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Post by pippin on Jul 27, 2015 1:53:00 GMT -5
Some early impressions: I thought it was a good episode too. Pacing was good. Heather in the first scene during the wedding rehearsal was hilarious. Guess both Chandler girls have claws if they need them Vincent did have more dialogue during this episode and I especially liked his interactions with Tess, without Cat around. It's good to see he has a direct relationship with her as well. JT and T making up feels more real and I can accept it now, since JT (with some help from Heather) has started to understand Tess better and started to rearrange his priorities. Cat was very passive in this episode and it was good to see her accepting and forgiving all of the people around her who kept trying to protect her and not ruin her big day. I totally understand her "Not our problem" attitude anymore. On the face of it, how can they stop Liam? That guy heals almost instantly from a stab wound in the neck that should have taken out his carotid artery. He doesn't seem to know that Vincent is a beast though, since he was tracking Julianna and I don't think Vincent beasted out at all during that scene. So I'm really looking forward to the next few episodes leading to the season finale. Yes, we all know what's going to happen in 3x13, but I'm really anticipating the VinCat journey to reach there. pippin Ha Ha I was correct about Chief Ward and that script tease. I think it came out ad verbatim. Poor Tess. Yes you were correct. What's odd was that the part was released since they didn't have to cast Ward. Made me wonder if they originally were going to cast a new character or recast the part thinking Brennan brown wasn't going to be available or something
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 27, 2015 4:52:26 GMT -5
Can't say that the episode really did it for me, but I also know that I was hoping for a little more from this episode in particular and I did enjoy it more after watching a second time. But after the wow of Chasing Ghosts and the overall enjoyment of Both Sides Now, this one felt like eh for me. What I enjoyed: Vincent's speech outside the church - I thought it was the only scene that was somewhat emotional. I thought it was cute that Cat and Heather slept together and Cat hit her with the pillow, but what happened to Heather's old bedroom. Thought Heather was funny in her phone conversation with Vincent. "Yes" "That would be bad" "Understood" "OK Bye-bye." JT telling Juliana she was a pain in the ass and shooting her with the tranq, although she seemed to wake up quicker then Vincent has in the past JT and Heather showing some promising scene chemistry -- "And by we, I mean you." "Wait, why me?" JT and Tess's discreet conversation as they walked down the aisle-- "What do we do?" "Pray" Cat's hair, except for the wedding do and KK's ability to look great even with a "bloody" nose and busted lip Fight in the limo - but how did Juliana stay hidden right outside the precinct when everyone was supposed to be looking for her and she seemed to recover very quickly and fight rather well for someone who had just woken from a coma Way Liam killed Juliana -- appropriately brutal and gruesome The odd parts: Heather seemed to have acquired a bit of JT, even had a line about an ulcer and since when is she the worry wart of the sisters? Tess was Cat in their precinct scene Vincent was Cat in their end scene Cat is apparently made of tougher skin than Vincent and heals quicker Why didn't Vincent beast out? Is he too much in love and at peace now? Doctor Vincent isn't the one to check out the injured evidence guy Cat is concerned about Vincent at the church but then just leaves and doesn't seem concerned about his physical well-being even though he still looks beat up? Heather says Cats father is in prison. No Cat's father is dead. Heather even referred to their father in Chasing Ghosts as their dad With only 5 people at the rehearsal, why were there all those people at the rehearsal dinner? Who were all those people at the church and where were Cat's aunts? Did they refuse to come to the wedding after her outburst at the shower? I think most pf the people at the rehearsal dinner were cops from the precinct. They wouldn't invite them all to the rehearsal. That's just the main people: bride and groom, best man, bridesmaids and parents. Also, Cat's father IS in prison. Thomas Chandler was her step-father who adopted her but Bob Reynolds is her ACTUAL father. Heather referred to Thomas as being their Dad in Chasing Ghosts because he is HER Dad. [/quote]
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Post by tonysol on Jul 27, 2015 6:37:03 GMT -5
