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Post by Andromeda03 on Jan 11, 2016 14:54:20 GMT -5
Honestly, I've not really watched "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend"...but the promo's looked awful. Which is why I never touched it for even 5 minutes. But just based on those promos...I really do not understand any of the hype around that show, let alone understand how in the world they won a Golden Globe. Similar view points on last years Jane the Virgin show too.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jan 11, 2016 15:11:34 GMT -5
What I find so frustrating is all the promotion being lavished on JTV and now likely CrazyXGF. JTV's ratings have improved, but I'm sure our ratings would have too if given the same amount of promotion. I still see comments like "that show still going on? thought it was canceled long ago" or fans of SV saying "wish KK would do a new show", like she hasn't been in anything since SV. Pedowitz always seemed to be a supporter of BATB, even saying at the last TCA that "BATB is in good shape". But I guess the S3 ratings along with whatever money making deals they had with other outlets weren't enough. Now Pedowitz is standing by Crazy-EX, but the difference is its getting a lot more promotion: www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cw-president-preaches-patience-crazy-853843
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Post by bbat on Jan 11, 2016 15:59:32 GMT -5
What I find so frustrating is all the promotion being lavished on JTV and now likely CrazyXGF. JTV's ratings have improved, but I'm sure our ratings would have too if given the same amount of promotion. I still see comments like "that show still going on? thought it was canceled long ago" or fans of SV saying "wish KK would do a new show", like she hasn't been in anything since SV. Pedowitz always seemed to be a supporter of BATB, even saying at the last TCA that "BATB is in good shape". But I guess the S3 ratings along with whatever money making deals they had with other outlets weren't enough. Now Pedowitz is standing by Crazy-EX, but the difference is its getting a lot more promotion: www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cw-president-preaches-patience-crazy-853843Thought the same when reading the articles about M.P.s comments on the TCA press tour. " We believe in the show, we stand by the show. … You can't beat quality like this" variety.com/2016/tv/news/the-cw-female-superhero-show-vixen-1201676210/ : "We're putting a lot of promotion and marketing into the shows… " And here I always thought only ratings and revenue count, but the vanity of TV executives seems to play a bigger role than expected. Never understood why these 2 shows are so popular among TV critics either, but M.P. obviously is terribly proud of the Globe wins and blinded by the "critical adoration". With no promotion BATB never got a chance to keep or improve its rating after season 1, although its s01 ratings weren't that bad- but the show was torn apart by TV critics right from the start, often very unfairly and undeserving.…
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Post by bbatb on Jan 12, 2016 1:23:15 GMT -5
What I find so frustrating is all the promotion being lavished on JTV and now likely CrazyXGF. JTV's ratings have improved, but I'm sure our ratings would have too if given the same amount of promotion. I still see comments like "that show still going on? thought it was canceled long ago" or fans of SV saying "wish KK would do a new show", like she hasn't been in anything since SV. Pedowitz always seemed to be a supporter of BATB, even saying at the last TCA that "BATB is in good shape". But I guess the S3 ratings along with whatever money making deals they had with other outlets weren't enough. Now Pedowitz is standing by Crazy-EX, but the difference is its getting a lot more promotion: www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cw-president-preaches-patience-crazy-853843Maybe most SV fans are not in the right age group to enjoy BATB? I have never watched it myself, but from the clips I have seen, it looks to be geared to a much younger audience. Just generally speaking - of course - there is always a variety of viewers in any fandom.
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Post by bbatb on Jan 14, 2016 10:42:15 GMT -5
Look what I found here BeastieBoy. This fits right into our discussion about the stupid ratings game. So Fox is waking up and I have a feeling the other networks might start to rethink their strategies also. Unfortnuately, this comes too late to save our show. Notice expecially the sentence about the cast and crew giving their all to make every episode as good and as memorable as possible. Hear, hear, so true for our show (does not apply to some writers and the show runner - at least for me). www.broadcastingcable.com/news/programming/fox-ditches-live-same-day-ratings/145971The stupid banner goes away after a few seconds.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jan 14, 2016 12:46:13 GMT -5
The problem with the whole erosion of the ratings system also continues to be that so many television channels are doing new programs and shows. So the audience is hopelessly divided anyway and will watch whenever. And the Nielsen system really can't compensate yet for figuring out how people now watch shows.
