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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 3:04:36 GMT -5
Probably you have already answer that question in previous post but this will be my first time watch untill a tv show airs in Italy... how can I watch it on the Cw site? It will be available in streaming after it airs on 21 may or only the same night (that means what time in Italy?)
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Post by BeastieBoy on Apr 27, 2015 3:45:28 GMT -5
OK, then I blame CBS Studios and Showcase! In the case of Outlander, does the 300,000 include on-line viewing? At least Outlander airs on the same night in Canada and the US. But since in the US Outlander is on Starz, a paid subscription cable channel, I'm positive a large number of International & US watchers view it off of the Showcase website. I really don't give a cr@p about Outlander, but if the US ratings for S3 BATB tank even worse than S2, I'm sure the fact that Showcase airing it 4 days earlier will have been part of the reason. If Sundays are good for Canada, they could have premiered it the following Sunday on May 24. They cannot watch outlander on the showcase site. They don't have it for obvious reasons. On the contrary batb is there and will be there Also they show outlander first in the u.s on a Saturday and then in Canada on a sunday Then Showcase shouldn't place the S3 batb eps on their website until after the CW airs it. That would help stop some of the pirating and keep more viewing on the CW's site. But they won't because they could care less about US ratings. That's why CBS or the CW should have stipulated such things in their agreement with Showcase.
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Post by rose on Apr 27, 2015 3:55:19 GMT -5
I do think we will be fine streaming wise because if you think about it the people who are impatient to watch the show are the people who really like the show and those people are most likely to watch it more than once that even after watching it on showcase they will still stream it on CW. While those who watch only on TV are most likely not going to be affected by the fact that an episode became available to stream earlier on showcase as they will just stick to their usual viewing schedule. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Apr 27, 2015 4:18:18 GMT -5
I do think we will be fine streaming wise because if you think about it the people who are impatient to watch the show are the people who really like the show and those people are most likely to watch it more than once that even after watching it on showcase they will still stream it on CW. While those who watch only on TV are most likely not going to be affected by the fact that an episode became available to stream earlier on showcase as they will just stick to their usual viewing schedule. Just my 2 cents. Who knows you could be right. But then don't most who watch really like the show? And for every impatient fan that does stream from showcase that's one less stream from the CW, even if they later stream it from the CW to rewatch. I keep thinking back to the pirating article. For BATB to be the most pirated show in NY, it had to be because of Showcase airing S2 early. If it aired on the same night we wouldn't worry or debate about this. But as long as showcase continues to air it before the CW and place the eps online, it's my personal belief that it does have an impact. We know this show needs every bit of help it can get to do well. The lack of promotion is killing us and this move by showcase certainly doesn't help matters.
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Post by raniamahd on Apr 27, 2015 6:13:37 GMT -5
So its official ? Canada will air S3 4 days before USA ?!!!!! too much of CW big summer plan ! right ? ok the selfish impatient part of me should be glad because that means i can watch it early too and won't have to wait till Friday every week to watch the new episode as it was expected but the other part of me would be very sad if the rating goes less than S2 rating but what can we do to fix this ? unfortunately no thing ! but if there is any consolation for us it would be the fact that we know by now that the USA rating has almost nothing to do with the renewal decision for the show ! otherwise we won't get a renewal for a fourth season before the third one airs !
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Apr 27, 2015 10:14:57 GMT -5
Well clearly the cw does not give a s..t about how many people watch the show. No promo even though 20 days away showcase showing it early etc. They clearly are making some money out of it for now and it made business sense for them to renew it for s4 early. I also feel like s4 will be our last season and most likely cast and crew know that. So if that is the case it does not really matter how well we do or don't do. But still - regardless of all this I want our show and actors to be more recognised and do well. Sigh...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2015 10:46:51 GMT -5
Well clearly the cw does not give a s..t about how many people watch the show. No promo even though 20 days away showcase showing it early etc. They clearly are making some money out of it for now and it made business sense for them to renew it for s4 early. I also feel like s4 will be our last season and most likely cast and crew know that. So if that is the case it does not really matter how well we do or don't do. But still - regardless of all this I want our show and actors to be more recognised and do well. Sigh... " I also feel like s4 will be our last season and most likely cast and crew know that": that's my thought too... and I'm ok with this, I don't want strange, impossible or non-sense for BATB like happened when other shows were renewed for long season (see "Lost"... ) "regardless of all this I want our show and actors to be more recognised and do well": Yesssss this is important if we want to see them in other TV Show soon
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Post by Maria on Apr 27, 2015 10:58:37 GMT -5
