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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 23, 2013 2:02:30 GMT -5
I was watching Heart Of Darkness AGAIN yesterday (yup sucker for punishment I know LOL)
One of the main things I would like the writers to clear up in season 2 is how Vincent knows about Catherine's *parent<edited> and what he knows about them. That has been eating away at me since Evan asked him if he knew. I have a few theories on this
1. Vincent has someone on the INSIDE of M giving him information and somehow protecting him..(either he knows about this person or doesn't) 2. Vincent could have been MORE to M then just an experiement gone wild 3. Catherine's fake shady daddy is Vincent's informant 4. Maybe JT hacked M computer files and found out about Catherine's parents.
Those are all possibilities I can come up with....
The writers said on Twitter they will have a Q&A in the coming week maybe...If that's the case I am going to ask them if we will get this answer this season LOL
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Post by kiki09 on Jun 23, 2013 3:24:03 GMT -5
^ Please do yolie. Yes, I agree with you. I need to know the nature of what V knows AND the nature of his relationship with M. It has always bugged me because I have a feeling that he was more to them than an experiment and maybe that has to do with the reason he got out and back to NY.
I really want to know the extent of V's knowledge of Muirfield. There's so much that can come from there.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 23, 2013 4:21:36 GMT -5
^ I'm planning on it! I am going to see if I can get some info out of them LOL
^ If by any chance Vincent was somehow more envolved with M then we know about that would be a major problem..I mean that would taint Vincent's image more then the Alex arc I think..What if he was working with M and then he decided he couldn't? Maybe he was mislead to work for them like Evan was? Either way that would be a major no no when it comes to Catherine..Look at her mother, she knows her mom worked for M and has shown her disapproval for it many of times and dislikes the fact she did..Imagine if Vincent was also working for M what would she think??
Then again it would explain even further the *wanting to do the right thing* theme again...Seeing what M was capable of and him somewhat envolved and having a change of heart would give him the guilt he's had for 10 years. That would explain a lot too!
I just hope the writers don't go that way..I like drama but that is pure deceit on his part further tainting the Vincent dynamic and the EPIC love theme of the show WOW!
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Post by kiki09 on Jun 23, 2013 5:25:25 GMT -5
^ Yes I agree somewhat. I think the difference (if the writers should go there) would be that, from what we've seen Mummy Chandler went in knowing exactly what she was doing and who she signed up to do it with. She knew Muirfield was dangerous etc and still went ahead working for them.
In V's case, that's not as clear. Remember he only joined the army because of his brothers and the fried that came with it. If he did carry on working for M, we don't know for how long and when he got out so for me, I don't think the Vanessa situation and Vincent are actually too similar. But I also don't know that keeping this huge secret (again if the writers go this way) especially from Catherine would be good, for either of them for that matter.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 23, 2013 5:34:58 GMT -5
^ I understand about willingly like her mom and somehow being mislead...But it doesn't change the fact that the writers decided to go that way that Catherine wouldn't be too happy with Vincent. My worst fear is that Real Daddy and Vincent know each other and he worked for him or something ..This 5 month hiatus is making me go crazy LOL!
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Post by kiki09 on Jun 23, 2013 6:05:18 GMT -5
^ Lol!! You and the rest of us! It's left is too much time to ponder and theorize.
I think that would be a gigantic twist if Daddy Muirfield and V knew each other! The only way to salvage that was that it was one of the memories repressed by Muirfield and V couldn't remember any of their interactions together.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 23, 2013 7:58:14 GMT -5
^ Lol!! You and the rest of us! It's left is too much time to ponder and theorize. I think that would be a gigantic twist if Daddy Muirfield and V knew each other! The only way to salvage that was that it was one of the memories repressed by Muirfield and V couldn't remember any of their interactions together. Still would piss Catherine off lol....But once the initial shock wares off she'll try to make sense of it...let's not forget that the one that has Vincent and is M is also her daddy! OH BOY SEE WHAT A MESS!
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Post by kiki09 on Jun 23, 2013 8:54:10 GMT -5
Lol!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 23, 2013 12:45:52 GMT -5
Latest on a possible schedule f I r filming...
@designerashton who is the costume designer for the show goes back to work tomorrow. ..Cara which is also the on set coordinator and make up team go back in about 2 weeks. .She was asked when the cast would begin filming.She said the end of next month (July)...Take into consideration they are talking filming. .The cast has to go back about a week before filming starts for prepping,costume fittings and such
Now I was wondering..Kristin hair changed from when she did the finale..what will they do to make it look the way it did? Hmmmmmm intresting lol
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Jun 23, 2013 15:25:47 GMT -5
^ I'm planning on it! I am going to see if I can get some info out of them LOL ^ If by any chance Vincent was somehow more envolved with M then we know about that would be a major problem..I mean that would taint Vincent's image more then the Alex arc I think..What if he was working with M and then he decided he couldn't? Maybe he was mislead to work for them like Evan was? Either way that would be a major no no when it comes to Catherine..Look at her mother, she knows her mom worked for M and has shown her disapproval for it many of times and dislikes the fact she did..Imagine if Vincent was also working for M what would she think?? Then again it would explain even further the *wanting to do the right thing* theme again...Seeing what M was capable of and him somewhat envolved and having a change of heart would give him the guilt he's had for 10 years. That would explain a lot too! I just hope the writers don't go that way..I like drama but that is pure deceit on his part further tainting the Vincent dynamic and the EPIC love theme of the show WOW! Well it would taint his entire character if you ask me. This is the kind of stuff I have a HUGE problem with. Because then most of his original story becomes a lie. Go back to the pilot and that first discussion they had after the train station save - part of what was magic about that scene is that he *supposedly* came clean with her. It was kind of amazing, for someone like him to just spill it. That was why I fell for the show to begin with - the fact that he had mostly been a victim of this government experiment gone wrong, had to fight and remain in hiding just to stay alive... the vulnerability that he showed in that scene was magic for me. I think character-wise, what needs to happen is that he found something out about her parents just recently - in the last year. Whatever he told her in the beginning needs to still be true, or it is just total character destruction. I think the easy out the writers can take is that he remembered something during a flashback, or found something out in the time since he and Catherine got close... We need to be able to go back and watch the first episode, without his character being tainted, or it tilts the entire series on its axis IMO.
