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Post by Ilaria on Jul 21, 2015 10:15:05 GMT -5
^ So true. I saw a parallel between Vincat and JT and T in that regard. JT didn't pick on Tess's cues that she needs him to put her first as opposed to Vincent. JT is loyal to V to a fault. I totally understand why and their connection is so strong, but he is in a relationship now and he needs to acknowledge how Tess feels. Catherine in this ep was way too caught up in trying to use the elopement to lure out the guy chasing them without picking up that Vincent does not want to elope. He wants a tradition wedding with all their loved ones. V and Tess really had to eventually make their point clear to both their partners respectively. Essentially both V and Tess want the same thing, some kind of normalcy outside of the madness. But Vincent is always understanding and loving with Catherine, instead Tess is often quite detached to JT
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 21, 2015 10:23:03 GMT -5
^ So true. I saw a parallel between Vincat and JT and T in that regard. JT didn't pick on Tess's cues that she needs him to put her first as opposed to Vincent. JT is loyal to V to a fault. I totally understand why and their connection is so strong, but he is in a relationship now and he needs to acknowledge how Tess feels. Catherine in this ep was way too caught up in trying to use the elopement to lure out the guy chasing them without picking up that Vincent does not want to elope. He wants a tradition wedding with all their loved ones. V and Tess really had to eventually make their point clear to both their partners respectively. Essentially both V and Tess want the same thing, some kind of normalcy outside of the madness. But Vincent is always understanding and loving with Catherine, instead Tess is often quite detached to JT Is she though? I mean she was trying to decide in s1 if being with SB she would have never traditionally dated is what she really wanted. But she seemed to have made up her mind by the end of 2x22 and since then she has been supportive of j.t. I feel. He was quite detached to begin with due to his near death experience and she helped him through it. And has generally I feel been understanding. And I also feel that Tess has made more changes in her day to day life to be with j.t. than j.t has so I found her concerns and issues in 307 pretty valid
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Post by Ilaria on Jul 21, 2015 10:38:56 GMT -5
But Vincent is always understanding and loving with Catherine, instead Tess is often quite detached to JT Is she though? I mean she was trying to decide in s1 if being with SB she would have never traditionally dated is what she really wanted. But she seemed to have made up her mind by the end of 2x22 and since then she has been supportive of j.t. I feel. He was quite detached to begin with due to his near death experience and she helped him through it. And has generally I feel been understanding. And I also feel that Tess has made more changes in her day to day life to be with j.t. than j.t has so I found her concerns and issues in 307 pretty valid Tess has always given me the feeling of being distant from JT, and to shift the blame to him
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Post by ArwenFan on Jul 21, 2015 12:17:31 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think Tess is self-absorbed. I think from the very beginning that she didn't want this kind of life but all the people she loves and cares about are heavily involved in it and so she became a part of it, very reluctantly. I don't mind that one of the characters isn't as 'all in' as the rest. I think it adds contrast and layers to the characters and their interactions. Tess is the outlier, and whether she likes it or not she will be dragged into their problems and deal with their issues, especially since these are the people she cares about. Tess probably needs to go on her own journey and truly decide how to balance it all. Totally agree. In this episode, her reasons for breaking up with JT were pretty valid in my opinion. Yes, we love it that JT always rushes to help VinCat, but he has (or rather had) a girlfriend now to whom he is committed. Tess has already helped them a lot, and even now, she's risking her captaincy in a way too. I don't blame her if she wants JT to get his priorities straight (even though I love how wonderful a friend he is). But thinking of it from her viewpoint, she needs her boyfriend to be there for her, and to show that he actually cares about her and their relationship. And yes, I had said it before that I like it that Tess is not always Team VinCat (I also loved it when JT wasn't Team Cat in early season one); she doesn't have to be. This beast stuff is not her main concern. As you said, Tess's character constantly reminds us (and maybe the Three Musketeers) that there actually is a world outside. Hmmm. Tess isn't the only one thinking that there is a world outside of the beast stuff. I do believe that Vincent has been trying to make this point since he proposed to Catherine. Like I said episodes ago, Catherine needs to find some balance. I think JT and Vincent are capable of that. They go on red alert when they need to, but when things are seemingly calm they aren't out there beating the bushes for bad guys. Vincent wants to go out on dates and spend his time enjoying the moment with Catherine. JT seems to find his relaxation sleuthing blood samples and what not and hanging out with Tess. A few episodes back JT was very preoccupied with what the "super cure" really meant for him and Tess was all about her new job until Catherine (had a moment of clarity) and told her not to make her whole life about the job. (Too bad Cat's not taking her own advice.) I don't care that Tess helps in her own way, she does it grudgingly and never lets anyone forget it. So my question is...why bother? She does not have to be a part of Team Vincat. She can make a choice and cut ties. I honestly wish she would. You can't change people. JT was who he was before Tess, before Sarah. I don't want to change Tess. I just want her to pick a position, stick with it and shut the hell up about it.