Well clearly the cw does not give a s..t about how many people watch the show. No promo even though 20 days away showcase showing it early etc. They clearly are making some money out of it for now and it made business sense for them to renew it for s4 early. I also feel like s4 will be our last season and most likely cast and crew know that. So if that is the case it does not really matter how well we do or don't do. But still - regardless of all this I want our show and actors to be more recognised and do well. Sigh... Anapi - succint and well stated as usual. It's as if they are just humouring us and couldn't care less about promotion. Yet that does not make sense financially - why bring another season to air and just expect the fans to do all the work? I do not understand CW / CBS etc. Years ago when the show ER took off and was a big hit, which seemed to surprise NBC who made the show, they had already sold it to the Canadian market and the show aired in Canada two days before it aired in the States. (Tuesday night at 8:00 in Canada compared to 9:00 Thursday night in the US, which was their "prime" night of TV, with the ultra-popular Friends etc.) Once the show became a hit, NBC demanded that the Canadian broadcaster air the show at the same time...or later....than it was airing in the States because Americans that lived along the Canada / US border and could access the Canadian TV stations were able to watch the show earlier and the advertisers for NBC felt they were out revenue because of it. Granted this was before the internet days and cable boxes to tape things, etc. Yet you compare the "fear of pirating" and people watching the show earlier than when CW airs it and hence thinking they are going to be low in the ratings. Well, isn't Game of Thrones one of the highest shows that it pirated or copied or watched off the main network that airs it (HBO I believe) ? And they seem to thrive on that publicity, as if the more people pirate it, the more new viewers must think it could be worth checking out. (I've never watched Game of Thrones...but I digress.) CW was certainly aware that Showcase aired the show one night earlier than the American market. It's appears they did not put any restrictions on the latest season to air for Showcase. So I'm not going to quibble over the fuss people are making about "low ratings" as if it's all the fault of Showcase (not blaming anyone here for that thought but I have seen people fuss about this on social media.) In fact, I believe Austin Basis even posted on his Twitter account that having Canadians watch the show earlier was not an issue. (Sorry, cannot go searching for the link right now...) We have a season four, thank God. Of course we hope that season three takes off to such a high that they give everyone a big raise to come back for season five and beyond...
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Post by BeastieBoy on Apr 27, 2015 12:43:14 GMT -5
Well clearly the cw does not give a s..t about how many people watch the show. No promo even though 20 days away showcase showing it early etc. They clearly are making some money out of it for now and it made business sense for them to renew it for s4 early. I also feel like s4 will be our last season and most likely cast and crew know that. So if that is the case it does not really matter how well we do or don't do. But still - regardless of all this I want our show and actors to be more recognised and do well. Sigh... " I also feel like s4 will be our last season and most likely cast and crew know that": that's my thought too... and I'm ok with this, I don't want strange, impossible or non-sense for BATB like happened when other shows were renewed for long season (see "Lost"... ) "regardless of all this I want our show and actors to be more recognised and do well": Yesssss this is important if we want to see them in other TV Show soon I refuse to give in to these "primal fears" about S4 being the last. There's absolutely no data or even hints that this is the case. OTOH, being so close to the syndication number needed by the end of S4, it would make more business sense to push on with S5. I am forever an optimist. I want the show to do well, one lousy rated season does not make the series. I still feel that anything can happen depending on how well S3 and S4 perform. That's why it pains me when the odds are stacked against S3 succeeding. The CW might not care now, but if by some miracle S3 takes off and becomes one of their mildly better rated shows (and relatively speaking it wouldn't be hard given how Reign & JTV perform), it would change everything.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Apr 27, 2015 13:16:47 GMT -5
Well clearly the cw does not give a s..t about how many people watch the show. No promo even though 20 days away showcase showing it early etc. They clearly are making some money out of it for now and it made business sense for them to renew it for s4 early. I also feel like s4 will be our last season and most likely cast and crew know that. So if that is the case it does not really matter how well we do or don't do. But still - regardless of all this I want our show and actors to be more recognised and do well. Sigh... Anapi - succint and well stated as usual. It's as if they are just humouring us and couldn't care less about promotion. Yet that does not make sense financially - why bring another season to air and just expect the fans to do all the work? I do not understand CW / CBS etc. Years ago when the show ER took off and was a big hit, which seemed to surprise NBC who made the show, they had already sold it to the Canadian market and the show aired in Canada two days before it aired in the States. (Tuesday night at 8:00 in Canada compared to 9:00 Thursday night in the US, which was their "prime" night of TV, with the ultra-popular Friends etc.) Once the show became a hit, NBC demanded that the Canadian broadcaster air the show at the same time...or later....than it was airing in the States because Americans that lived along the Canada / US border and could access the Canadian TV stations were able to watch the show earlier and the advertisers for NBC felt they were out revenue because of it. Granted this was before