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Post by stephy on Oct 17, 2014 15:30:43 GMT -5
Even if it's true,one side of family will be explore more than the other. Since this show is still run by same showrunner from last season, you already know which side will that be.Peace! In all fairness Dan, Catherine's family up until this point has been imo explored a lot more than V's. We've met bio dad, step dad, step mom, her sister is in the picture, then the whole rebecca reynolds storyline. Where the only other person we met from V's family is aaron. Obviously we know some stuff about his deceased brothers but not much. But both sides of their families need more exploration imho I like Dan want more of Cat's storyline. It was ALLLLL Beast in season 2. Regarding Vincent's family, we already seen his fire fighter brothers, Aaron as nephew, a whole storyline about his ex-fiance ALEX (who is considered family), JT (V bestie), etc. In Reunion which should have been about Cat b/c it was her own high school reunion ended up being all about Vincent again. UGH! His cheating <edited> (while on supposed break w/Alex) which was his friend's girlfriend. Nasty unecessary scene hated it. Not one ex-boyfriend shows up seriously?! All Cat gets is a mention she was into bad boys. I WANT TO SEE THEM. We've never seen Cat's old boyfriend storyline ever. Or her old cop partner. We don't know much about why Cat is the way she is besides her mom's death. There's so much Cat to explore but she's never given a chance because it's all about Vincent and his needs. Cat placing Vincent's needs before herself. You'll see this examined in 3.04 which explains why they are seeing the marriage counsellor. (Spoiler) I want to see one of Cat's ex-boyfriends finally or even some half-siblings. For sure, Daddy Reynolds needs to be back b/c him and Cat were great.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Oct 17, 2014 15:47:38 GMT -5
In all fairness Dan, Catherine's family up until this point has been imo explored a lot more than V's. We've met bio dad, step dad, step mom, her sister is in the picture, then the whole rebecca reynolds storyline. Where the only other person we met from V's family is aaron. Obviously we know some stuff about his deceased brothers but not much. But both sides of their families need more exploration imho I like Dan want more of Cat's storyline. It was ALLLLL Beast in season 2. Regarding Vincent's family, we already seen his fire fighter brothers, Aaron as nephew, a whole storyline about his ex-fiance ALEX (who is considered family), JT (V bestie), etc. In Reunion which should have been about Cat b/c it was her own high school reunion ended up being all about Vincent again. UGH! His cheating <edited>(while on supposed break w/Alex) which was his friend's girlfriend. Nasty unecessary scene hated it. Not one ex-boyfriend shows up seriously?! All Cat gets is a mention she was into bad boys. I WANT TO SEE THEM. We've never seen Cat's old boyfriend storyline ever. Or her old cop partner. We don't know much about why Cat is the way she is besides her mom's death. There's so much Cat to explore but she's never given a chance because it's all about Vincent and his needs. Cat placing Vincent's needs before herself. You'll see this examined in 3.04 which explains why they are seeing the marriage counsellor. (Spoiler) I want to see one of Cat's ex-boyfriends finally or even some half-siblings. For sure, Daddy Reynolds needs to be back b/c him and Cat were great. I agree! I don't have anything against Vincent or Beast stories, but I'd like more balance. S2 was too lopsided. It started as Cat's story in S1, I'd really like to see more of a return to that narrative in S3 or at least have better balance.
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Post by raniamahd on Oct 17, 2014 16:15:39 GMT -5
Reply Retweet Favorite More anna maniri @anapianapia 2h2 hours ago @designingashton @cw_network we are meeting family in 306? Whose side? Reply Favorite More User Actions Following Catherine Ashton @designingashton @anapianapia @cw_network both #feastiefridays #BATB @cw_network Even if it's true,one side of family will be explore more than the other. Since this show is still run by same showrunner from last season, you already know which side will that be.Peace!I wish its the side that was completely neglected for two seasons now ? let me recall what we had as family members for both : for Cat we saw her mother , her father , her biological father , her stepmother and of course her sister , we saw them for more than one episode and now her sister became a regular too ! and what about Vincent ? the only member of his family we saw was his nephew and for just one ep ! it was odd that no one of his family contacted him after he was announced alive again ! so i totally agree it's time to see more of Vincent's family and give this storyline the centric they gave to Cat's for 2 season now !
