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Post by BeastieBoy on Sept 10, 2016 12:15:26 GMT -5
For the next-to-last ever episode, I didn't want a bulk of it to be Vincent being tortured. Especially this close to 9/11 in the US. It just dawned on me that Canada will actually air this episode on 9/11. How ironic, yet fitting. The US finally gets to see the ep first for a change, but Canada gets the more fitting air date. LOL.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Sept 11, 2016 3:38:17 GMT -5
TV Empress enjoyed this episode. But her recap review is hilarious! I LOLed too many times to count! www.tvrepublik.com/2016/09/recap-batb-s4-e12.html?spref=twI also learned a new word. I didn't realize that "Cabal" is actually a real word and was being used in proper context. I thought JT was saying "Kabal" as in the fictitious character from the Mortal Kombat video games (which I'm sure none of you gals have any inkling as to what I'm referring to).
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Post by BeastieBoy on Sept 11, 2016 4:08:31 GMT -5
SaveSave No tearful goodbyes. Somehow, that makes me feel kind of sad.
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Post by joyabeast on Sept 11, 2016 7:43:17 GMT -5
After watching all the flashbacks in this episode I have one question for which we never got an answer. I mean before Cat shot V in 208 he only had a few flashes of his past. But bam after the shoting he keep saying things nobody told him again I supose. I mean how did Vincent knew that Tess shot him before in 211 and after that he told Cat about the kiss in AMP in 216 and than season 3 onwards he had several flashbacks,that means he remember everything but when did that happen. We never saw that on the show.
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Post by simona on Sept 11, 2016 11:05:45 GMT -5
The episode is full of action, suspense and flashbacks like others. I like it... It's fast, without time to think. I started to see it, it was already over!! Cat and Vincent are so strong! I think that at the this point they have to be so strong, or they freak out! I see also Vincent's progress about his restraint and I think that is wonderful. Yes, I miss their romance, but it's awesome to see how the fruits of their love come out in them as persons between an action and an another.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Sept 11, 2016 11:37:19 GMT -5
After watching all the flashbacks in this episode I have one question for which we never got an answer. I mean before Cat shot V in 208 he only had a few flashes of his past. But bam after the shoting he keep saying things nobody told him again I supose. I mean how did Vincent knew that Tess shot him before in 211 and after that he told Cat about the kiss in AMP in 216 and than season 3 onwards he had several flashbacks,that means he remember everything but when did that happen. We never saw that on the show. IIRC, after "Liar Liar" triggered the start of his memory return and then got more memories in "Hothead", it was implied over a number of episodes throughout S2 that he slowly got all of his memories back and eventually he could remember everything. At least that was my take on it. You're right in that it was never directly explained or shown clearly. I guess this is one case where we could have used more exposition. To hear some of the characters recite what happened over and over to pound it into our brains. LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 2:29:49 GMT -5
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Post by Jewels on Sept 12, 2016 5:19:21 GMT -5
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Sept 12, 2016 12:24:54 GMT -5
Thanks for posting Gillian's comments. At least explains where she was coming from AND when there was intervention that she may or may not have agreed with.
And JOYABEAST and BEASTIEBOY,
I know we all repress anything Gabe-related, but I believe it was in 211 in the Hostage episode where Vincent and Gabe are still at the boathouse when Vincent admits that he now has all his memories back but still dosen't trust them. I figured the writers made sure to insert that conversation into the episode to let us know that Vincent DOES have all his memories back---and Season 4 has let us know that Vincent even has memories back that he DIDN'T seem to remember even in Season 1 about his commanding officer. I STILL think that there is more that happened back in Afghanistan with Vanessa and the soldiers that Vincent either still represses or is just meant to be intentionally "fuzzy" due to Vincent (and the other beast soldiers) all being together and basically "amplified" in the way that Tori did to Vincent by being beasts in proximity. But it is STILL like memories keep "trickling" in to Vincent, even in Season 4. (And there WAS that brief commentary from S3 from Reynolds regarding how Vincent wasn't supposed to have remembered, but he clearly DID, even the whole process that Reynolds put him through.)