the internet days and cable boxes to tape things, etc. Yet you compare the "fear of pirating" and people watching the show earlier than when CW airs it and hence thinking they are going to be low in the ratings. Well, isn't Game of Thrones one of the highest shows that it pirated or copied or watched off the main network that airs it (HBO I believe) ? And they seem to thrive on that publicity, as if the more people pirate it, the more new viewers must think it could be worth checking out. (I've never watched Game of Thrones...but I digress.)CW was certainly aware that Showcase aired the show one night earlier than the American market. It's appears they did not put any restrictions on the latest season to air for Showcase. So I'm not going to quibble over the fuss people are making about "low ratings" as if it's all the fault of Showcase (not blaming anyone here for that thought but I have seen people fuss about this on social media.) In fact, I believe Austin Basis even posted on his Twitter account that having Canadians watch the show earlier was not an issue. (Sorry, cannot go searching for the link right now...) We have a season four, thank God. Of course we hope that season three takes off to such a high that they give everyone a big raise to come back for season five and beyond... Game of Thrones is entirely different. It's very popular but only available by paid subscription, that's why it's pirated. BATB is free in the US, so why the need to pirate? Someone mentioned to Austin Basis about how BATB being pirated was a good thing for the show's visibility. Austin replied that it's not good, that it hurts the shows rating, so even he believes there's some impact. I'm not saying Showcase is the main reason for the show's poor S2 rating, there are probably numerous reasons. If the show was highly watched in the US it wouldn't matter. But we all know that the international beasties are the ones really keeping the show afloat. Many of whom go out of their way to stream from the CW just to help. But many won't be able to resist watching off of Showcase first. It's not Showcases fault and I'm not bashing Showcase or Canada. But Showcase airing the show 4 days earlier and putting the eps on-line is not doing the show any favors in the bigger scheme of things.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Apr 27, 2015 14:21:44 GMT -5
In trying to think positively, I will just add this --getting past that 2nd or 3rd season hump is usually the hardest. Once the network has committed to 4 seasons, they are likely to WANT the fifth, for syndication purposes. It used to be that a show had to reach the 100 episode mark AND 5 seasons, but now, it is just reaching that Season 5 for syndication purposes (which makes the show much more valuable). Since the 5 year plan was the original design of the creators, UNLESS the show absolutely loses more viewers and tanks in s3 or s4, the CW should want that 5th season. (Look at the tv shows "Fringe" and "Chuck"--they were in the same boat, but the networks ultimately renewed BOTH shows for a fifth and final reduced season.) So as long as that 4th season goes through, it is in the networks best interests to give it a fifth and final season. Getting that early 4th season renewal indicates the network's desire to go ahead and get that full five seasons, ASSUMING the passionate and loyal existing fanbase remains. SO WATCH AND STREAM PEOPLE (in addition to harassing poor Canadians once Season 3 officially begins to get episode details out fast for those of us Beasties remaining in Beast-form until our dose of most recent VinCat!!)!!!
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Post by raniamahd on Apr 27, 2015 15:52:52 GMT -5
Sorry if its a stupid question but what does (the syndication number ) mean ?
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Apr 27, 2015 17:22:43 GMT -5
Hey Rania!
Money is made for the people behind a show when they get to sell off the reruns. Like when TNT bought "Angel" or "Smallville" to have the rights to re-air the series. And you have to pay more money for the syndication rights (the right to re-air the series) if the television show has 5 seasons. That 5th season is the real benchmark of any series because that means more money when it is sold into syndication. (I'm sure it is way more technical in fact than that, but that is the best way I can think to explain it.)
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Post by raniamahd on Apr 27, 2015 18:02:25 GMT -5
Hey Rania! Money is made for the people behind a show when they get to sell off the reruns. Like when TNT bought "Angel" or "Smallville" to have the rights to re-air the series. And you have to pay more money for the syndication rights (the right to re-air the series) if the television show has 5 seasons. That 5th season is the real benchmark of any series because that means more money when it is sold into syndication. (I'm sure it is way more technical in fact than that, but that is the best way I can think to explain it.) Thanks Victoria so in order to have the right to re-air the series they must have 5 seasons ? the number of the whole episodes doesn't make a difference then ? even if each season has only 10 eps or 8 like UK series ? you know now with S3 we have more episodes than Game of Thrones with its five seasons ! i didn't know that because here when TV channels buy series they have the right to re-air them as much as they like and make them available for online watching too , the number of episodes or seasons doesn't make a difference -- but they have an expired date for their buyer rights after that date they have to re-buy the serie or the movie they want to re-air , i think the expired date for movies is 5 year but i don't remember how long its for TV series but i think those business arrangements are different from a place to another in the world ok lets not give up already and keep our fingers crossed for season5 so our show could keep being a profitable show for everybody including of course the cast and the crew because i think it will be a good reference in their record too
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