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Post by rose on Jul 1, 2015 5:26:30 GMT -5
Whose line seem not to be doing as well as it used to last year if I remember correctly it used to pull around 0.6 last summer
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Post by corinne on Jul 1, 2015 6:40:49 GMT -5
Big thank you pippin for all the explanations. Will never become an expert but it's clearer now! I keep thinking that nowadays pure ratings from TV is not as important as before, what with Internet/online viewers/Netflix and international sales... But it sure is intersting to follow - thanks
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jul 2, 2015 14:09:04 GMT -5
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 3, 2015 10:48:28 GMT -5
More viewers at 0.93 but again lower demo at 0.2
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 3, 2015 10:54:41 GMT -5
Half hours 973k and 0.3 demo 889 and 0.2 demo overall 0.2
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Post by jefferen on Jul 3, 2015 17:26:56 GMT -5
It's rather depressing that we are gaining more viewers but our demo keeps dropping.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 3, 2015 21:43:17 GMT -5
It's rather depressing that we are gaining more viewers but our demo keeps dropping. I'm disappointed too that the demo number didn't improve from last week. But the increase in viewers should count for something, right? Because it's the 4th of July holiday weekend, the fact that the number of viewers seems to be increasing gives me hope. I'm not a Nielsen box viewer, but I couldn't watch live last night due to other plans because of the holiday weekend (most in the US have Friday off). So I thought the number of viewers might decline from last week, but it went up. Keeping my fingers crossed that the number of viewers continues to climb and we at least get the demo back to 0.3 for the next episode.
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Post by pippin on Jul 4, 2015 17:11:06 GMT -5
pippin - Let's say we get around 800,000 viewers on the average and the demo was 0.3, I would think that core fan base remains consistent. So if we increase to to say 860,000 one week and the 60K increase in viewers is under 18 or over 49, that would cause the demo to go down to 0.2? I'm still just trying to understand how this stuff works. No, the Live+ Same Day 18-49 demo only goes up or down based on how many "people"(actually Nielsen viewers) in that age group watch the show live or before 3am (apparently Nielsen considers 3am to be the same day). So Beauty's second episode was watched by 808,000 people over the age of 2. Of those 808,000 people, 329,000 of them were between the ages of 18-49. Those 329,000 18-49 year olds translate to a rounded 0.3 demo. The un-rounded demo was actually 0.259 so already the show was below a .3 demo in that age group. If 60,000 additional people watch the show the following week, but none of them are between the ages of 18-49, the demo would stay the same. Of course these numbers are all based on people in the Nielsen panel. A 0.3 demo means only 66 Nielsen panelists in the 18-49 demo are watching. A 0.259 18-49 demo means only around 55 Nielsen panelists are watching. It's not hard to imagine tha While Beauty may be adding some viewers, they are not in the key demo that the advertisers care about. Here are the unrounded 18-49 demo for Beauty's first four episode: 301 -- .287 = 0.3 302 -- .259 = 0.3 303 -- .233 = 0.2 304 -- .230 = 0.2 (this is still the preliminary number) So you can see that each week, the show has lost viewers (or really Nielsen panelists) in the 18-49 demo even as the overall viewership (or entire Nielsen viewing family) goes up or down. 301 -- 880,000 (all viewers) /353,000 (18-49 viewers) 302 -- 808,000 / 329,000 303 -- 863,000 / 296,000 (by my calculations) 304 -- 931,000 / 292,000 (estimate based on prelims) Of course the problem with these figures is they are based on the Nielsen family so even if all Nicole Gale Anderson's 664,000 Twitter follows, who are probably in the preferred 18-49 demo or more likely the coveted 18-34 demo, were to watch the next episode, if none were Nielsen panelists, the 18-49 demo and the viewership numbers would not reflect that.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 4, 2015 17:37:35 GMT -5
pippin - Let's say we get around 800,000 viewers on the average and the demo was 0.3, I would think that core fan base remains consistent. So if we increase to to say 860,000 one week and the 60K increase in viewers is under 18 or over 49, that would cause the demo to go down to 0.2? I'm still just trying to understand how this stuff works. No, the Live+ Same Day 18-49 demo only goes up or down based on how many "people"(actually Nielsen viewers) in that age group watch the show live or before 3am (apparently Nielsen considers 3am to be the same day). So Beauty's second episode was watched by 808,000 people over the age of 2. Of those 808,000 people, 329,000 of them were between the ages of 18-49. Those 329,000 18-49 year olds translate to a rounded 0.3 demo. The un-rounded demo was actually 0.259 so already the show was below a .3 demo in that age group. If 60,000 additional people watch the show the following week, but none of them are between the ages of 18-49, the demo would stay the same. Of course these numbers are all based on people in the Nielsen panel. A 0.3 demo means only 66 Nielsen panelists in the 18-49 demo are watching. A 0.259 18-49 demo means only around 55 Nielsen panelists are watching. It's not hard to imagine tha While Beauty may be adding some viewers, they are not in the key demo that the advertisers care about. Here are the unrounded 18-49 demo for Beauty's first four episode: 301 -- .287 = 0.3 302 -- .259 = 0.3 303 -- .233 = 0.2 304 -- .230 = 0.2 (this is still the preliminary number) So you can see that each week, the show has lost viewers (or really Nielsen panelists) in the 18-49 demo even as the overall viewership (or entire Nielsen viewing family) goes up or down. 301 -- 880,000 (all viewers) /353,000 (18-49 viewers) 302 -- 808,000 / 329,000 303 -- 863,000 / 296,000 (by my calculations) 304 -- 931,000 / 292,000 (estimate based on prelims) Of course the problem with these figures is they are based on the Nielsen family so even if all Nicole Gale Anderson's 664,000 Twitter follows, who are probably in the preferred 18-49 demo or more likely the coveted 18-34 demo, were to watch the next episode, if none were Nielsen panelists, the 18-49 demo and the viewership numbers would not reflect that. Very interesting. Thanks for the explanation, I get it now. So we're gaining viewers but they are either too young or more likely too old to affect the demo rating in a positive way. At the same time we're losing viewers in the preferred demo age group, hence the net is a lower demo rating. The other issue here is accuracy. I wonder if the population sample is statistically really large enough since BATB is on the low end of the ratings spectrum? I would assume the Nielsen mathematicians must have figured out the statistics. However, it seems like such a slim number can tip the scales one way or the other (e.g. + or - 5 Nielsen panel viewers in the preferred age group).
