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Post by pippin on Feb 22, 2015 21:26:40 GMT -5
Despite generally negative reviews, Beauty and the Beast premiered with 2.78 million viewers and a 1.2 rating, making it the third highest rated and third most watched premiere on the CW over the last three seasons behind only the Flash (1.9 / 4.4 mil) and Arrow (1.3 / 4.14 mil). Unfortunately, the next episode, 780,000 fewer viewers tuned in and the show lost .5 in the rating. By the mid-season finale, the show had a .6 rating and had lost 1.2 million viewers from its premiere. Ratings and viewership rebounded a bit after the PCA win but the last four episodes of season 1 rated only a .5 and averaged only 1.25 million viewers, over 1.5 million less than the series premiere, 750,000 less than its second episode and 500,000 less than Seeing Red. So why do people think season 1 lost so many viewers and what it the one thing you would have changed about season 1 that you think would have helped the show hang onto more of its viewers?
Edit: maybe not one thing you would change but instead things you would change in the first season that would have helped retain viewers.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Feb 22, 2015 21:55:00 GMT -5
I personally think it has to do with the fact that people associated with the movie and with the fairy tale aspect of it. A lot of critics tore it down cause of the fact that the beast was sort of 'hulk' rather then an all time beast. Also people thought the crime of the week were lame. Maybe the viewers were also men and were turned off cause of the romance aspect of it. Many things I think had to do with it.
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Post by ragulr25 on Feb 22, 2015 23:26:03 GMT -5
well i will say i discovered cw network via arrow.(i m not from U.S)
untill then i didnt know a nw abt CW.
so after watching arrow i thought batb is also gonna be an action packed drama.
also the story premise interested me mainly cuz of vincent char.
but in the pilot it felt like they were forcing a vincat ship from the get go and they gave too much info abt vin char way too early and that hideous WIG for jay.
also in all season 1 we were seeing a bit cheesy dialogues here and there.
if u ask me the title of the show itself felt forced.(but hey its better than JTV,cheerleaders death squad)
VIN char:
for a supersoldier he didnt have a good enough fight seq in whole season.(i m talking fight seq like from arow parkour fight seq.strike back, banshee and AoS).
and his char would have been great if he was still working for muirfield and also would have given many layers and story for the writers to work with.
CAT char:
if i recall correct she was studying law before the mothers murder.after her mothers death she went into nypd academy.but here is the thing i never truly got attached to cat's mother .for a series the char which connects the two leads didnt have enough appearance in season 1 to care abt her mother for me.STILL cat char was actually well written for the pilot ep and made her look like a strong person.also u can clearly notice kk does an action seq way cooler than jay.
but in this series it should be the other way around
maybe i m reaching it but i think this is the first job for jay in pure action seq.
but u gotta give credit for jay fighting skills in s2,he did action seq better than in s1(fight seq with his army buddy and s02e02 fight seq with another beast)
i m a firm believer that when u r writing a show u must never compromise a storytelling for the shipping(vincat)(but the reality is many shows r compromising now (olicity) ,but in nw business ratings matter so writers r forced to consider that route)
also when u r gonna make a "thing" between the two leads u must give enough storytelling for each individual char.