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Post by raniamahd on Oct 17, 2014 16:37:22 GMT -5
In all fairness Dan, Catherine's family up until this point has been imo explored a lot more than V's. We've met bio dad, step dad, step mom, her sister is in the picture, then the whole rebecca reynolds storyline. Where the only other person we met from V's family is aaron. Obviously we know some stuff about his deceased brothers but not much. But both sides of their families need more exploration imho I like Dan want more of Cat's storyline. It was ALLLLL Beast in season 2. Regarding Vincent's family, we already seen his fire fighter brothers, Aaron as nephew, a whole storyline about his ex-fiance ALEX (who is considered family), JT (V bestie), etc. In Reunion which should have been about Cat b/c it was her own high school reunion ended up being all about Vincent again. UGH! His cheating <edited> (while on supposed break w/Alex) which was his friend's girlfriend. Nasty unecessary scene hated it. Not one ex-boyfriend shows up seriously?! All Cat gets is a mention she was into bad boys. I WANT TO SEE THEM. We've never seen Cat's old boyfriend storyline ever. Or her old cop partner. We don't know much about why Cat is the way she is besides her mom's death. There's so much Cat to explore but she's never given a chance because it's all about Vincent and his needs. Cat placing Vincent's needs before herself. You'll see this examined in 3.04 which explains why they are seeing the marriage counsellor. (Spoiler) I want to see one of Cat's ex-boyfriends finally or even some half-siblings. For sure, Daddy Reynolds needs to be back b/c him and Cat were great. yes we saw his nephew and a flash back of his brother for one episode ! remind me again how much time they spent on Cat's family storyline ?! and as for JT ? we had Tess who was in every single ep unlike JT ! what Cat has the right to have a beast friend but not Vincent ?! and as for the ex ? if you remembered the pilot started with Cat's ex boyfriend ? and i think after we drown in Gabe's show for the whole season2 , i guess its more than enough of Cat's ex boyfriends ?! the whole Gabe's storyline was because of and around Cat ! ( in fact i never want to see another ex for both of them again , and i know almost all the beasties don't want too ) and as you just mention in S3 ep4 there would be a storyline about Cat always putting V first , it's Cat storyline right ? i wish they also discuses Vincent's need to always protect and save Cat , doing what she wants him to do not what he wants like JT said in ep 2/15 if they want to really solve their relationship ' problems ! just a little note : not everybody watchs the show for Cat's sake or for her storyline only ?! some people also care for our beast and want to see more or his family or better want to see the interaction between vincat and both their families ! anyway CA said it will be both their families , so we may relax and wait to see how that would be played before jumping to conclusions !
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Oct 17, 2014 16:53:50 GMT -5
The best remedy is to remove Vincent out of the equation. Then all will be well again.
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Post by rose on Oct 17, 2014 17:11:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't exactly say that we haven't seen a lot of Cat' s back story. We met Cat's boyfriend in the pilot. We were shown Evan having a terrible crush on Cat and her even considering Evan as an option for a while. We know more about Cat' s family. Her dad, her mum what they did for a living their favourite food. We have seen her father getting engaged and married. We met her step mother and saw them struggling to accept each other. Season one was mostly centred on Cat's job and Vincent only coming in to help. I think Cat had the most screen time in S1. Not that I am complaining. I like both leads equally. We were introduced to Bob end of S1. Who played a prominent role in the first half of S2 and was the driving force behind what was happening. We had Cat discover that Bob was her Bio dad and that her dad was not her biological father, to me I see that as more of her back story. We had her arresting her father and discovering that he was behind Muirfield and we also know how they met with her mum. We have met some of her friends from high school and we know quite a lot about her back story. We know that she wanted to be a lawyer but became a police officer following her mum's murder when no one believed her story about what happened and know that she spend a lot of time in therapy after that. We have also seen Cat in a relationship with Gabe which although controversial was her own story line as Gabe came into the picture through cat and the 2 were connected through her mum. On Vincent's side we know that his Dna was changed but we do not know how he came back to new York. How he reconnected with JT. We were told his parents died we don't know how. What other family was left. We don't know a lot about his brothers other than that they were fire fighters and died in the line of duty. We don't know how JT and Vincent became best friends before he enlisted. Other than JT and Aaron we haven't met any on his side of family. And we haven't actually seen Vincent and Aaron interact as family. We have met Alex, ex fiancée who was in picture before Vincent and Cat became an item and