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 5, 2015 2:07:02 GMT -5
No, the Live+ Same Day 18-49 demo only goes up or down based on how many "people"(actually Nielsen viewers) in that age group watch the show live or before 3am (apparently Nielsen considers 3am to be the same day). So Beauty's second episode was watched by 808,000 people over the age of 2. Of those 808,000 people, 329,000 of them were between the ages of 18-49. Those 329,000 18-49 year olds translate to a rounded 0.3 demo. The un-rounded demo was actually 0.259 so already the show was below a .3 demo in that age group. If 60,000 additional people watch the show the following week, but none of them are between the ages of 18-49, the demo would stay the same. Of course these numbers are all based on people in the Nielsen panel. A 0.3 demo means only 66 Nielsen panelists in the 18-49 demo are watching. A 0.259 18-49 demo means only around 55 Nielsen panelists are watching. It's not hard to imagine tha While Beauty may be adding some viewers, they are not in the key demo that the advertisers care about. Here are the unrounded 18-49 demo for Beauty's first four episode: 301 -- .287 = 0.3 302 -- .259 = 0.3 303 -- .233 = 0.2 304 -- .230 = 0.2 (this is still the preliminary number) So you can see that each week, the show has lost viewers (or really Nielsen panelists) in the 18-49 demo even as the overall viewership (or entire Nielsen viewing family) goes up or down. 301 -- 880,000 (all viewers) /353,000 (18-49 viewers) 302 -- 808,000 / 329,000 303 -- 863,000 / 296,000 (by my calculations) 304 -- 931,000 / 292,000 (estimate based on prelims) Of course the problem with these figures is they are based on the Nielsen family so even if all Nicole Gale Anderson's 664,000 Twitter follows, who are probably in the preferred 18-49 demo or more likely the coveted 18-34 demo, were to watch the next episode, if none were Nielsen panelists, the 18-49 demo and the viewership numbers would not reflect that. Very interesting. Thanks for the explanation, I get it now. So we're gaining viewers but they are either too young or more likely too old to affect the demo rating in a positive way. At the same time we're losing viewers in the preferred demo age group, hence the net is a lower demo rating. The other issue here is accuracy. I wonder if the population sample is statistically really large enough since BATB is on the low end of the ratings spectrum? I would assume the Nielsen mathematicians must have figured out the statistics. However, it seems like such a slim number can tip the scales one way or the other (e.g. + or - 5 Nielsen panel viewers in the preferred age group). the other issue may be that the target demo is anyway naturally lower during the summer months as younger people are more likely to be out and about in summer - also considering that the show airs early this week we got 0.2 in the 18-34 target group and 0.3 in the 25-54 (not final numbers yet, these delayed cause of 4th of july) anyway i am not fussed. the numbers of people watching are steady or slightly higher so in my eyes (i know i am not an advertiser) we are not doing worse, also considering summer, no lead in, shows tend to do worse in summer etc i dont even think at this stage a difference like this will help determine whether we air sooner or later (0.2 vs 0.3)...i still think that unless something goes majorly wrong with their fall/mid season line up we will air in may/june oh and yes i do think even though broadly correct the sample is indeed very small so it would not be fully accurate considering as u say the batb low overall viewership. we were always in the low 0.3s or high 0.2s (which rounded to 0.3) so just very few nielsen viewers in the target demo not watching would bring us down to 0.2 - that does not necessarily reflect the reality. so in reality we may be 0.3 .... lol it is incredible how we are looking at the 0.1 points as something so important given that for some shows the 0.1 difference is nothing
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jul 6, 2015 15:07:53 GMT -5
Ratings on for live +7 For Primal Fear we made both lists this week.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jul 6, 2015 15:29:36 GMT -5
And in viewership with the live +7 we gained 293,000 more viewers from 827,000 TO 1,120,000 VIEWERS
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jul 6, 2015 16:00:10 GMT -5
Heart Of The Matter final ratings
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 6, 2015 16:20:08 GMT -5
Heart Of The Matter final ratings u should have just posted the picture i sent u
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jul 6, 2015 17:14:50 GMT -5
Heart Of The Matter final ratings u should have just posted the picture i sent u LOL will do people would need a defibrillator Here are the original numbers posted by spoilertv
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