It's not going to happen but I wish we could discuss these episodes with the writers/directors. It would certainly help to clear up some of the issues brought up. Got a chance to watch the episode again. Agree with Karen re: the wedding rehearsal and Vincent and Cat in a world of their own. Nicely acted by JR and KK. I'm trying to understand why Cat would give up now and I don't think it's a sudden about face from her previous attitude. She got angry and would have called the wedding off when she heard the precinct wide alert about Julianna's escape, but Tess managed to convince her to carry on with the wedding for the sake of her friends and family. Then again after her fight with Julianna, it was Vincent with his impassioned plea that again made her carry on with the wedding. So I think being attacked by Liam just as she and Vincent were about to get married was the last straw. I understand why some people are upset or questioning how Cat could leave Vincent injured at the church. She did rush up to see if he was ok initially. Why didn't she stay? It was odd and not in character right? Maybe that was the intention of the writing (this is pure speculation folks) but I would think that she would need time and space to process everything that has happened in the last two days. I would be totally depressed - it seems like the whole universe is conspiring to prevent her wedding day and now they have another Big Bad, who seems to be more powerful then anything they've ever encountered.... So she takes off after making sure Vincent is ok. And to be fair he seems to be injured for longer than I expected. I mean, after Tess shot him in the abdomen in 1x17 he recovered fast enough to catch up with her again. Plot holes, continuity errors, things that make us scratch our heads and go huh? are present in this show, I realise. I approach these by filling them in and rationalising with things the I want them or would like them to be Maybe part of the problem is with the shorter number of episodes in the season. Although I admit 22 episodes is a bit much, but it would have meant more time for going into the backstory of Juliana, for example, and who she actually was and how did she get involved in all these experiments. Maybe by the end of the season we'll know, so I'll reserve judgment till September.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 6:55:18 GMT -5
The odd parts: Heather seemed to have acquired a bit of JT, even had a line about an ulcer and since when is she the worry wart of the sisters? Tess was Cat in their precinct scene Vincent was Cat in their end scene Cat is apparently made of tougher skin than Vincent and heals quicker Why didn't Vincent beast out? Is he too much in love and at peace now? Doctor Vincent isn't the one to check out the injured evidence guy Cat is concerned about Vincent at the church but then just leaves and doesn't seem concerned about his physical well-being even though he still looks beat up? Heather says Cats father is in prison. No Cat's father is dead. Heather even referred to their father in Chasing Ghosts as their dad With only 5 people at the rehearsal, why were there all those people at the rehearsal dinner?Who were all those people at the church and where were Cat's aunts? Did they refuse to come to the wedding after her outburst at the shower?I've tryed to reply myself to some of those questions: Why didn't Vincent beast out? Is he too much in love and at peace now? No he doesn't beast out first because there were people that could see him, than because he was too weak but maybe it is a rational choice because Liam doesn't know that he is a beast.. obviously if he doesn't beast out... so Liam leave the church after killing Jullianna that was his real target. People at the dinner and in church: I think they are all workmate of Cat and Vincent: hospital and police crew are a lot of people!
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Post by missingalias on Jul 27, 2015 7:00:42 GMT -5
And to be fair he seems to be injured for longer than I expected. I mean, after Tess shot him in the abdomen in 1x17 he recovered fast enough to catch up with her again. Maybe part of the problem is with the shorter number of episodes in the season. Although I admit 22 episodes is a bit much, but it would have meant more time for going into the backstory of Juliana, for example, and who she actually was and how did she get involved in all these experiments. Vincent loat his ability to heal fast after season one. It was discussed early on season 2. So no plot hole there. but you're definitely right on your other thought in my opinion. Unfortunately 13 episode season does not allow much character development or backstory. The other thing that's very unfortunately suffering of the shorter season are the Vincat one-on-one moments. Sadly. Seems that we have very few of them and they are way shorter than before. I'll comment on the rest of the episode later on.
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Post by jemangela on Jul 27, 2015 7:37:50 GMT -5
I honestly don't know what to think about this episode. I feel like I watched 2 mins of my fav TV show and then had a power cut so I'm waiting for the power to be restored for me to continue...only problem is the 2 mins is actually the full 41mins and there's nothing more to watch . Maybe I need to watch it again...
