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Post by kasobel83 on Feb 8, 2013 4:49:59 GMT -5
If he wanted to be with Alex, he would have go after her to explain himself and tell her how much he still loves her. I trust him when he said "it was not choosing Alex, it was just for a better future for him". His last sentence broke my heart, even if I've been disappointed by him. But he seems so sad and destroyed. I can't help but feel bad for him. But what I love more, it's Catherine. During all episode she was amazing, perfect !!!! Now Vincent is the one who supposed to fight for her.
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Post by evanarose on Feb 8, 2013 6:31:34 GMT -5
I love this epi! Some great, memorable dialogue from the writers! So here's my thoughts:- 1. Karaoke- better than I thought! Honestly was expecting solo Heather, one liner...but having the 3 Tess, Cat and Heather at the end was a nice treat! And actually even though they were just macking around having fun, I thought Kristin was a better singer here than that eurotrip clip 2. Vincent- what a roller coaster. One minute it's like arrgh you , then it's like poor bugger My emotions are all over the place with this character lol which goes to show Jays great at his craft. 3. In the bush- so when Vincent sneaked up on Cat, she kinda attacked him- which makes sense since she doesn't know it's him...but nothing is said after it...like Vincent saying 'sorry to startle you' Cat saying 'Oh didn't know it was you.' I suppose Cat was still cheesed off, so a part of her thought he deserved it lol but still strikes me as a little odd 4. Handler comment- if I were Kristin/Bridget, I'd be on the verge of smiling every time that came up while acting! It's funny but irritating! Why use the term 'Handler' writers? What else could they have used? I dunno security guard Protector hmm...I don't know is it used in America alot? I haven't really come across that term in Aus Or is it just the writers coming up with something out of centre lol 5. Cat and Vincent disagreeing in the bush- loved that. Great tension and acting b/t Kris and Jay! But I wanted to whack Vincent on the head for acting angry at Cat! For always bringing up the beast issue. Seriously! Push her anger further after going away with the ex...geez But I'm glad Cat addressed that it's 'His problem...not hers.' 6. Alex with the gun. WHOOAA! Not sure if it was a good idea for Cat to hand the gun to her But actually before I watched this episode, I was picturing this happening (like what if I did it for a fanfic lol!) I kind of hoped that instead of seeing Alex at the end, after the fight, we would have seen her react doing the fight Besides, you'd kinda think Vincent would have sensed her presence earlier...even though he was busy kicking butt. 7. Alex finding out the secret- was half expecting that. I'm glad the writers addressed the 2nd choice issue- by that I mean having Cat tell Vince about it (hopefully more of it will be resolved inthe following eps.). It was quite dramatic though. Alex was really convincing herself she could accept his secret- that she seen alot as a nurse and she could handle it ra, ra. Obviously she wasn't expecting that but it did seem she would be trying her best to understand...and she pulls the gun There was abit of a delay in that too Obviously she was shocked and this is the initial reaction but she knows those guys were after him... 8. "That better future is you...Catherine." Word. Thank-god. May the grovelling begin We know Cat eventually will come around, but after what Vincent did, he shouldn't have it that easy...And I'm glad the writers made it that way! Just hope it doesn't drag on too many episodes!
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Post by djarrett on Feb 8, 2013 6:59:58 GMT -5
On a side note... Cat was able to wipe out allll of Vincent's DNA in Alex's apartment in 45 minutes? 😳 Dude, she needs to come to my house & clean for me!!!! LOL
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Post by kittykat on Feb 8, 2013 7:52:33 GMT -5
Wow what an episode!!!!! Loved it Catherine just kicked ass tonight, this week & last week, she is such a strong character. And yeah, Vincent has some major, major grovelling to do. I think Catherine should make him sweat for a while. I know he has huge issues and maybe it wasn't all about Alex, but about him wanting to be normal and starting a new life but... he needs to understand he cannot treat Catherine the way he did, dropped her like a hot potato! Hopefully, this incident has made him realise just how precious Catherine is! The scene between Catherine and Vincent in the woods, just showed how well they work together, how "in sync" they are and what a great team they make. I did really enjoy Catherine's "what the hell" mood with the girls, and loved the Karaoke. Loved the interaction between Catherine and TJ, loved the scenes between TJ and Evan and wow finally Evan's secret is revealed. It's just an awesome story, enjoying this show so much
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Post by dickens on Feb 8, 2013 8:25:09 GMT -5
I loved this episode too. There are so many emothional, charming, fun and exciting moments. I agree that they are doing a great job keeping Catherine a strong character. It is very important they clear up this second choice issue. I was really expecting it to be a clear -Catherine was his first choice--but it is more complicated than that. It will be fun having the writers and Jay work Vincent's way out of this and convince everyone that Catherine is/would always be his first choice. Great interaction betweent Catherine and JT and loving the JT/Evan partnership. This is one of my favorite episodes so far. Can't wait for next week.
