luli
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Post by luli on Dec 23, 2012 19:32:18 GMT -5
That is not what I meant. Let me clarify, I meant Vincent literally was implying that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with Cat. Definitely too soon for VinCat to be exchanging their vows now, yet it is clear Vincent wants to have a future with her. Personally, normally when your boyfriend says he wants to be in your life forever or spend the rest of his life with you, marriage usually falls along those lines. I really cannot see them being boyfriend and girlfriend forever. Especially with all of the intimate moments we have seen to date, and not to mention how VinCat argue as if they are already married.
Precisely and this is why I think they should have kissed. Clearly they want a future together. What is the hold up. They have already passed the 'I like you' stage. The 'I am attracted to you' stage. Now let's take the next step. And now I am not talking about taking off your clothes and getting married already. I just want a kiss. That's all. The guy is sneaking into her bedroom, sitting on her bed, helping her with her jewelry.....what's the big deal of a a kiss? ~Milo I think the fact that he's part beast is what's slowing the process...lol it's not like they can go have coffee and go to the movies.... so that's what brought about the comfort in going at eachother's place. So I def. think with this last episode they should have enough to move forward. Even in real life you can flirt all you want but once you kiss it makes it somewhat real. I think if he kiss her it he would be asking her in a sense to put too much on the line. I hope after next episode or so there will be a kiss and one of them will have a big and clear I want you moment. The are both thinking of the risk for the other more than what they want. I feel like that's coming. The only part is the preview for BATB is never accurate- it's always stuff that's not in the episode so when she said I accept all that you are on the preview she may never say it on the episode....and they will not be any closer to a kiss---
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Post by hcastro on Dec 24, 2012 0:57:23 GMT -5
Ugh, so much THIS!!! I would not be surprised whatsoever if that line from Catherine is cut out. There has been too many instances this season where that has happened. I still think we are a while away from a kiss...I would hope it happens before that stupid ADA comes, which is 1x15.
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Post by Nelly on Dec 24, 2012 3:57:10 GMT -5
For me that line sounded like if he has to take on a new role and be V.Z. forever he would be taking it happily. Get rid of his old identity and be this guy from Denver if that means he can be in Catherine's life forever. I wouldn't say it was a hint a marriage - it would be too soon for me. When JT mentioned him making a playlist for his ex it really sounded as something went wrong. But we don't know whose fault was that or if it has to do something directly with Vincent. Maybe his ex left him and not Vincent her and that's why they are bringing her back to Vincent life. So it can mess up feelings. But what do I know? That is not what I meant. Let me clarify, I meant Vincent literally was implying that he wanted to spend the rest of his life with Cat. Definitely too soon for VinCat to be exchanging their vows now, yet it is clear Vincent wants to have a future with her. Personally, normally when your boyfriend says he wants to be in your life forever or spend the rest of his life with you, marriage usually falls along those lines. I really cannot see them being boyfriend and girlfriend forever. Especially with all of the intimate moments we have seen to date, and not to mention how VinCat argue as if they are already married.
As for Vincent undertaking a new role, Vincent could have adopted a new role years ago, yet he chose to go into hiding instead. Quite truthfully, if Cat had not brought up V.Z., Vincent never would have even been thinking along those lines. Yet then again, I could be wrong.Or maybe he wanted Catherine to let know he is willing to do anything just to take her to the wedding so Catherine would not go alone. And he used those words to really show the weight of his saying. Because Catherine turned him down twice before that as far as I remember. Vincent could have adopted a new role years ago - that is true. But he chose not to because he didn't have a reason to come out from hiding. As far as we know he was experimenting on an antidote to reverse the process. Now that Catherine have found out about him he has a good reason to have a normal life again. And that maybe makes him want to take on a new role. Just my thoughts...
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Post by Reyna on Dec 24, 2012 11:17:47 GMT -5
In spite of Cat turning him down, after reading her profile, Vincent was determined to be with her at the wedding. The profile illustrated how Cat felt about him.
Precisely, however the only difference is Cat did not want Vincent to come out of hiding as someone else, she wanted Vincent to come out of hiding as himself. Cat made that quite clear when she was getting ready for the rehearsal dinner and talking to Vincent under the gazebo.