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Post by lovebatb on Jul 27, 2015 8:01:55 GMT -5
OH! I just loved this episode!!!! 8DFinally, real drama, real danger!! And calm down, everything will be fine with our Vincat!! And we had such good moments delivered by JR and KK. I loved the looks in the rehearsal !!! I really cried after the limo scene, when he was talking to her to get back to the church.... so much feelings... I even liked the JT Tess drama.... and that Leon...OH!! Now I am afraid, and think we will understand this destination talk!
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Post by lovebatb on Jul 27, 2015 8:10:01 GMT -5
I've just finish to watch the episode and IMO was all perfect except for the last scene that made me very disappointed: Cat your man was badly injured you just took your things and walk away pissed off from the church. Now he is here with you asking for forgiveness for somthing that it was not his fault, you say that you are not mad at him but never ask him how he is going, if he is ok nor hug him? Cat is very cold in this season sometimes. I loved the bundle between Vin and Tess (it is the first time if I am not wrong I don't remember in S1 and S2 that they had previously worked together) to try to figure out whar was going on without worring Cat. I used to hate Heather for two season but now she is a good and loyal supporter that want only the best for her sister. Vincent speaking to Cat after she was kidnapped in the limousine: in this season he has very great lines he is ready to let all his feelings for her coming out in a very sweet mode. I think that JT speech was intentionally odd because that was not his real wedding speech that would be for VinCat real wedding. So everything before the walking to aisle went in a wrong way coz this was the wrong time for the marriage I have the same problem with Catherine this season!!!
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Post by racwana on Jul 27, 2015 9:42:06 GMT -5
I've been reading the forum for awhile but haven't participated. This episode made me register the forum and login to post the comment.
At first, I felt upsetting with Cat leaving the church while Vincent was injuring. This plot makes Cat looking out of her character. She always cares about Vincent the most. She should have been there beside Vincent, not leaving on her own. But once I read a lot of comments here, I realized that Cat might have scared. She might scare about losing Vincent. Because she saw that Vincent couldn't fight Liam. We might need to see what will happen in the next episode. It might answer why Cat did what she did.
I like Vincent and Tess scenes in this episode a lot. I don't know if it's only me but I see more chemistry from Vincent and Tess than Tess and JT (sorry for JTandT shipper).
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Post by bookworm on Jul 27, 2015 10:15:11 GMT -5
My first post this season. I liked the ep. Each character went through some major game-changing event, learnt something important. They are not perfect (probably will never be) but finally managed to get the others' point of view e.g. Catherine - Vincent, Tess- JT and C - Heather so they can improve from here. Until this point they all just kept on talking about what they think and didn't really listen to the others. I really liked the drama in this ep. OK several things like others pointed out were strange or out of place but come on, by now we have become used to this stuff with BATB, right ? Oh, I liked the baddie.
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Post by AlisongladaboutSeason4 on Jul 27, 2015 11:16:39 GMT -5
I have watched this episode once and my first impression was that it was pretty epic. A wedding that went horribly wrong, a baddie that seems to be the biggest threat on BATB since Muirfield. Violence that was off the scale (Julianna's death was worse than Curt Windsor or Beth the reporter. Cat's final reaction was completely out of character but I think it is supposed to be. Despite her comments last week of it's only a piece of paper, I think she was really looking forward to walking down the aisle. The scenes with Heather before the wedding show that, as do the scene at the rehearsal when she is walking down the aisle and Vincent can't take his eyes off her. She was attacked in the back of a limo on the way to her wedding, found out about the Julianna/Liam threat and then had her special day wrecked. She watched the man she loved being thrown through a wall. I think it's not surprising she's a little traumatized. Her first reaction was to check Vincent was ok, not chase after Liam. Once she'd done that, I think she needed time to think. I have a feeling she will come around once she has had time to process everything but would you want to get back in the firing line after that! She probably thinks that battling Liam will cost Vincent his life and after he nearly died last week, because of HER badly thought out plan, I think she will take some convincing next week to get involved again. But get involved she will.
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Post by Andromeda03 on Jul 27, 2015 11:39:44 GMT -5
Oh man. I gotta get caught up! See you all once I've gotten the last 3 episodes under my belt. Evil work keeps getting in the way of my BatB enjoyment.