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Post by summer on Feb 8, 2013 10:21:07 GMT -5
This episode gave me hope that we are now going in the right direction. LOVED Catherine. Well done KK! ... you played this smart, sassy and heartfelt. While I can understand everyone's opinion on Vincent's choices, it still looks like Catherine was runner-up. His motivation may have been a better life for him or a better life for Catherine and JT without him in it ... not sure it matters ... he still would have left with Alex ... That is, and should, be a huge warning flag for Catherine. She has stood strong for now ... the fun part will be watching him proving himself to her and building toward the love story that we want .... at least, I hope so! LOVED the continuity with the word "ass" ... worked for me. LOVED Evan and JT. They are a fabulous team ... thoughts on that are more suited to the speculation page ..... Hope we at least maintained our viewers with this one.
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Post by Vincent Keller on Feb 8, 2013 11:26:13 GMT -5
Usually I would watch the episode a couple times before posting my thoughts. But I just had to post right after I watch the episode. I don't even know where to start. I love the girl time with Tess, Heather and Catherine in this episode. The episode was not exactly what I thought it would be. The synopsis had me going one direction but it was actually the other. I thought Evan would find the bug himself, but JT was the one that told him about it. Now we know why Evan is working in the morgue. It's sad though. I think Max did a good job with that scene. A lot of team ups in this episode. I love it! Catherine and JT team up, JT and Evan team up and Catherine and Vincent team up, and again Catherine, Tess and Heather team up. As the episodes progress, it gets better and better and I love the different settings not just the precinct and warehouse. A least more variety. Haha. Okay now down to the big part Catherine and Vincent. Ever since Thin Ice, my view was that Vincent wasn't uncertain about his feelings for Catherine. Catherine was always number 1, not Alex in the feelings department. Alex showed him and gave him a glimpse of a different yet a feeling of the old life (if that made sense Haha). He was able to be the doctor he was, no worry of people being scared of him, the need to hide himself or look over his shoulder. Yes it was a fantasy. Alex represented that fantasy, the possibility. During the cabin scenes, Alex's dialogue consisted of it is worth it, knows the risks, all in. The dialogue that Catherine has said or should have said. The dialogue and the fantasy and Alex's actions are what Vincent I guess wants to hear. But not from Alex, from Catherine. Yes she has told him that she will fight for him that she wants to be with him. She had that realization. Alex was all about going all in, lets go Mexico or Africa, jumping right in to be with Vincent but didn't know about the whole truth. Catherine knew who he was, the truth but hesitant to move forward until recently. Now this episode Vincent has that realization. He finally admitted it to himself and Catherine, finally said it out loud. In the park, he went to her to apologized and asked for her opinion because he values her opinion. I guess probably in a way he wanted her to say no don't go. The whole point of him going to the cabin was to tell Alex the truth about him. He tried last episode to tell her that he couldn't see her again but she stopped him and boy did she distract him. May I just add I love the unfinished cock block kiss. I was like no, no please! then a knock on the door. Haha. Anyways basically what I am trying to say is if he didn't care or feel so much for Catherine he would have really found a way to be with Alex and run off together. At least I think so. Like the saying goes, you never know what you have till it is gone. Well not completely gone. I love how Catherine was trying hard to move on and being the strong woman. I think her realization and the talk with the shrink has freed her a bit. She is starting to take care of herself more, like she said protect herself more. Also the fact that she was able to talk about her feelings about Vincent to Heather and Tess without telling them all about him. The karaoke scene! So awesome! Oh and we hear a bit more with Tess and Joe. Also I know Evan mentioned it last episode, it consistency of the fact that his samples were stolen was mentioned again. I know someone mentioned it in a post before about how come there haven't been mentions about the stolen samples. 8 episodes later it is acknowledged. Haha. I think with the writers if there is a loose end or something not talked about the next episode it will come later on. Now the fire escape scene before Catherine leaves. First off, she looked so pretty! I felt sorry for Vincent. Even though he deserves it and he knows it. At least he has maned up to take responsibility. Jay did a good job with this scene, especially when she told her he wasn't going anywhere. The way he looked at her and how he was fidgeting or moving whatever he was doing, you could just tell he was sorry, he knew he had to really make it up to her and he really meant it he isn't going anywhere. Sorry I had a bit of thin ice in this post. Haha. I think that is all for now. This is just what I got after the first time I watched the episode. I am pretty sure there will be more after I watch it 3 to 4 times. Haha ;D I like this episode. Now that they are one the same page with their feelings , now there is work to be done to mend it, more like Vincent has to do whatever it takes to mend it. I agree with you so much! 4. Handler comment- if I were Kristin/Bridget, I'd be on the verge of smiling every time that came up while acting! It's funny but irritating! Why use the term 'Handler' writers? What else could they have used? I dunno security guard Protector hmm...I don't know is it used in America alot? I haven't really come across that term in Aus Or is it just the writers coming up with something out of centre lol ^ Handler is the correct term for what Alex thinks is going on--that Vincent works or worked for special ops and Cat is the person sort of in charge of him. Like whoever would be in charge of a spy. On a side note... Cat was able to wipe out allll of Vincent's DNA in Alex's apartment in 45 minutes? 😳 Dude, she needs to come to my house & clean for me!!!! LOL LOL! The scene between Catherine and Vincent in the woods, just showed how well they work together, how "in sync" they are and what a great team they make. ^ I thought the same exact thing! Great thoughts, everybody! BTW, I think it's kind of funny how I posted that big, blue note in the spoiler thread, reminding everybody about the rules and not relentlessly bashing characters by calling Vincent a**hole and Alex a <edited>.