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Post by Laura on Jul 21, 2015 14:13:23 GMT -5
Hmmm. Tess isn't the only one thinking that there is a world outside of the beast stuff. I do believe that Vincent has been trying to make this point since he proposed to Catherine. Like I said episodes ago, Catherine needs to find some balance. I think JT and Vincent are capable of that. They go on red alert when they need to, but when things are seemingly calm they aren't out there beating the bushes for bad guys. Vincent wants to go out on dates and spend his time enjoying the moment with Catherine. JT seems to find his relaxation sleuthing blood samples and what not and hanging out with Tess. A few episodes back JT was very preoccupied with what the "super cure" really meant for him and Tess was all about her new job until Catherine (had a moment of clarity) and told her not to make her whole life about the job. (Too bad Cat's not taking her own advice.) I don't care that Tess helps in her own way, she does it grudgingly and never lets anyone forget it. So my question is...why bother? She does not have to be a part of Team Vincat. She can make a choice and cut ties. I honestly wish she would. You can't change people. JT was who he was before Tess, before Sarah. I don't want to change Tess. I just want her to pick a position, stick with it and shut the hell up about it. Okay I think we have different perspectives on this Tess thing I like her, you don't. So I think this does affect the way we see her actions/decisions. She sure is flawed, like all of us. She can be annoying, selfish, etc. But I do think she deeply cares about and loves Cat and JT, and maybe Vincent now So she can't just up and leave. Cutting ties won't be that easy a decision. Cat's her best friend, JT is her boyfriend and she loves him. She just doesn't want her world to revolve around beasts (rightfully so), and wants to be as important to JT as, say, Vincent. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with her, just trying to see things from her point of view. PS: Forgot to add, you do make valid points about V, JT, and Cat
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Post by corinne on Jul 21, 2015 15:16:25 GMT -5
On the Tess/JT thing, I personally think that she was entitled to be angry/disappointed or whatever. Because yes he put Vincat'safety before her feelings. So even if helping or saving Vincent from something lethal will always be more important than her feelings in our Beasties' opinion, she can have this impression that she is not the most important person in the world for him. So she can break up, I understand her. After all they're still in the early stages of their relationship, when neither of them has really proved to the other the depth of their love. Love needs proof. Often and again. But I'm sure after a few more "big" experiences, they'll be back together...which I don't really care about. Not because I don't like her or her character, but because I don't care about this couple, I have enough of magical elsewhere!
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Post by jaykris on Jul 21, 2015 15:24:05 GMT -5
am I the only one that thought the music choice for Vincat's end scene fireside chat was total crap?
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jul 21, 2015 15:37:53 GMT -5
For the full and original contents of this quoted post, please follow this link: saveeachotherbatb.com/post/121499/thread...... I feel like we are so lucky to even still have BATB on the air. I feel awful that a lot of people aren't enjoying the season, and I feel bad for enjoying. Guess it's a double edged sword. I feel the same way about thanking the BATB Gods (the producers and Mr.Pedowitz) for giving us a 3rd and 4th season! We wouldn't all be here discussing this if it weren't for this show! Now about Tess and JT....I dont ship them but I understand Tess side of this. If you are going to be in a relationship it should be a two person thing not a triangle relationship like they have.. JT does always come out for Vincent not that I mind but he should also 'make her feel as she's as important to him too' With that said..I'm glad they're done LOL but that is short lived I think.
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Post by pippin on Jul 21, 2015 16:12:29 GMT -5
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Post by raniamahd on Jul 21, 2015 17:28:37 GMT -5
Tess has always given me the feeling of being distant from JT, and to shift the blame to him Totally agree with you , she also asks him to give her something she didn't give him in return ?! i mean how can she ask him to put her first over V who is the closest thing he knew as a brother or a family while she didn't put him first over her job or even in the same place with it ? i still didn't forget yet a few episodes ago when poor JT was all alone to figure out the whole new hard situation he found himself in ! when were Tess then when her called boyfriend needed her the most ? oh yeah busy with her new job ! so did JT broke up with her then because of that like she did now ?! NO ( maybe he should ) ! even since the first episode of the season she made me feel she is bored with his problems ! as if she said ( yeah yeah you almost die and you maybe superhuman and all that dangerous stuff -- boring lets move on to something important --- like ME ! ) and her face this episode when V told her it was JT who saved them ! oh God ! i don't know how she could live with herself if something serious happened to them because JT listen to her ! or maybe i know ? she will live very well and enjoy her precious job which obviously more important to her than anything and anyone else ! you know since day one in their relation i feel she looks down to JT ! and made me feel as she did him a favor by dating him because she so big for him ! so she thinks she deserves more from him than what he deserves from her ! and that is one of the reasons i don't like their relationship and would be happy if JT moves on and find someone who appreciates him the way he deserve , as for Tess sorry to her fans but i can't care less !