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Post by jefferen on Jul 27, 2015 13:48:14 GMT -5
I absolutely loved this episode! I really think it had the right amount of everything! Loved the scene of V begging Cat to go through with the wedding. It was so beautifully acted by Jay & gave me a lot of VinCat feels. Jay really displays well how much Vincent loves Catherine. It was beautiful, his facial expressions, his body language, his words. I could repeat that scene 1000x. And that little note he left for her in the limo...just dead! So cute!!! Also seriously how dense is that limo driver? To me, Cat was out of character in the last scene, and if she was I think it was meant to be that way. Cat is defeated. Yes, she's the one who has pushed everything re: theses supernatural threats, but everyone has their breaking point imo and Cat finally reached it. I think and agree with some others that she finally realized that she wants this big wedding & that is what's really important to her, but as long as they are constantly chasing a big bad, she's never going to have that. And on top of everything else & seeing how Liam can self heal himself and what he did to V with what looked like barely any effort, I think she doesn't think they can win against him & couldn't bear if V really got caught in the crossfire of it all & then she loses him too, bc from this point it doesnt look like V can win against Liam. I don't think Cat would be able to live with herself or at all if something happened to him. So, I get where she's coming from. KK played it great. I'm so excited for next week!!!!! Oh I also just loved JTnT conversation about Liam as they are walking down the aisle. Too freakinh funny!
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Post by rose on Jul 27, 2015 15:52:42 GMT -5
This was a pretty exciting episode. We knew the wedding wasn't going to go as planned but for a moment there I really hoped it would be a success. With all the build up to it and all. I can understand why Cat took off when the wedding fell through after all the trouble they went through to get there and the anticipation and they were almost there. They were standing at the alter before a priest when all hell broke loose. I like Liam as the bad guy, the way he was introduced and how he effortlessly destroyed everything in his way with very little effort. I am curious to know why he needs so much power and why he had to destroy Julianna. I knew it was a bad idea to keep her at the church while the wedding was going on she was the magnet that attracted Liam to the wedding. It was a good way though to introduce the big bad of the season in my opinion.
It was good to see Tess and Vincent work together. They do not get a lot of screen time on their own without JT or Cat. I absolutely enjoyed the conversation between JT and Tess walking down the isle. I think they nailed that.
Heather has been fun to watch this season she continued to bring some comic relief for me in this episode. I also liked the way Cat casually answered the priest's question about the whereabouts of her father since he was not there to walk her down the isle. She just happily announced that he is in prison like its something normal that happens to people everyday and no big deal.
I wonder how Tess is going to feel about getting in trouble for not getting Julianna in custody right away. At least Vincat were not part of that decision.
I was wondering if Liam was on some kind of watchlist or something with all the messages that started coming in on the phones of all those police officers just Prior to the wedding followed quickly by their swift exit from the church. If he is on some kind of watchlist does that mean that there are others within the ranks of the police who are aware of his super powers.
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Post by tonysol on Jul 27, 2015 18:20:51 GMT -5
And to be fair he seems to be injured for longer than I expected. I mean, after Tess shot him in the abdomen in 1x17 he recovered fast enough to catch up with her again. Maybe part of the problem is with the shorter number of episodes in the season. Although I admit 22 episodes is a bit much, but it would have meant more time for going into the backstory of Juliana, for example, and who she actually was and how did she get involved in all these experiments. Vincent loat his ability to heal fast after season one. It was discussed early on season 2. So no plot hole there. but you're definitely right on your other thought in my opinion. Unfortunately 13 episode season does not allow much character development or backstory. The other thing that's very unfortunately suffering of the shorter season are the Vincat one-on-one moments. Sadly. Seems that we have very few of them and they are way shorter than before. I'll comment on the rest of the episode later on. missingalias Oh man, thanks! I forgot. Must be residual PTSD from watching the first half of Season 2 rose I think you mean it was Heather who told the priest about Cat's biological father being in prison And that was another unexplained thing. The police chiefs were called away just before Cat reached Vincent at the altar and Ward's explanation later was that there was a terrorist alert at JFK. Was it something Liam did there? He did land at JFK. That was something that wasn't elaborated on further in this episode.
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