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Post by kiki09 on Jun 23, 2013 17:22:54 GMT -5
^ I didn't even think of that spydancer but you've just made an excellent point!
He was very open and honest with her in the pilot and I liked that because it was so refreshing but very in tune with Vincent's character and his relationship with Catherine as they built the trust between the two of them.
Like you said, as long as they don't taint his character and handle all these things with care, I'll be okay.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 23, 2013 22:28:23 GMT -5
^ I'm planning on it! I am going to see if I can get some info out of them LOL ^ If by any chance Vincent was somehow more envolved with M then we know about that would be a major problem..I mean that would taint Vincent's image more then the Alex arc I think..What if he was working with M and then he decided he couldn't? Maybe he was mislead to work for them like Evan was? Either way that would be a major no no when it comes to Catherine..Look at her mother, she knows her mom worked for M and has shown her disapproval for it many of times and dislikes the fact she did..Imagine if Vincent was also working for M what would she think?? Then again it would explain even further the *wanting to do the right thing* theme again...Seeing what M was capable of and him somewhat envolved and having a change of heart would give him the guilt he's had for 10 years. That would explain a lot too! I just hope the writers don't go that way..I like drama but that is pure deceit on his part further tainting the Vincent dynamic and the EPIC love theme of the show WOW! Well it would taint his entire character if you ask me. This is the kind of stuff I have a HUGE problem with. Because then most of his original story becomes a lie. Go back to the pilot and that first discussion they had after the train station save - part of what was magic about that scene is that he *supposedly* came clean with her. It was kind of amazing, for someone like him to just spill it. That was why I fell for the show to begin with - the fact that he had mostly been a victim of this government experiment gone wrong, had to fight and remain in hiding just to stay alive... the vulnerability that he showed in that scene was magic for me. I think character-wise, what needs to happen is that he found something out about her parents just recently - in the last year. Whatever he told her in the beginning needs to still be true, or it is just total character destruction. I think the easy out the writers can take is that he remembered something during a flashback, or found something out in the time since he and Catherine got close... We need to be able to go back and watch the first episode, without his character being tainted, or it tilts the entire series on its axis IMO. Exactly Spydancer that is what I meant by the Vincent dynamic, we got a sense of him in the pilot that if something like this were to happen would change not only Catherine's way she sees him but also the viewers like yourself and ME that feel in love with him from the get go...He wanted to be strong but yet he was vulnerable and how he opened up to her and let her in ...This is what I don't want to happen cause the the show takes a different direction and meaning for me. I think that even trying to go there would do damage..I mean how will they explain this? Repressive memory? When would Vincent have found out of her parents? The same time he figures out what part he played in M if any?? I don't know...LOL..this is torture! I keep saying that the fact that in H.O.D in the subway convo..He told her that "All the years I was watching over you...All I wanted to do was to meet you..get to know you." That was put there for a reason LOL..I feel that convo will hit us in the ass in season 2! My opinion of course LOL Never take ANYTHING I say serious..well when it comes to speculations that is
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Post by ragulr25 on Jun 23, 2013 23:24:04 GMT -5
many of them don't like Vincent in a grey area .l for one love to see vincent in a grey territory .vincent as a beast had killed less than 20 people in 22ep.I want gruesome killings in s2 and more than 50 people should be dead .beast must be a terrifying animal we have seen the soft side of it.now we gotta see the other side of the beast.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 23, 2013 23:41:14 GMT -5
^ has nothing to do with who Vincent was or is..The beast is a part of him..even if he becomes more vicious cause they do something to his DNA Catherine wouldn't hold that against him..Just seeing more blood unnecessary..We know what Vincent is capable of doing..He did that with Darius...And he regreted it..That's his struggle that is his curse. He knows this as does Catherine and the audience who watch the show..Now if you are talking about bloodier for raising ratings..that might not do it either..
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 24, 2013 0:34:12 GMT -5
@sherricooper22
productive Sunday am. wrote at a salon with @jenniferlevin22; walked away with 202 story beats AND nice nails. #newwritersroom idea?
I looked that up as in terms of writing:
A beat is a the smallest unit of story telling. It is a piece of the story in which something happens
Okay bits and pieces of info..maybe by adding it all up we get a sense of *something* LOL
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