by bringing them together soon they missed that individual char storytelling.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 23, 2015 0:30:13 GMT -5
well i will say i discovered cw network via arrow.(i m not from U.S) untill then i didnt know a nw abt CW. so after watching arrow i thought batb is also gonna be an action packed drama. also the story premise interested me mainly cuz of vincent char. but in the pilot it felt like they were forcing a vincat ship from the get go and they gave too much info abt vin char way too early and that hideous WIG for jay. also in all season 1 we were seeing a bit cheesy dialogues here and there. if u ask me the title of the show itself felt forced.(but hey its better than JTV,cheerleaders death squad) VIN char: for a supersoldier he didnt have a good enough fight seq in whole season.(i m talking fight seq like from arow parkour fight seq.strike back, banshee and AoS). and his char would have been great if he was still working for muirfield and also would have given many layers and story for the writers to work with. CAT char: if i recall correct she was studying law before the mothers murder.after her mothers death she went into nypd academy.but here is the thing i never truly got attached to cat's mother .for a series the char which connects the two leads didnt have enough appearance in season 1 to care abt her mother for me.STILL cat char was actually well written for the pilot ep and made her look like a strong person.also u can clearly notice kk does an action seq way cooler than jay. but in this series it should be the other way around maybe i m reaching it but i think this is the first job for jay in pure action seq. but u gotta give credit for jay fighting skills in s2,he did action seq better than in s1(fight seq with his army buddy and s02e02 fight seq with another beast) i m a firm believer that when u r writing a show u must never compromise a storytelling for the shipping(vincat)(but the reality is many shows r compromising now (olicity) ,but in nw business ratings matter so writers r forced to consider that route) also when u r gonna make a "thing" between the two leads u must give enough storytelling for each individual char. by bringing them together soon they missed that individual char storytelling. i do not thinking we can talk about shipping in this case cause this is what the show is about. beauty and the beast. it is a romance after all more than anything else and this is what the story IS about from the get go. the romance between the two main characters and the obstacles they ahve to go through. i feel the reasons it did well to begin with is a) because older viewers were curious due to the older version b) others felt like ragul it would not be so overwhelmingly a romance c) quite a few people tuned in cause of KK (smallville) i feel the reason it failed is a)it is a romance and if you are not hooked by that romance and are primarily interested in other things then you will stop watching. b) its strength is the chemistry/sizzle between vincent and catherine and it has lots of heart that other shows dont but it also has many flaws - i feel mostly writing and storyline wise. and i can completely see how people would quit sooner or later UNLESS they are hooked by the love story. c) fans of the older version (at least many of them) expected a beast and coudl not get over the fact that vincent was good looking and associated the good looks with a superficial storyline hence quit after the pilot |
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Post by ragulr25 on Feb 23, 2015 1:01:59 GMT -5
anapi -season3baby :)i m not saying i m opposed to romance. just wait till u establish ur characters then u have a good relationship thing going. i think brad kern was going for that in the begining of the s2.but after some heavy criticism he changed the dir to "gabe/cat/vin" triangle. but if u saw first 2 or 3 ep it felt like he was onto something. because of the close cancellation everything got wrapped up quickly
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 23, 2015 1:22:22 GMT -5
anapi -season3baby :)i m not saying i m opposed to romance. just wait till u establish ur characters then u have a good relationship thing going. i think brad kern was going for that in the begining of the s2.but after some heavy criticism he changed the dir to "gabe/cat/vin" triangle. but if u saw first 2 or 3 ep it felt like he was onto something. because of the close cancellation everything got wrapped up quickly yeah i know waht u mean. i think though the cat/gabe.tori trinagle thing was planned anyway. what changed was the actual them getting back together in episode 16 instead of 22 making cats character seriously compromised ... but i do feel with season 1 even though they went straight into the romance we did get to understand quite a lot aobut the charactesr individually (things unsaid) from teh get go... |
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Post by BeastieBoy on Feb 23, 2015 1:36:01 GMT -5
I personally think it has to do with the fact that people associated with the movie and with the fairy tale aspect of it. A lot of critics tore it down cause of the fact that the beast was sort of 'hulk' rather then an all time beast. Also people thought the crime of the week were lame. Maybe the viewers were also men and were turned off cause of the romance aspect of it. Many things I think had to do with it. I agree. I think just the title of the show "Beauty and the Beast" was the show's greatest asset and biggest curse coming into season 1. Everyone knows the Disney movie and the classic fairy tale, and some also know the show from the '80s. But this incarnation is not close to anything that came before it. I think the name of the show and its star, Kristin Kreuk, were primary factors for its solid premier numbers. But when it wasn't what many thought it would be or could