While I stand by that rule, I now find it hilarious that nearly everyone in the ep, including Vincent himself called him an ass last night. I guess if he calls himself an ass, then we can do it. LOL.
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Post by summer on Feb 8, 2013 11:31:06 GMT -5
That is too funny! ... I made sure I didn't call him an "ass" ... just that he called himself an "ass" ...
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Post by vincentfan on Feb 8, 2013 11:32:35 GMT -5
Watched it, and I have to say it was enjoyable. VinCat scenes were great. When Vincent showed up at her bedroom window I was like, "what the heck are you doing here brah? You don't even deserve to be on that fire escape!" I, like Catherine, wasn't ok with how things went down. Of course she's not going to just jump into Vincent's arms! If Alex had accepted him, he probably would've gone with her! How is he going to prove that he's truly choosing cat over Alex? He needs to work his arse off to prove it to cat...and to me Loved the girl time! Cat looked hooooot in those last two scenes! All the girls did. Anyway, overall, good episode. Hoping next week will be better with Vincent making everything better. Hopefully!
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Post by elle on Feb 8, 2013 11:36:25 GMT -5
But he was so deserving, he really has been an *ss!!! Glad even he sees it, FINALLY!
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Post by gena7373 on Feb 8, 2013 11:36:32 GMT -5
Awesome awesome ep! And I see where people say she is second choice but I am iffy in that, I still think he thought it was beat for all in a way I guess? love love love that he said "not happily" when talking about leaving with Alex in the end...made my heart sunk and that fast I'm over him being a u know what! Lives him like crazy...again And lol at house cleaning! She can come here after yours!!!
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Post by Vincent Keller on Feb 8, 2013 13:00:22 GMT -5
Vincent x Catherine scene 1 dialogue (jogging)
VINCENT: *runs up beside Catherine* Hey CATHERINE: If you're auditioning jogging buddies, I don't want the part. VINCENT: I came to apologize. Hey, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. CATHERINE: About? VINCENT: That Alex showed up at your place...that she asked permission to- CATHERINE: Go on a romantic weekend together? VINCENT: Look, uh, it's not just going to be about some romantic weekend away. CATHERINE: So you're going. VINCENT: Yeah, I'm-I'm thinking about it. Look, I don't want to hurt you okay, but Alex and I--we've got so much to talk about. *Catherine rolls her eyes and jogs of<edited> VINCENT: You're mad. CATHERINE: You can sense that? VINCENT: Catherine, this isn't about her over you, okay? CATHERINE: Right. It is about your future. VINCENT: Yeah, one where I don't have to hide all the time, where I might actually get to practice medicine again. CATHERINE: In her parents' cabin? VINCENT: You think this is crazy. CATHERINE: What if you lose control? Alex sees you, she freaks out, calls the cops. And what about her safety? VINCENT: I'm not going to hurt her. CATHERINE: Just the idea of you going anywhere with someone who doesn't know who you are... VINCENT: Who I am? CATHERINE: It's not what I meant. VINCENT: It's what you said. CATHERINE: Vincent, what are you even doing here? VINCENT: I don't know. I thought that maybe I-I should... CATHERINE: What, get my blessing? Because I am not actually your handler. VINCENT: I wanted to make sure you're fine with all this, you know, maybe get your opinion. CATHERINE: My opinion is that I am cold turkey. VINCENT: What? CATHERINE: Go, don't go, tell her, don't tell her- VINCENT: Well, I'm going to tell her. CATHERINE: Fine by me. VINCENT: Okay, then. Well, this has been helpful. CATHERINE: Good.