then there was a fling introduced for a few seconds which happened before he became a beast and while on a break with Alex. We know both Cat and Vincent had flings in the past and people that vyed for their attention after they met (Alex and Evan in S1; Tori and Gabe S2). The Muirfield storyline touches both of them because Cat is linked through her parents and Vincent because they changed him. The beast hunts involves both through Bob who was using Vincent as the muscle and he also wanted to keep Vincent away from Cat. Then there is the gem arc which go back to Cat's ancestors and Sam was being hunted by the police that involved Cat. The final arc when they were on the run, that was set into motion by Bob to protect Cat. And we have Gabe going crazy trying to win Cat back and Heather getting kidnapped and Cat and Heather finally reconnecting and having an honest conversation. I personally do not think that the show places more emphasis on one lead character over the other and see both as playing equally important roles.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Oct 17, 2014 17:37:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't exactly say that we haven't seen a lot of Cat' s back story. We met Cat's boyfriend in the pilot. We were shown Evan having a terrible crush on Cat and her even considering Evan as an option for a while. We know more about Cat' s family. Her dad, her mum what they did for a living their favourite food. We have seen her father getting engaged and married. We met her step mother and saw them struggling to accept each other. Season one was mostly centred on Cat's job and Vincent only coming in to help. I think Cat had the most screen time in S1. Not that I am complaining. I like both leads equally. We were introduced to Bob end of S1. Who played a prominent role in the first half of S2 and was the driving force behind what was happening. We had Cat discover that Bob was her Bio dad and that her dad was not her biological father, to me I see that as more of her back story. We had her arresting her father and discovering that he was behind Muirfield and we also know how they met with her mum. We have met some of her friends from high school and we know quite a lot about her back story. We know that she wanted to be a lawyer but became a police officer following her mum's murder when no one believed her story about what happened and know that she spend a lot of time in therapy after that. We have also seen Cat in a relationship with Gabe which although controversial was her own story line as Gabe came into the picture through cat and the 2 were connected through her mum. On Vincent's side we know that his Dna was changed but we do not know how he came back to new York. How he reconnected with JT. We were told his parents died we don't know how. What other family was left. We don't know a lot about his brothers other than that they were fire fighters and died in the line of duty. We don't know how JT and Vincent became best friends before he enlisted. Other than JT and Aaron we haven't met any on his side of family. And we haven't actually seen Vincent and Aaron interact as family. We have met Alex, ex fiancée who was in picture before Vincent and Cat became an item and then there was a fling introduced for a few seconds which happened before he became a beast and while on a break with Alex. We know both Cat and Vincent had flings in the past and people that vyed for their attention after they met (Alex and Evan in S1; Tori and Gabe S2). The Muirfield storyline touches both of them because Cat is linked through her parents and Vincent because they changed him. The beast hunts involves both through Bob who was using Vincent as the muscle and he also wanted to keep Vincent away from Cat. Then there is the gem arc which go back to Cat's ancestors and Sam was being hunted by the police that involved Cat. The final arc when they were on the run, that was set into motion by Bob to protect Cat. And we have Gabe going crazy trying to win Cat back and Heather getting kidnapped and Cat and Heather finally reconnecting and having an honest conversation. I personally do not think that the show places more emphasis on one lead character over the other and see both as playing equally important roles.
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Post by raniamahd on Oct 17, 2014 17:38:54 GMT -5
The best remedy is to remove Vincent out of the equation. Then all will be well again. I really want to know why some people get very upset whenever anybody of the cast mentions Vincent's name ?! or act like they are talking about a unimportant character ?! or like everyone watch this show cares only for Cat and her separate storyline and wants to know absolutely nothing about Vincent' storyline or even vincat storyline ?! he is not a guest star or a supported character or an extra actor ! although some want him to be he is one of our two lead characters ? his name is also there in the title with his beauty ?! BATB isn't a one woman show or even a females show ? it isn't ( bionic woman) or even (desperate housewives ) THIS IS A LOVE STORY !
since when love stories can go or focus only on one partner or for his / her separate life away form his / her lover ?! what did we know about Juliet separated life from her love for Romeo in ( Romeo and Juliet) ?! it was even his name before hers in the title and we didn't hear or read any one complaining !
