't the key? Mmmm... yep... that was the point of that conversation... I think few of us already mentioned here...  I'm glad you realized it too!  Of course, it made sense the first time, but it looks different if you watch it now, then it did before everything that has happened happened… it is actually a bit of a hail mary for Vincent's character. That is all I'm saying. I still think they took things WAY TOO FAR, but whatever. |
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Jan 30, 2014 9:05:55 GMT -5
Mmmm... yep... that was the point of that conversation... I think few of us already mentioned here... I'm glad you realized it too! but i do think that love is the key regardless of the mythology element
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 30, 2014 9:07:52 GMT -5
but i do think that love is the key regardless of the mythology element
i found tori as serving a purpose in the initial episodes but not in the last couple of episodes in those she has been pretty useless IMO |
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Jan 30, 2014 9:09:45 GMT -5
Mmmm... yep... that was the point of that conversation... I think few of us already mentioned here... I'm glad you realized it too! but i do think that love is the key regardless of the mythology element Yeah, me too. Maybe their ancestors or back story have a lot of elements in common and cross but their love is only theirs, not mythology related! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 9:13:51 GMT -5
Mmmm... yep... that was the point of that conversation... I think few of us already mentioned here... I'm glad you realized it too! Of course, it made sense the first time, but it looks different if you watch it now, then it did before everything that has happened happened… it is actually a bit of a hail mary for Vincent's character. That is all I'm saying. I still think they took things WAY TOO FAR, but whatever.
Yeah, I realized that that was the intention of that entire episode. Still doesn't give Vincent a free-pass and, frankly, doesn't make sense to me.
Because Cat was by his side. She was loving him despite all his wrong doings. She was supporting him until the moment she shot him. He chose to go to the dark side the minute she-beast entered his life, the minute he was presented with other option. It's a vicious circle, really. Vincent gave himself to his beast and welcomed she-beast in his bed because Cat left him. Cat left him because he gave himself to his beast and welcomed she-beast in his bed.
So, no. This argument is too weak for me and it kind of makes Catherine the villain which is far from the truth. |
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Jan 30, 2014 9:14:29 GMT -5
EXACTLY. Still doesn't give Tori a purpose, but whatever, I'm over the writers making sense of her character. She's just as pointless as ever, and Vincent and Catherine, well they didn't need her to connect any of these dots…
i found tori as serving a purpose in the initial episodes but not in the last couple of episodes in those she has been pretty useless IMO Well it could have been something that she was a first of her kind - whatever effect she had on Vincent, it seemed like that was going somewhere, but obviously it was just a means to an end. She doesn't seem to serve any purpose in the bigger picture, and she certainly isn't the key to Vincent and Catherine discovering their connection again or whatever that BS was. I mean come on, that is the biggest lie I have ever heard from the creative team. Vincent and Catherine seem to have discovered that they were meant to work together at least all on their own. What will happen next? Tori loses herself to the dark side because she realizes V. doesn't actually have feelings for her? And that is somehow going to show V. and Catherine something? BS. She was a plot device. She has one more episode to become something more than that. |
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 30, 2014 9:19:58 GMT -5
i found tori as serving a purpose in the initial episodes but not in the last couple of episodes in those she has been pretty useless IMO Well it could have been something that she was a first of her kind - whatever effect she had on Vincent, it seemed like that was going somewhere, but obviously it was just a means to an end. She doesn't seem to serve any purpose in the bigger picture, and she certainly isn't the key to Vincent and Catherine discovering their connection again or whatever that BS was. I mean come on, that is the biggest lie I have ever heard from the creative team. Vincent and Catherine seem to have discovered that they were meant to work together at least all on their own. What will happen next? Tori loses herself to the dark side because she realizes V. doesn't actually have feelings for her? And that is somehow going to show V. and Catherine something? BS. She was a plot device. She has one more episode to become something more than that. well lets see what happens in 12 and then i can comment on her properly the tori essay lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 9:20:08 GMT -5
In my opinion.....
Tori's purpose = Vin + Cat = Beast baby possibility.
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Jan 30, 2014 9:22:10 GMT -5
Of course, it made sense the first time, but it looks different if you watch it now, then it did before everything that has happened happened… it is actually a bit of a hail mary for Vincent's character. That is all I'm saying. I still think they took things WAY TOO FAR, but whatever.
Yeah, I realized that that was the intention of that entire episode. Still doesn't give Vincent a free-pass and, frankly, doesn't make sense to me.
Because Cat was by his side. She was loving him despite all his wrong doings. She was supporting him until the moment she shot him. He chose to go to the dark side the minute she-beast entered his life, the minute he was presented with other option. It's a vicious circle, really. Vincent gave himself to his beast and welcomed she-beast in his bed because Cat left him. Cat left him because he gave himself to his beast and welcomed she-beast in his bed.