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Post by hcastro on Feb 8, 2013 14:48:58 GMT -5
First off..my girl KK...LOVE her and if there is one good thing that came out of this Ex S/L, it's that it's highlighted what a wonderful and incredible actress that Kristin is!! She's been SUPERB in all facets in all 3 episodes showing off her acting range. The girl is amazing and she was BRILLIANT once again tonight. I also have to give major props to the writers as well for doing a great job in writing for Catherine. I adore everything about Catherine...she is strong, yet vulnerable...everything about her is perfect and her character is developing nicely, there was some nice growth during this story arc. I was THRILLED that they didn't have Catherine just throwing herself back into Vincent's arms after all this, she is a very strong woman and it showed once again during that last VinCat scene. And on a shallow note...how stunningly beautiful did she look in that last scene when she was going to go out with the girls??? Loved her outfit and her hair was beautifully done there. I like seeing dressed-up Catherine and I hope to see more of it!! I have mixed emotions on this episode. I LOVED the bickering between VinCat...they are just too cute when they argue and fight. The "jogging scene" had some good and not-so-good moments for me. Loved Catherine's "so you can sense that I'm mad"...that made me LOL. And good for her blowing him off a bit. Although I really liked to see that Vincent came to her because he VALUES her opinion, did he really think that talking to Catherine about his "romantic getaway" was going to be okay?? Seriously?? He was being inconsiderate...AGAIN..of her feelings. The bickering when they were in the woods...I absolutely LOVED!!! Again, great banter between them and of course the money line "It's not a bad thing if someone knows the darkest parts of you". VinCat teaming up together makes my heart happy and I realized how much I MISS them together, loved seeing that and hopefully with psycho Ex leaving in the next episode we get back to that again. And once again, we have Catherine saving his ass twice in this episode..she had to clean up in Alex's apartment giving another opportunity to see Catherine's heart break as she rummaged through those photos and of course seeing that lingerie bag on the bed..yikes!! Loved JT/Cat conversations...those are always fun and both of them working to save Vincent always makes me happy and thankfully we'll be getting back to that soon. Loved Cat's line and her face when she said "I hope they have their clothes on when I get there"...LOL. As for the "CHOICE"...what choice?? Vincent's choice was made for him when Alex rejected him. I was surprised that the writers actually went there and had Alex freak out when she saw the beast. I have to admit I was LOL when she was all "I'm in" and when she finally sees Vincent for what he really is, she's all freaked out. And WTH Vincent, during that convo with Alex...he was still trying to tell her he wanted to go away with her...I need to rewatch, but I only think he said "this was all a fantasy" AFTER she said "I can't..WE can't go away together". Even though he claims that all he wanted to do at that cabin was tell her the truth, it seemed to me he was really gearing up to go run away with her. He would've kissed her if they didn't get interrupted!! Thank goodness we were not privy to Alex in her lingerie!! I'm not that happy with Vincent's "choice" because he didn't really make one. Good on Catherine for calling him out on it too. I'm actually glad to hear her say the words "I can't be your second choice". Although I liked seeing Vincent groveling a bit, it just seemed to me that he came crawling back to Catherine because Alex rejected him. Like Catherine said, he would be with Alex if not for her accepting his beast. And Vincent even admit that would be the case...even if he wouldn't be happy about it. Seriously, Vincent? If Alex accepted your beastly side, you would run away with her knowing you don't really love her just to go back to living a normal life while LEAVING the one you love in Catherine?? Pretty selfish on his part to both Alex and Catherine...WTF!? I feel sorry for Vincent and I'm happy we're on the road to getting our old Vincent back, but he needs to suffer a bit and I hope we see that in the upcoming episodes. That VinCat convo where he said she was his future and that he'll be there is a good start, but he needs to do more!! He really needs to see how much he HURT Catherine because right now, I don't think he realizes the magnitude of hurt that he put Catherine through. I want to see him fight for her love and affection!! And I want to see Catherine NOT give in too easily...she has remained pretty strong throughout all of this, and I hope it continues. Most of all, I want to see the writers rectify this "second choice" BS....I hope we see that in "Trust no One" because Catherine being Vincent's sloppy seconds doesn't fly with me...that is not an "epic love" if we'll be questioning Vincent on whether he really wants to be with Catherine because she's the only one who accepts him because Alex doesn't....DON'T LIKE!!!! My post is way too long now, but I had to add that I LOVED seeing the girls get together at the karaoke bar. They need to show more of that. I was happy to see Catherine open up a bit with Heather and Tess about her relationship issues...that is what is missing and I'm glad to know someone will be let in on VinCat soon...Catherine needs a "sounding-board" when it comes to discussing her feelings about Vincent. I feel sad for her that she has to keep things bottled in because she can't discuss Vincent with anyone but it looks like that is changing. I love "girl talk"...and the girls being out together was one of my favorite moments. And don't get me started on the karaoke...other than the fact that the girls looked incredibly beautiful...I loved seeing them have some fun...more of that please!!!!