If memory serves me correctly, Vincent was experimenting to reverse the process, yet gave up at one point. That is until Cat waltzed back into his life. On the one hand, even after she came back into his life, I do not recall Vincent continuing with his experiments. Vincent was just trying to act as normal around Cat as he possibly could.
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Post by Reyna on Dec 24, 2012 11:34:45 GMT -5
Precisely and this is why I think they should have kissed. Clearly they want a future together. What is the hold up. They have already passed the 'I like you' stage. The 'I am attracted to you' stage. Now let's take the next step. And now I am not talking about taking off your clothes and getting married already. I just want a kiss. That's all. The guy is sneaking into her bedroom, sitting on her bed, helping her with her jewelry.....what's the big deal of a a kiss? ~Milo LOL, you are so funny Milo. I totally agree with you. Both are so comfortable with one another, why not put in a little kiss here or there. Definitely see where you are coming from regarding the missed opportunities. Really hoping for a kiss in episode 13, for one it will be Valentine’s Day. Second, the ex will be gone and the ADA will not be making his debut until episode 15. For the writers to torture us until episodes 16-22, that would just be so wrong.
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Post by Reyna on Dec 24, 2012 11:50:31 GMT -5
I think the fact that he's part beast is what's slowing the process...lol it's not like they can go have coffee and go to the movies.... so that's what brought about the comfort in going at eachother's place. So I def. think with this last episode they should have enough to move forward. Even in real life you can flirt all you want but once you kiss it makes it somewhat real. I think if he kiss her it he would be asking her in a sense to put too much on the line. I hope after next episode or so there will be a kiss and one of them will have a big and clear I want you moment. The are both thinking of the risk for the other more than what they want. I feel like that's coming. The only part is the preview for BATB is never accurate- it's always stuff that's not in the episode so when she said I accept all that you are on the preview she may never say it on the episode....and they will not be any closer to a kiss--- Precisely Luli, that is why so many of us were disappointed. Yet, I was definitely content with what we did receive. When Vincent pulled Cat out of the car, you could tell in that one moment how much he loved her. Of course, Vincent will probably blame himself for leaving her at the wedding the way that he did, yet, his feelings for her never changed. Given VinCat will have two or three episodes without the ex and ADA, one can only envision what will happen between those two.
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Post by Nelly on Dec 24, 2012 16:13:32 GMT -5
I really don't want to argue with you guys but I still think it's early for a kiss as well. Of course in real life that would be the next step but just think... If we get a kiss then they get together and then what? End of story? The criminal/investigation side of the show is not important and we don't really care about that, right? So we are interested in the other plot line, that is Vincent and Catherine. So they kiss, get together then why would we watch the show? What can they show us that would bring our attention? I think these to getting together should be built up slowly with obstacles because that's the show about.
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Post by Fire And Ice on Dec 25, 2012 2:17:52 GMT -5
What did you think about the wedding scene? I am all about a kiss. I thought it was a miss opportunity. Many say it can wait. What are your feelings? ~Milo Milo, given that this was a two-parter episode, I was OK with the fact they didn't kiss. I agree there were plenty of missed opportunities in this and other episodes though. I think it's about time for them to kiss, and here's why - this show is mainly about the Vincat romance and having them kiss doesn't solve all the obstacles that stand in their way. (Muirfield. Having to hide their relationship from Cat's friends & family. The "Love" word - who will be the first to say it? Other potential love interests. Vincent's mutating DNA. etc. etc.) I don't know how I will enjoy the second part of this last episode, but this first part was AMAZING. (I admit there were some parts that made me have to suspend my disbelief, but I was OK with it. Seriously, where did Vincent get an armani suit? Am I supposed to believe that was JT's? JTs had a vest, did it not? So did Vincent rent a tux? Oh and why is Evan talking about his genetic research with Heather during a wedding? Talk about a man obsessed with getting that grant.) The Vincat wedding dance scene was wonderful. I, generally, dislike chick flicks and chick shows. This show has gotten to me. I had to warn my guy before we watched together that he had to be prepared for me to go "all girl" on him. haha. It was hilarious because when Vincent appeared and she sensed him and turned and then they started dancing with the music... and I was swooning. haha. My guy during the commercial break was assuring me that it was OK because that scene