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Post by raniamahd on Oct 17, 2014 17:54:55 GMT -5
I wouldn't exactly say that we haven't seen a lot of Cat' s back story. We met Cat's boyfriend in the pilot. We were shown Evan having a terrible crush on Cat and her even considering Evan as an option for a while. We know more about Cat' s family. Her dad, her mum what they did for a living their favourite food. We have seen her father getting engaged and married. We met her step mother and saw them struggling to accept each other. Season one was mostly centred on Cat's job and Vincent only coming in to help. I think Cat had the most screen time in S1. Not that I am complaining. I like both leads equally. We were introduced to Bob end of S1. Who played a prominent role in the first half of S2 and was the driving force behind what was happening. We had Cat discover that Bob was her Bio dad and that her dad was not her biological father, to me I see that as more of her back story. We had her arresting her father and discovering that he was behind Muirfield and we also know how they met with her mum. We have met some of her friends from high school and we know quite a lot about her back story. We know that she wanted to be a lawyer but became a police officer following her mum's murder when no one believed her story about what happened and know that she spend a lot of time in therapy after that. We have also seen Cat in a relationship with Gabe which although controversial was her own story line as Gabe came into the picture through cat and the 2 were connected through her mum. On Vincent's side we know that his Dna was changed but we do not know how he came back to new York. How he reconnected with JT. We were told his parents died we don't know how. What other family was left. We don't know a lot about his brothers other than that they were fire fighters and died in the line of duty. We don't know how JT and Vincent became best friends before he enlisted. Other than JT and Aaron we haven't met any on his side of family. And we haven't actually seen Vincent and Aaron interact as family. We have met Alex, ex fiancée who was in picture before Vincent and Cat became an item and then there was a fling introduced for a few seconds which happened before he became a beast and while on a break with Alex. We know both Cat and Vincent had flings in the past and people that vyed for their attention after they met (Alex and Evan in S1; Tori and Gabe S2). The Muirfield storyline touches both of them because Cat is linked through her parents and Vincent because they changed him. The beast hunts involves both through Bob who was using Vincent as the muscle and he also wanted to keep Vincent away from Cat. Then there is the gem arc which go back to Cat's ancestors and Sam was being hunted by the police that involved Cat. The final arc when they were on the run, that was set into motion by Bob to protect Cat. And we have Gabe going crazy trying to win Cat back and Heather getting kidnapped and Cat and Heather finally reconnecting and having an honest conversation. I personally do not think that the show places more emphasis on one lead character over the other and see both as playing equally important roles. duetto i love both of you i totally agree with everything rose said , i even forget about Evan who was totally in Cat's storyline ! so yes everything always starts , connects and /or ends with Cat , yes sometime it leads her to Vincent , but really does anyone expect anything different ? it's ( BEAUTY AND THE BEAST ) for God sake ! but still all of that was /never will be enough to some people who seems to be allergic to V's name ! i think those would be satisfied only in one case ? if they kill off Vincent ! but than that means killing off the whole show because whether they like or not ? no Vincent or no Cat = no show !
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Post by dan on Oct 17, 2014 18:59:42 GMT -5
Thanks Stephy for backing me up,I know you (online)for a long time,sister. We both know we're losing in number here.
As for the others, if you really Want to play this denial game again go ahead,List all of Vincent's problems/dramas since season one,Then compare that list to one you have for Cat.And No,just because Vincent is the Beast doesn't give him right to have more storylines than Cat.
Not to mention All the Flashback to the past episodes were All Vincent, Cat Never had any.
If you don't believe us and think we're biased bcause we Kk fans,there are alot of people who already admit the show has been more about Vincent. Including that reviewer from..what's it called, Ricky org something who stated how Cat practically can't stand on her own as a character cause all her arcs has been all about helping the beast or for little while,being Gabe Muppet. Can't say the same to Vincent as the whole season two was dedicated for his Journey.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Oct 17, 2014 19:33:41 GMT -5
We are talking character back stories. We know a lot more about Catherine then we do Vincent. KK and Catherine are totally different issues. Was Lana treated justly in Smallville? I know her character was put in the ringer for a while. I've heard from many fans like you dan and stephy that Lana wasn't liked by many and that KK herself was not happy. I don't see KK display any grievance with Catherine's character or her portray of her from the show runners . Why? Maybe KK herself likes the road the scripts and stories are going. We don't know that. I do know as a fact that KK was underpaid while on Smallville and that sucks Mr, Welling made 3x as much more money as KK did. Now here on BATB not only does she have top billing but makes the most money out of the entire cast. Says something about how this show is KK in spite of what others think. As for the story it reflects on both characters.