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Post by Vincent Keller on Feb 8, 2013 16:33:08 GMT -5
Vincent x Catherine 'Cold Turkey' scene 2: the woods -with Alex and Vincent's "break-up"
*Vincent and Catherine hide behind a tree* VINCENT: *scans the woods with night vision* It's clear. What are you doing here? CATHERINE: I found a bug at Alex's. VINCENT: What? CATHERINE: Narcotics did a raid because of her clinic. VINCENT: You shouldn't be here, Catherine, it's dangerous. CATHERINE: So dangerous you keep your fiancee alone? VINCENT: I'm trying to keep it away from her. CATHERINE: Keep what away? Whatever's out there or the fact that you might transform? VINCENT: You can't help it, can you? Every interaction we have, you have to constantly remind me- CATHERINE: Every interaction? VINCENT: Yes. The other day at the park, you said yourself, it's who I am. CATHERINE: You know that's not what I meant. VINCENT: What about your dad's wedding? You know, I show up, we have once dance, you tell me to leave. CATHERINE: I had just found out you were mutating. VINCENT: No, my DNA was mutating, not me. CATHERINE: And then I came after you. Vincent, from the first moment I met you, I have seen you as a person, and you know it. This is your issue, it's not mine. VINCENT: I told Alex about the experiment, okay? CATHERINE: Yeah, she thinks you have PTSD. That's the cover story I told my girlfriends over karaoke. It's not a bad thing when someone knows the darkest parts of you. *footstep<edited> VINCENT: They're here. CATHERINE: How many? VINCENT: *uses night vision* Three. Come on. CATHERINE: Okay. *they sneak away and shots are fired. They fire back and forth. Muirfield agent throws a grenade of some sort.* VINCENT: Get down! *Moves protectively over Catherine* *Catherine falls to the ground and gasps, ears ringing, semi-conscious. Vincent beasts out and growls. Cat gets up and she and Vincent kill the agents. Vincent changes back* VINCENT: I retract what I said before. I'm glad you were here. CATHERINE: I get that you want a different kind of life. VINCENT: Yeah, but even though I try and get away, they still find me. CATHERINE: Vincent, I didn't want you to have to hide from Muirfield AND her. VINCENT: *hears something* Wait. CATHERINE: What? *they see who's there* VINCENT: Alex... ALEX: *panicked* Stay away. VINCENT: Alex, it's okay. ALEX: I saw you. I saw everything. VINCENT: Okay, just let me explain. *Alex pulls a gun on Vincent and Catherine* VINCENT: Okay- CATHERINE: Alex...Alex, put the gun down. What you saw--that isn't who he is. He's the same guy you've always known. ALEX: *crying* No. CATHERINE: Trust me, put the gun down. Come on, Alex, put it down. *Alex sobs, lets Cat have the gun* VINCENT: *touches Catherine's arm* It's okay. CATHERINE: Okay, I'll be at the car. *touches his arm, walks away* VINCENT: *to Alex* The experiment that I told you about... Alex, they changed my DNA. ALEX: You ripped those men apart. VINCENT: Please, I would never hurt you. *steps forward, sees she's not responding well* Okay. I guess you know now why I stayed away all those years. ALEX: Is it permanent? VINCENT: I've been trying to find a cure, but, uh... Alex, I'm sorry. Okay, I-I just wanted to go away with you. You know, somewhere peaceful where we could help people. You know, I thought...I just thought it wouldn't happen. ALEX: I can't. We can't. VINCENT: I guess I got caught up in a fantasy. ALEX: I'm going to drive myself home. VINCENT: Yeah. *Alex leave<edited>
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Post by DayaBEASTS4 on Feb 8, 2013 16:48:11 GMT -5
hahahahaha the best ever "Vincent, if you call Catherine your handler again, I'm calling Muirfield myself." it would be a line for JT.. LOL
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