Many financial execs are also now saying that we have the "television bubble" where all these networks are doing television shows that can't be sustained financially because of the division of audiences now. Eventually, who knows where television will be when the bubble supposedly bursts.
The BATB viewer tends to be an older and more educated viewer. Which also means more professional-type jobs and more potential spending money. THAT should appeal to networks rather than having inconsistent young people who are NOT watching for the ads and don't have the spending money that they once did. Sigh.
Television executives/personnel just don't know how to cope, quite frankly, with today's tech-happy world and viewer-on-the-go. Product pushers HAVE to advertise, but figuring out where and how to do that WILL become increasingly problematic until the whole system is overhauled to refect today's reality. But executives are loathe to change, and until advertisers push it, we will continue with the same old tried and NOT working Nielsen's system.
You would think that a LOYAL TELEVISION VIEWER would be exactly what television executives and advertisers want, not some teen simply following a trend. Double sigh. They should have figured out that we would do almost ANYTHING to keep our show on the air, including buying certain products. Subway was quite happy with all the sandwiches sold to Chuck viewers and helped keep the show on the air.
I still believe that what would keep BATB on the air is having some megasponsor behind the scenes similar to the Chuck-type of situation. THEY could then push for another network to take BATB. Too many networks right now are into "rebranding," which is a whole other problem entirely.
BATB has never really fit into a "set" classification, which has been part of the problem. It is NOT a comedy, although there have been comedic elements. There is the supernatural undertones, but the overall theme is a committed couple that faces extraordinary personal and professional choices in remaining together, due to circumstances not remotely within their control. So much CAN be done with this theme, but you need a network committed to it AND to advertising it, as viewers just hear the title and have NO IDEA of the content. Particularly since BATB is supposedly a "remake" of an 80's series in the first place. And all the networks want a certain "type" of series right now. So where is the appropriate home for BATB? And THAT is the biggest tragedy of all, since I personally believe that BATB is about the best there is out there right now, as far as individual character likeability that you can admire and get behind.
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Post by Foreseer on Jan 16, 2016 23:46:54 GMT -5
Just incase anyone is interested, here's the average CW ratings so far for the 2015-2016 season.
The Flash - 1.40 Arrow - 1.04 Supernatural - 0.74 Vampire Diaries - 0.56 iZombie - 0.55 The Originals - 0.42 Jane The Virgin - 0.40 Reign - 0.31 Crazy Ex-Girlfriend - 0.28
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Post by betina05 on Jan 17, 2016 1:52:47 GMT -5
Do you know if any of the cw shows with the raitings similar to batb also were aired first in canada ? That is something I have never understood. If raitins were so important, why aired something in another place first, knowing how internet works... uncomprehensable.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jan 17, 2016 14:43:47 GMT -5
Do you know if any of the cw shows with the raitings similar to batb also were aired first in canada ? That is something I have never understood. If raitins were so important, why aired something in another place first, knowing how internet works... uncomprehensable. Very good point! I could be wrong, but I believe BATB is the only one that has Canada airing first. Reign airs in the US on Fri, then on Sat in Canada. CrazyXGF air on Mondays in both countries. bbatb - What I was trying to say is that many SV fans, don't even know KK's been on a new TV show for the last 4 years. Whether they'd watch BATB if they knew about it is another thing. It again points to the lack of promotion. For example during the 2015 CW Upfronts, I saw some comments from Flash or Arrow fans saying "Is that Lana?", "what's she doing on the CW?". And I regularly see tweets to KK like "when are we going to see you again on TV?". But as you've brought up the topic of Smallville's demo... Those of us that watched Smallville live back in the day are now 10 to 15 years older, so probably not far off from the average demo age of a BATB viewer. However, I do agree that the typical first time SV viewer would tend to be younger. OTOH, my father (who is a grandfather) started watching Smallville only when the reruns were aired on TNT a few years ago, after SV had ended and it had become a syndicated show.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jan 17, 2016 15:02:44 GMT -5
The one thing that still puzzles me is that the numbers of viewers for S3 went up, but the demo went down compared to S2. Why did we lose those younger viewers? S3 started with .30s then dipped to .20s for most of the season.
I enjoyed S3 for many reasons, but it was for many different reasons than what I enjoyed in S1 or S2. It had become more "superhero comic" like in some ways to me in S3, but that didn't help the demo result. But I wonder what would have drawn younger viewers?