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Post by raniamahd on Oct 17, 2014 19:39:25 GMT -5
ok , maybe (sorry ) not maybe but sure there are others who think this show has been more about Vincent !-- but sure there are many other think the opposite or at least think both C&V have they fair share of concentrate ! so why they are the group in denial ? maybe the other group who are the one in denial ! -- and yes because they are KK fans only and want the whole show to center around her and her only ? or there is another possibility maybe completed with this possibility ? that they simply hate JR and hate to see him have any interest neither from the showmakers nor from the fans ?! otherwise why we didn't hear them complain about what that Ricky guy said about Cat being Gabe Muppet ?!-- but no all we read is how her relation with V isn't healthy ? how she is his slave ?! yeah they seem to don't mind all the concentrate Gabe took this season or how in the storyline he manipulated Cat or turned her to his Muppet ? anyone but Vincent , right ?! one more thing and that is the real reason i am talking in this subject in the first place or else i would read and say to myself people are different and anyone have to right to express himself / herself if of course he /she respect different opinions ! and that is the reason i am talking ? the respect part for those who disagree with you ?! because as a fan or a viewer to the show i get that everybody has the right to like/dislike and want anything as much as they want , everybody has the right to complain about the storyline if he / she doesn't like it or even contact the showmakers to complain and / or ask for what he / she wants to see in this show but what isn't any body's right is to deny me the same right ?! or to offense me directly or indirectly because i disagree with him /her ? -- calls me names ? -- saying i am in denial , obsessive or an elder woman acting like a teenager --- all of that things and more i read it here in this forum about the fans who disagree that Cat didn't get enough interest in this show or those fans who happen to like Vincent / JR ?!! i felt and still feel very offended by their comments and i am sure i am not alone here ! you may have the right to talk about the show and the showmakers but who give anyone the right to analyze or judge the fans and offense them ?! no one has that right , and i am sure i didn't participated in this forum to get offended like that !
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Post by dan on Oct 17, 2014 20:13:42 GMT -5
Like I said,all the tribute to the past episodes have been for Vincent.
To have a family is one thing, But to know and being shown on-screen how a character was during his past time is another. You know lot of how Vincent was before he was a Beast,he had all the flashback episodes. You know close to nothing what kind of person,how Cat was after her mom died.The writers never really showed her past, ever. Someone talking in passing how Cat had many boyfriends in the past is not really a proper exploration of Backstory,thats just Lazy,especially since they did more with Vincent's.
None of People from Cat's past ever come to the show.Bob doesn't count since they never even met before.
Vincent had his Fiance,brief fling girlfriend, nephew, brother,mentor,friend from military, a female friend in army the girl from season one flashback.All appeared on show to show viewers what kind of man he was. Now can you say the same for Cat?Right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 20:16:03 GMT -5
Like I said,all the tribute to the past episodes have been for Vincent. To have a family is one thing, But to know and being shown on-screen how a character was during his past time is another. You know lot of how Vincent was before he was a Beast,he had all the flashback episodes. You know close to nothing what kind of person,how Cat was after her mom died.The writers never really showed her past, ever. Someone talking in passing how Cat had many boyfriends in the past is not really a proper exploration of Backstory,thats just Lazy,especially since they did more with Vincent's. None of People from Cat's past ever come to the show.Bob doesn't count since they never even met before. Vincent had his Fiance,brief fling girlfriend, nephew, brother,mentor,friend from military, a female friend in army the girl from season one flashback.All appeared on show to show viewers what kind of man he was. Now can you say the same for Cat?Right. Is this really pertinent to a spoiler thread?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 20:19:49 GMT -5
Thanks Stephy for backing me up,I know you (online)for a long time,sister. We both know we're losing in number here. As for the others, if you really Want to play this denial game again go ahead,List all of Vincent's problems/dramas since season one,Then compare that list to one you have for Cat.And No,just because Vincent is the Beast doesn't give him right to have more storylines than Cat. Not to mention All the Flashback to the past episodes were All Vincent, Cat Never had any. If you don't believe us and think we're biased bcause we Kk fans,there are alot of people who already admit the show has been more about Vincent. Including that reviewer from..what's it called, Ricky org something who stated how Cat practically can't stand on her own as a character cause all her arcs has been all about helping the beast or for little while,being Gabe Muppet. Can't say the same to Vincent as the whole season two was dedicated for his Journey. It surprises me to see you use the word "losing". I am mystified and alarmed that you view what goes here as a game where there are winners and losers. I am quite convinced that we are all here because a show called Beauty and the Beast caught our attention or intrigued us or even stole our heart and we came in search of a place to share our views and feelings about many aspects of the show. I feel certain we all knew that members would see events in a different light, but felt that we would all be enriched by the act of sharing, wether we agreed or disagreed with each other's perspective, but never for a split second did I think that we were here to compete with each other and that we would have to feel that we were on the winning or losing side of a discussion. Well, if you feel you are losing in numbers, I can only wish you a successful recruitment campaign....Imeanwhile, I will hope the rest of us will be dedicating all our energy to voting for BatB in the PCAs.....and not only for KK, but for the show, the chemistry.....and, oh, I almost forgot, JR. too!!!!!!
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