Wish there was more time on the show to close some of these still-lingering plot holes from seasons past, but with one episode left, guess we have to live with the questions and appreciate the answers we did get!
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Sept 12, 2016 12:38:16 GMT -5
By the by, do we know what the RATINGS looked like for this one??
Just curious, since this is the first episode I can remember that aired here in the US first before Canada.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Sept 12, 2016 13:52:09 GMT -5
By the by, do we know what the RATINGS looked like for this one?? Just curious, since this is the first episode I can remember that aired here in the US first before Canada. Yes it's in the Ratings thread. Same ol' ol'... 412 0.2 710,000, slightly up in number of viewers compared to 10 & 11. saveeachotherbatb.com/thread/993/batb-ratings-15?page=9
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Post by pippin on Sept 14, 2016 9:17:28 GMT -5
Always enjoy reading this person's take on the show atstakemagazine.com/2016/09/13/beauty-and-the-beast-4-1112-meet-the-new-beastno-way-out/I was most impressed by how the series’ arc started to turn and ended up reaching full circle by the time I was done watching No Way Out. Every one of our heroes, and especially Cat and Vincent ended up where they started, but with valuable lessons learned. Most of all though, not only did we find the show and cast of characters looking back on what led them to this place, we as viewers and fans found ourselves doing the same. We watched their history coming back to quite literally haunt them, their victories and losses used against them. Was there a larger purpose, or did they bring these endless battles upon themselves, by not being satisfied with each fight they won, always looking for the next one? For both Cat and Vincent it all started with losing family and trying to right a wrong. A just fight, to be sure, but one that has come at an ever increasing cost, to them and their loved ones. When is is it enough? When is it time lo let go?
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Vincent’s jailer makes one mistake, however, one that many have made, to their detriment; he brings up love and Cat and what she means to Vincent, meaning to use it against him. As always, this is what saves Vincent, what reaches the deepest parts of his soul; the part underneath and around the beast within.
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Post by pippin on Sept 14, 2016 9:32:46 GMT -5
And from Hidden Remote hiddenremote.com/2016/09/09/top-5-takeaways-beauty-beast-season-4-episode-12/3/-It has been said before and it deserves to be said again. J.T. is the best, best friend anyone could ask for. He used his personal pension, sold his computers and every other earthly possession to raise enough money to afford Catherine’s bail. Wow. More from Hidden Remote
-Everyone keeps saying that Cat and Vincent deserve this “happy ending” and while it is true they do not deserve a bad one; the question is why everyone wants so much for them, when all they do is take from others to achieve it. When have Cat or Vincent ever helped J.T. or Tess out of a scrape? They really haven’t. Friendship is a two-way street and VinCat has only walked one part of it.
-Did anyone else think, for a split second, that Vincent might have actually been guilty of everything the interrogator said he was? Not knowingly or willingly but because he had become so fragmented emotionally by the traumas mentioned by the agent that he’s developed a split personality? That could have been interesting and Jay has said he wanted V to be more Jekyll and Hyde, although people didn't seem to like it when the show went darker with V in season 2
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Post by NotOnTv on Sept 14, 2016 12:34:57 GMT -5
SaveSave No tearful goodbyes. Somehow, that makes me feel kind of sad. Color me shocked. Oh wait. Not really. There has been a major vibe of detachment and indifference towards the show coming from the members of the cast since months. Years even. The feeling I have is that none of them is or was particularly proud/happy/ excited about the show, there is no sense of BATB being something else than a solid paycheck and job that needs to be done. Fans are respcted and treated well - alway have - but that is it. There is no added value or a sense of accomplishment coming from the cast (except perhaps from Austin) so how can they be any tears shed. If I take a brief look at other tv shows that have been cancelled or are in danger of cancellation and how the cast expresses genuine sadness and emotions - the BATB cancellation seems more like a relief to the actors. Which can be understood. Obviously, the show has evolved and transformed and not to everybody's liking. Maybe that's why KK's tweet session with fans felt more like a chore and a compulsory dance than anything else. The BATB cast never striked me as people who bonded through a tv show. More like people who bonded over the tv show and made the best out of it.
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