got to him too. All those haters that say Jay & KK have no chemistry are crazy! Anyway, I was OK with Vincent & Cat not kissing during or after the dance. I also was glad it didn't happen with JT in the room. I think Vincat's first kiss should be when they are alone. That way Vincat can get a little passionate if they need to. Plus, I think the fact that the two are very guarded individuals...well, it just makes sense that the move will be made when they are alone. In episode 9, they could've kissed in the gazebo, but I think it was smart they didn't. If they had kissed and then Cat had found out about the DNA-stuff and Vincent had run off - I want Vincat to be happy after their first kiss. No immediate drama right after the kiss. I thought this episode was about both of them realizing that the risk (of being together/in a relationship) was worth it. The wedding speech made Cat realize it more than ever, and that's why she went after him. I think Vincent realized it when he beasted out and was holding her. Vincent in Beast-form saw the car coming. He could've gone to run and hide. Instead, he stood his ground (or at least it appears that way) since Vincent knew Catherine needed help. The fact that Vincent in all forms love Catherine and would never hurt her showed in that scene. I saw a few posts here about whether or not Vincent can now control his beast transformations. I know with the blackouts and all that, he couldn't. I'm not sure if the serum has given him more control now. I'm sure seeing Catherine shot and passing out would've given him a surge of emotion that could have triggered him to become the Beast... though it really looked like he was in complete control. I don't know. I know that Vincent has realized that Cat accepts both sides of him, so if he did do it on purpose, it was probably because he's not afraid to be his entire self (human & beast) around Cat. Hope that makes sense. With all that being said, I want a kiss. I'd be willing to wait 2-3 more episodes. I could not wait 6 episodes...well, I don't want to wait 6 episodes. I also do not want to wait until the end of the season because there may not be a season 2. I would like to see Vincent, at least, kiss her hand or forehead or something in episode 10, which is the second part of episode 9. I mean she could've died, and it looks like from the promos that he visits her in the hospital. Give her a kiss! It doesn't have to be full out on the lips. I just want to see something. I'd also love to eventually see Cat kiss Vincent on the scar too... IF they don't kiss at all in the next episode, I would like to see Vincent staying by Cat's beside - not necessarily all through the night at the hospital - but when she gets home. I would love to see him just watching over her and making sure she's OK. I do love the slow buildup of Vincat. It's refreshing to see that "chivalry isn't dead." It has made all the little nuances of what they've said, how they've looked at each other, how they've touched each other so much more powerful. On so many other shows, the couple either denies their feelings for several seasons or jumps immediately into bed with each other. I like this a lot better because it really shows that Vincent & Cat = True Love. With that in mind, I get it. He likes her; she likes him. They both have walls, but are allowing each other in. Now it's time to kiss or cuddle or do something to bring this to the next level. I want to see them kiss and be (relatively) happy for an episode or so before stuff comes to try and tear them apart. I also want to see the gov't come back. Are they not concerned that Vincent killed a bunch of their agents? Come on! Where did they go?! I know a slight gap/breathing space from Muirfield is expected after all those agents were killed or went missing, but, eventually, someone has to go to find out where those agents went/why they broke communication.
One more thing, concerning the ex-fiancee. I think Vincent broke off the engagement before he went to war based on this interview with Jay: Ryan added that there are also parts of Vincent's past coming into play, too, as some who knew him before he went off to war (and believed he was dead this whole time) find out about his new life and where he lives to pop in and create more complications. "His ex-fiancee pops up into the picture, and that’s a huge shock for Vincent because he’s kind of really left himself open to that woman, and he has to deal with these old feelings," Ryan said of the on-screen relationship with guest star Bridget Regan to be explored in episode nine.
"You find out the reasons why he left that relationship, and we also learn more about the state he was in when joined up with the army when he lost his brothers. It gets quite dark at that point." Source: www.examiner.com/article/jay-ryan-teases-vincent-s-biggest-threat-bridget-regan-on-beauty-the-beastSo she is his ex, and not just because she thought he died...at least, that's how I took what Jay said. Unfortunately, it also confirms that Vincent still has unresolved feelings for his ex. But she's only there for 4 episodes, and the show is called "Beauty & the Beast" not "The Beast & his Ex-Fiancee" so I think it's obvious who Vincent will choose.
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Post by Lina on Dec 25, 2012 19:25:45 GMT -5
^ YES! ALL of that!