If S3 had returned to the very romantic formula of S1, I'm sure our existing Beasties would have been much more satisfied. But I'm not so sure if that would have improved its demo number. Maybe if it included more passionate or racy love scenes? I really don't know...
I'm no expert in the area, but whatever makes a show more attractive to a younger demo, BK and his crew of current writers missed the mark with S3. It's all water under the bridge now, but I do wonder if BATB S3 could have at least maintained a solid .3 and an occasional .4 if the TPTB would have renewed for S5.
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Post by betina05 on Jan 17, 2016 15:54:06 GMT -5
I think when actors signed the contract it is for 5 exclusive years. If I am right about this, I wonder why did they make a rush desicion cancelling the show without waiting to see how season 4 works. They had the actors for granted but now wether it is a hit who knows if they would be available for the show. They should try to promote more, don't let it air first in another country, make actors do more interviews ,interact more on tweeter and more with beasties who they would get an excellent feed back. And I think I am not intelligent to get to this conclusion, it is so obvious. Anyways hope we get an awesome batb season4.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 3:08:47 GMT -5
I think when actors signed the contract it is for 5 exclusive years. If I am right about this, I wonder why did they make a rush desicion cancelling the show without waiting to see how season 4 works. They had the actors for granted but now wether it is a hit who knows if they would be available for the show. They should try to promote more, don't let it air first in another country, make actors do more interviews ,interact more on tweeter and more with beasties who they would get an excellent feed back. And I think I am not intelligent to get to this conclusion, it is so obvious. Anyways hope we get an awesome batb season4. If they would wait till S4 air, actors' contract will come to an end (I think may 2016 or near)... and so CW will have to renew it (and I don't think CW wants to, at least for BATB... my hope is that they will use them for other show). If CW have really wanted to make BATB work, they would have to do promotion and organize interviews during S2 - S3 hiatus... and invest in better writers ... now is too late IMO
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Post by dwayne1111 on Jan 18, 2016 7:57:34 GMT -5
I think when actors signed the contract it is for 5 exclusive years. If I am right about this, I wonder why did they make a rush desicion cancelling the show without waiting to see how season 4 works. They had the actors for granted but now wether it is a hit who knows if they would be available for the show. They should try to promote more, don't let it air first in another country, make actors do more interviews ,interact more on tweeter and more with beasties who they would get an excellent feed back. And I think I am not intelligent to get to this conclusion, it is so obvious. Anyways hope we get an awesome batb season4. If they would wait till S4 air, actors' contract will come to an end (I think may 2016 or near)... and so CW will have to renew it (and I don't think CW wants to, at least for BATB... my hope is that they will use them for other show). If CW have really wanted to make BATB work, they would have to do promotion and organize interviews during S2 - S3 hiatus... and invest in better writers ... now is too late IMO I take the point. Nobody knows all details, or has the right answers about decisions or contracts. I let go of the drama, there is better in life. Past is past. Life can only be understood backwards; but must be lived forwards:))))
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Post by bbatb on Jan 18, 2016 8:32:19 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but wasn't it Whizbang and Take5 Productions that refused to continue after S4, because they were not making any money off of it anymore. Did we not discuss that already in here? Of course ultimately it was the CW network's 'fault'. It they had paid Whizbang enough, they might have continued. Who really knows - agree with you there dwayne1111. But we will continue to talk about things like that in here - I hope. It keeps us connected and it keeps ME sane during this endless hiatus. A few minutes spent in here go a long way to make me feel better, but of course life outside this forum goes on and it is also wonderful.
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Post by dwayne1111 on Jan 18, 2016 9:00:21 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but wasn't it Whizbang and Take5 Productions that refused to continue after S4, because they were not making any money off of it anymore. Did we not discuss that already in here? Of course ultimately it was the CW network's 'fault'. It they had paid Whizbang enough, they might have continued. Who really knows - agree with you there dwayne1111. But we will continue to talk about things like that in here - I hope. It keeps us connected and it keeps ME sane during this endless hiatus. A few minutes spent in here go a long way to make me feel better, but of course life outside this forum goes on and it is also wonderful. Well said as always...... I am looking forward to the future....., five or ten years from now I guess , I can watch all the drama with a big smile on my face, even season two.
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