So, no. This argument is too weak for me and it kind of makes Catherine the villain which is far from the truth. Yes, I realized that the first time too. I'm saying if you watch it again, it is obvious the writers are trying to tell us something. If you want to wag your finger at me and say you understood it all along and it is a weak excuse go ahead. I don't like this storyline either, for the record. I'm just making an observation. I would like to go back in time and have them rewrite the last 6-7 episodes… but that is not going to happen. We are going to get what we are going to get. Trying to see where they were coming from may be important in the end, so that it will seem less like they ruined the show, that is all I'm really saying. Catherine is not the villain. She wasn't ever the villain. There has never been a sex-scene with Vincent and Tori. Period. Jumping to conclusions is jumping to conclusions. Intent matters. Love is the salvation for Vincent's humanity, that is all I'm really getting at, and there is a scene that explains all of this before any of it happened. It becomes important now, as he tries to find his way back from this downward spiral. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 9:22:25 GMT -5
In my opinion..... Tori's purpose = Vin + Cat = Beast baby possibility. 1 1/2 episodes and she is off jet setting to Europe to spend her inheritance. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 9:35:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I realized that that was the intention of that entire episode. Still doesn't give Vincent a free-pass and, frankly, doesn't make sense to me.
Because Cat was by his side. She was loving him despite all his wrong doings. She was supporting him until the moment she shot him. He chose to go to the dark side the minute she-beast entered his life, the minute he was presented with other option. It's a vicious circle, really. Vincent gave himself to his beast and welcomed she-beast in his bed because Cat left him. Cat left him because he gave himself to his beast and welcomed she-beast in his bed.
So, no. This argument is too weak for me and it kind of makes Catherine the villain which is far from the truth. Yes, I realized that the first time too. I'm saying if you watch it again, it is obvious the writers are trying to tell us something. If you want to wag your finger at me and say you understood it all along and it is a weak excuse go ahead. I don't like this storyline either, for the record. I'm just making an observation. I would like to go back in time and have them rewrite the last 6-7 episodes… but that is not going to happen. We are going to get what we are going to get. Trying to see where they were coming from may be important in the end, so that it will seem less like they ruined the show, that is all I'm really saying. Catherine is not the villain. She wasn't ever the villain. There has never been a sex-scene with Vincent and Tori. Period. Jumping to conclusions is jumping to conclusions. Intent matters. Love is the salvation for Vincent's humanity, that is all I'm really getting at, and there is a scene that explains all of this before any of it happened. It becomes important now, as he tries to find his way back from this downward spiral. |
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Post by bookworm on Jan 30, 2014 13:43:01 GMT -5
but i do think that love is the key regardless of the mythology element Yeah, me too. Maybe their ancestors or back story have a lot of elements in common and cross but their love is only theirs, not mythology related! I like this idea! I also have a theory of my own.... maybe a little crazy but who cares  So what if V and Cat discover that their ancestors were enemies in the past? The Reynolds family kept beast as their "pets" ruling them using that leash...  So they find out that it is impossible to have a relationship because of these things happened in the past, committed by C's ancestors.... They will feel fate brought them together once but then tore them apart... simply because they can't be together!  But then they realize they don't care about the past.... they are in the present and although they stand in opposite sides they are in love with each other no matter what their families/ancestors did.... so they forgive each other and decide they WANT this relationship because they are destined and they can't escape from their feelings...  So VinCat take their ralationship on a whole new level because this is DESTINY and the LOVE of your life... no Gabes or Toris there! It is a lifetime commitment that they want together - I think this is what the producers/writers suggested: when they come together again they will be stronger than ever. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 13:58:39 GMT -5
Yeah, me too. Maybe their ancestors or back story have a lot of elements in common and cross but their love is only theirs, not mythology related! I like this idea! I also have a theory of my own.... maybe a little crazy but who cares So what if V and Cat discover that their ancestors were enemies in the past? The Reynolds family kept beast as their "pets" ruling them using that leash... So they find out that it is impossible to have a relationship because of these things happened in the past, committed by C's ancestors.... They will feel fate brought them together once but then tore them apart... simply because they can't be together! But then they realize they don't care about the past.... they are in the present and although they stand in opposite sides they are in love with each other no matter what their families/ancestors did.... so they forgive each other and decide they WANT this relationship because they are destined and they can't escape from their feelings... So VinCat take their ralationship on a whole new level because this is DESTINY and the LOVE of your life... no Gabes or Toris there! It is a lifetime commitment that they want together - I think this is what the producers/writers suggested: when they come together again they will be stronger than ever.[/ quote] You think this is a crazy idea?? It's brilliant or should I say fan-freaking-tastic!!! |
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 30, 2014 14:07:46 GMT -5
Yeah, me too. Maybe their ancestors or back story have a lot of elements in common and cross but their love is only theirs, not mythology related! I like this idea! I also have a theory of my own.... maybe a little crazy but who cares So what if V and Cat discover that their ancestors were enemies in the past? The Reynolds family kept beast as their "pets" ruling them using that leash... So they find out that it is impossible to have a relationship because of these things happened in the past, committed by C's ancestors.... They will feel fate brought them together once but then tore them apart... simply because they can't be together! But then they realize they don't care about the past.... they are in the present and although they stand in opposite sides they are in love with each other no matter what their families/ancestors did.... so they forgive each other and decide they WANT this relationship because they are destined and they can't escape from their feelings... So VinCat take their ralationship on a whole new level because this is DESTINY and the LOVE of your life... no Gabes or Toris there! It is a lifetime commitment that they want together - I think this is what the producers/writers suggested: when they come together again they will be stronger than ever. well i for one find this theory really romantic so i would be a happy beastie if that were to happen! |
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Post by bookworm on Jan 30, 2014 14:15:55 GMT -5
Well this is the idea of EPIC LOVE to me... I'm in a romantic mood today...     I have other ideas too but it's hard to put them into words as i'm no writer.... but I could fill a few fanfic with my ideas Let's just say VinCat inspire me. |
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