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Post by ArwenFan on Jul 21, 2015 18:02:12 GMT -5
Hmmm. Tess isn't the only one thinking that there is a world outside of the beast stuff. I do believe that Vincent has been trying to make this point since he proposed to Catherine. Like I said episodes ago, Catherine needs to find some balance. I think JT and Vincent are capable of that. They go on red alert when they need to, but when things are seemingly calm they aren't out there beating the bushes for bad guys. Vincent wants to go out on dates and spend his time enjoying the moment with Catherine. JT seems to find his relaxation sleuthing blood samples and what not and hanging out with Tess. A few episodes back JT was very preoccupied with what the "super cure" really meant for him and Tess was all about her new job until Catherine (had a moment of clarity) and told her not to make her whole life about the job. (Too bad Cat's not taking her own advice.) I don't care that Tess helps in her own way, she does it grudgingly and never lets anyone forget it. So my question is...why bother? She does not have to be a part of Team Vincat. She can make a choice and cut ties. I honestly wish she would. You can't change people. JT was who he was before Tess, before Sarah. I don't want to change Tess. I just want her to pick a position, stick with it and shut the hell up about it. Okay I think we have different perspectives on this Tess thing I like her, you don't. So I think this does affect the way we see her actions/decisions. She sure is flawed, like all of us. She can be annoying, selfish, etc. But I do think she deeply cares about and loves Cat and JT, and maybe Vincent now So she can't just up and leave. Cutting ties won't be that easy a decision. Cat's her best friend, JT is her boyfriend and she loves him. She just doesn't want her world to revolve around beasts (rightfully so), and wants to be as important to JT as, say, Vincent. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with her, just trying to see things from her point of view. PS: Forgot to add, you do make valid points about V, JT, and Cat I think that's another thing we disagree on. I don't know that Tess deeply loves JT. I'm not saying that Tess is wrong in wanting to be first with JT, but c'mon pick your battles. Her job is important, but not more important than say...someone's life, in this case Vincent's. It's like comparing oranges and apples, so for her to continue to whine about her job under these particular circumstances makes her look...I don't know...petty and self-absorbed. And I was liking her right up until this episode, so I guess you're right. She's not on my BCF list.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 21, 2015 18:12:59 GMT -5
This season has really made me go back and forth about Tess, depending on the episode. There have been some priceless moments and scenes and things that made me applaud her this season. Other things made me want to throttle her. I have found it to be a real mixed bag. I feel Tess is sometimes so supportive and way more than I would expect. I enjoyed when she made Cat confront her family issues, and how she came to find Cat in 306.
To me, Tess seems to need to clarify and set her own boundaries about whether she is in or out regarding the whole beast thing. I get her previous frustrations. Beast Issues HAVE wrecked or made relationships for Tess during the entire run of the show (Joe, Evan. . .the list goes on and on.). But either you are in or out. And if you are in, you basically have to be All IN. And understand the level of commitment it takes to protect the ones you love.
But I admit that I REALLY need to actually see this episode to see if Tess' position comes out of nowhere or not. I mean, sometimes if you have a problem with something, you need to talk it out or try to set boundaries. Not just walk away. BUT that MAY NOT be what is happening at all in this episode. I will have to wait to Thursday.
But all the talk surrounding Tess' actions that I am reading in so many posts will be something that I WATCH FOR when I finally view the episode. So I'm thankful to so many posters for bringing up the issues and their support (or lack thereof) of Tess in this episode. Always loving the Beastie Den!
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Post by ArwenFan on Jul 21, 2015 20:00:30 GMT -5
Break up? She should have never started. Tess just wanted to be part of the "cool kids' club." But the "cool kids" have lots of drama in their lives and Tess doesn't want to deal with it. And you know what? I get it. I do. She's entitled to feel anyway she wants, but do something about it and quit complaining. So, I'm glad that she did. Now, she can go off and be super captain of the 125th and maybe take up with someone more her type. And the rest of us can enjoy her not raining on our parade. Please, no. The grand experiment failed. Let's cut our losses and move on.
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Post by ArwenFan on Jul 21, 2015 20:27:02 GMT -5
Okay, I'm tired of the kick Tess conversation, so I'm changing the subject.
The opening scene of "Both Sides Now" definitely pays homage to the original series. Vincat meet in the park at a tunnel entrance. I LOVE it!
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Post by pippin on Jul 21, 2015 23:01:37 GMT -5
Her job is important, but not more important than say...someone's life, in this case Vincent's. It's like comparing oranges and apples, so for her to continue to whine about her job under these particular circumstances makes her look...I don't know...petty and self-absorbed. That's why this episode Tess reminded me of Vincent when he kept bringing up his job at the start of the season. He, like Tess, was concerned about keeping his new job and not getting caught up in what was happening outside of that, while their other halves was jeopardizing that job with their need to help other people. Unlike Tess though, Vincent asks Cat to marry him, but considering how VinCat seemed to keep having the same discussions over the next few episodes, I'm thinking the proposal should have happened in episode 5, once Vincent realized that he was still a target. Speaking of Vincent's job, how does he still have one if he and Cat were on the run? Even if he got some vacation time already, which doesn't seem likely given he hasn't been there very long, you would think that at some point the hospital staff might realize that since he was hired, they have had a crazy person wreak havoc in the hospital, one of their patients executed, a donated organ stolen, multiple gunshots in their building and at least two upper floor windows completely shattered.
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