be, the viewers tuned out over time. By mid season, the show settled into its own thing, but for me season 1 kind of peaked with Evan's death in the "Heart of Darkness". The last story arc with Gabe wasn't as captivating. I guess the ratings of the last 4 episodes mirrored my own sentiments. The last story arc also set the stage for a good chunk of season 2, but let's not go there. I also agree with anapi -season3baby :), the strength of the show is the two main characters, their romance and their challenges. For those into it and who "get it", their love conquers all, even bad writing at times. But for those who aren't into the love story or don't feel the chemistry, there's lots left to be desired. A perfect example is my wife. I tried to get her hooked on BATB many times, she's seen a good chunk of S1, but the leads just don't do it for her. Jay Ryan isn't her type. So for her, the show is too sappy. What could they have done differently to have retained more viewers? I think just after VinCat got together, either before AMP or right after AMP, I would have had them be ripped immediately apart by Vincent mutating into a full on hideous beast. This would have kept the focus and sexual tension squarely on VinCat and taken the series in a direction closer to the classic story. The last story arc with Gabe could have still held the key to Vincent getting his humanity back. But I personally think the Beast needs to be more Beast. He's even less Beast to me in S2, I hope they don't de-beastify him even further in S3. But it's all water under the bridge now, the show is what it is, and I'm perfectly fine with it. Very much looking forward to S3 and S4. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 3:39:37 GMT -5
I would have had them be ripped immediately apart by Vincent mutating into a full on hideous beast. This would have kept the focus and sexual tension squarely on VinCat and taken the series in a direction closer to the classic story. The last story arc with Gabe could have still held the key to Vincent getting his humanity back. But I personally think the Beast needs to be more Beast. He's even less Beast to me in S2, I hope they don't de-beastify him even further in S3 This!!!! |
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Post by jefferen on Feb 23, 2015 6:56:22 GMT -5
Do I need to say anymore since everyone else said it so perfectly? Lol. I agree with everyone:)
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Post by rose on Feb 23, 2015 7:15:33 GMT -5
I am not really sure why the ratings went down because for me the show only got better. When the show started airing I decided to check it out but my expectations were low because I had read negative reviews about the show. The show to me was good and it captivated enough of my attention for me to watch the next episode and the next one after that and I was hooked by the valentines episode. The pilot was good enough for me because normally with a lot of pilots the show is still trying to lay the groundwork and the people trying to grow into their characters to be completely believable that it takes me a few more episodes to be comfortable with the characters. I had watched the 80's version of the show and that is one of the reasons I checked the show out. At the time I watched it I was a kid and l liked the old beast who was beast all the time and lived in the tunnels but for me personally I do not think that I would have liked a beast who stayed a beast all the time for the new version. The new premise works for me because it seems feasible in the modern world were people are experimenting and doing things that are out of this world. And besides the beast in the fairy tale turns into a handsome prince at the end of the story. So why not have a beast who can also turn into a handsome prince. From some of the comments I have seen it seems some people think KK is not believable as a detective. I am not sure what they were basing that on because she is believable to me. I don't know maybe detectives are not supposed to be pretty. For some reason the last episode of S1 was underwhelming for me that I skip it most of the time when I do my rewatches. As for V fighting sequences l don't see anything wrong with them as they are in line with what I would expect from a beast fight. The cases of the week could be a little lame sometimes but I guess these can be a challenge even to the purely procedural shows that I watch. Some people do not just like happy stories and prefer story lines that are dark with no hope and with people dying gruesome and painful deaths and would not like a show that shows love as conquering all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 8:13:49 GMT -5
I Think it depends on your expectation about the show: if you are looking for a new detective-procedural show, BATB isn't (but in this case I usually watch criminal mind for example or CSI), if you are looking for a remake of the old series, BATB isn'T (and they said that from the very beginning during interviews), If you are looking for romance and love challenges here it is. The title could lead to mistake but as someone said in a past interview the Beauty is not necessarily CAT and the the Beast is not necessarily Vincent: every character could be beauty and beast at the same time, because beast is not in a physical attribute, but how you are inside or you could be in different situation. in 2x19 Cat "beasted out" on Gabe, Gabe hides his beasty soul till the end of season 2 when jealousy goes over everything else. I HOPE in a less beasty vincent and looking for some new "human-beast" (in a way a lot of scientists have said that very bad men have special DNA). Anyway I was not hooked by the pilot because I've started seeing it later, but interviews and cast explanations make me better understand and appreciate what I was watching.
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