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Post by luli on Dec 26, 2012 0:26:50 GMT -5
I really don't want to argue with you guys but I still think it's early for a kiss as well. Of course in real life that would be the next step but just think... If we get a kiss then they get together and then what? End of story? The criminal/investigation side of the show is not important and we don't really care about that, right? So we are interested in the other plot line, that is Vincent and Catherine. So they kiss, get together then why would we watch the show? What can they show us that would bring our attention? I think these to getting together should be built up slowly with obstacles because that's the show about. I actually think we might be closer to a Kiss that we realise but they will very soon ecounter a probelm and anguish follows then doubt then may be a thought of separation...which will be followed with us constantly thinking about that once kiss and wondering when we are going to have them kiss again.... I think if they kiss once and they don't for eps to come that will kill us considering all the chemistry they seem to have!
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Post by talulahbelle on Dec 26, 2012 17:22:42 GMT -5
I really don't want to argue with you guys but I still think it's early for a kiss as well. Of course in real life that would be the next step but just think... If we get a kiss then they get together and then what? End of story? The criminal/investigation side of the show is not important and we don't really care about that, right? So we are interested in the other plot line, that is Vincent and Catherine. So they kiss, get together then why would we watch the show? What can they show us that would bring our attention? I think these to getting together should be built up slowly with obstacles because that's the show about. Argue. What argue nelly. We are simply having discussions. Points of view. You can call me "Missed Opportunity Milo". HA!!! After the kiss, the same problems still remain. Who said the kiss was going to fix things. I didn't. The boy is in hiding, so it not as if they can have this NORMAL relationship. The secret is still there. The conflict is still there. Finding the cure. Protecting themselves from Mufield. All the challenges are still there. To me the kiss will be about okay we are in love, we acknowledge this and now there are going to be some challenges in this relationship. That's all. ~Milo
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Post by Nelly on Dec 26, 2012 18:10:45 GMT -5
Argue. What argue nelly. We are simply having discussions. Points of view. You can call me "Missed Opportunity Milo". HA!!! After the kiss, the same problems still remain. Who said the kiss was going to fix things. I didn't. The boy is in hiding, so it not as if they can have this NORMAL relationship. The secret is still there. The conflict is still there. Finding the cure. Protecting themselves from Mufield. All the challenges are still there. To me the kiss will be about okay we are in love, we acknowledge this and now there are going to be some challenges in this relationship. That's all. ~Milo Exactly! We are sharing our points of view. I am not allowed to think they shouldn't kiss? Just because everyone else is saying kiss kiss kiss...
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Post by talulahbelle on Dec 26, 2012 18:24:23 GMT -5
nelly - We got weeks to present our cases.
Most folks here are on your side. So every chance I get, I push myself in.
Somebody said something about Valentine's. Hey, a kiss then would be good.
But I still say there was missed opportunity.
~Milo
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Post by talulahbelle on Dec 26, 2012 18:32:36 GMT -5
Precisely and this is why I think they should have kissed. Clearly they want a future together. What is the hold up. They have already passed the 'I like you' stage. The 'I am attracted to you' stage. Now let's take the next step. And now I am not talking about taking off your clothes and getting married already. I just want a kiss. That's all. The guy is sneaking into her bedroom, sitting on her bed, helping her with her jewelry.....what's the big deal of a a kiss? ~Milo LOL, you are so funny Milo. I totally agree with you. Both are so comfortable with one another, why not put in a little kiss here or there. Definitely see where you are coming from regarding the missed opportunities. Really hoping for a kiss in episode 13, for one it will be Valentine’s Day. Second, the ex will be gone and the ADA will not be making his debut until episode 15. For the writers to torture us until episodes 16-22, that would just be so wrong. You know I will still make my case. HA!!!
This Valentine Day thing sounds good. Watch them not want to write a Valentine's Day theme episode. I just looked and saw that Valentine's Day is on a Thursday. It would be perfect.
~Milo
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Post by Nelly on Dec 26, 2012 18:42:33 GMT -5
As for me the dance they gave us was enough. It was beautiful. A kiss would have been too much. I was totally satisfied with the dance scene and the way it was portrayed. I know it's weird but I didn't feel at all that they should have kissed during or after the dance. I can't explain why I just felt it was complete as it was. A kiss around Valentine's would be good. I agree! Also I have to add I can't wait to see that!
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