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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 8, 2014 16:39:21 GMT -5
The only thing the audience would hate more than a reappearance of Tori would be a Tori/Vincent baby. And frankly, that is a scientific impossibility. Tori's blood was basically completely drained and she flat-lined. I mean, Vincent wasn't even TRYING to restart her heart/keep her going until the paramedics came, so it was a hopeless cause. The baby would NOT have survived that, despite beast DNA. Even Brad Kern HAS to know NOT to go there. He has said in his recent interviews that HE WANTS to KEEP the audience that they have, and he understands this audience is entirely VINCAT.
My current worry for Season 3 is the fact that last night's finale was co-written by Brad Kern and, frankly, I found new worry. I was a big FRINGE fan, so I have seen GOOD sci-fi writing at its best as relates to unknown covert corporate bodies creating creatures for certain purposes. While I LOVE Peter and Olivia and everything that FRINGE was about, I found the hint that Season 3 was trying to copy this type of program quite disconcerting, at least with what I have seen about the agents presented so far. The agents seem to be there for "good," yet they chastise Vincent for not upholding his end and killing Gabe earlier. Hello, so does this mean that they are sending Vincent out on Killing Missions like Agent Reynolds? How is that helping rehabilitate or save anyone? Why would Vincent WANT to work for them at this point OTHER than because of JT? Obviously, these guys have covertly been watching multiple people in the BATB universe yet only chosen to get involved at certain times. Why weren't they out there trying to save lives? And how long HAVE they been around--long enough to know what Reynolds did and not report it?
It looks like Season 3 is supposed to look like Season 1 of FRINGE, and even their showrunners felt the need to change up the format after Season 1 because the weird creature of the week was not keeping fans. The Peter/Olivia relationship ended up being the main grab for the audience (myself included--they are one of my Top 5 Epic Couples of TV of all time), and the writers there DID find a way to successfully reboot the relationship for ALL 5 SEASONS and still keep it interesting. However, BATB can't do the whole "alternate universe" thing that FRINGE was able to use successfully. If the Rebecca/Allistair thing was their version of the alt-universe, then I have problems. First off, WAY too little time to have me actually vested in R/A. I could see where they wanted to go, but there was not enough time. I think the gem and Rebecca arcs are supposed to be considered ended, so we are back to covert government agencies versus corporate beast-making machines. Again, unless you plan to develop Massive Dynamic on a BATB scale (and HOW exactly can you do that when it took Fringe how many seasons while we only have 13 episodes so far?), how will this go down? I'm NOT complaining if it is WRITTEN and DEVELOPED well, and we get a REAL SENSE of what these characters are like and the struggles they have to overcome. Agent Knox could have been far more developed then he was if there was only more screen time.
Other concern is that Brad Kern said in at least one interview that they are STUCK with Cat's precinct and having Cat remain there since it was an expensive set that they must use. And the Season 3 description does say "Detective" Catherine Chandler. Thus, we will have to have time being spent in looking in on the precinct, the government agency type people working with Vincent and Catherine, and the corporate experiments and their lives (and whether to kill or help hide these people). Again, all of these backdrops (plus where JT lives and Heather and Tess), mean that the sometimes-too-frantic pace of Season 2 will remain. And while I like the police cases and action and saving lives that Vincent and Cat often do, I want ACTUAL TIME SPENT for character development AND REAL VinCat scenes. I want to SEE the romance (or at least have them freaking talk about it). I want to get a sense of the life that Vincent and Catherine lead ALONE TOGETHER. Yet it already seems that we will have multiple settings that have to be utilized for Season 3. However, the cases at the police precinct potentially going hand-in-hand with the corporate agenda Beast issues will OBVIOUSLY cause Real Couple Problems for Catherine and Vincent since potentially life-risking work-related activities will definitely be taking up a large chunk of their time. And the writers that BEST handled, in my opinion, the character-driven story development with plot are only consultants next season.
I don't want a poor re-hashing of Fringe on BATB for Season 3. I hope for something more. And what I want MOST is REAL ROMANCE that I GET TO SEE or hear about on my screen as relates to VinCat. Peter and Olivia really only had 1 love scene during the whole of 5 seasons of FRINGE. Yet what we DID get on the screen showed how very much in love the two were. And that it was real Destiny that they be together. Give me that on BATB, and I will be happy, no matter what else they do with Season 3.
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Post by 00jinx on Jul 8, 2014 17:36:35 GMT -5
As to the potential for Tori coming back in Season 3, I DO NOT foresee that happening. That storyline was so unpopular in how it evolved on screen that there was no way to salvage it, particularly as it seems that fans left in droves. The Tori/Vincent having this "primal pull" that supposedly only Beasts can have is, in my opinion and as others have said before me, a real slap at the VinCat relationship as it implies that Catherine could never have the sexual satisfaction appeal to Vincent that another she-beast could have. Frankly, what I think the writers initially hoped to convey was that VinCat were clearly having relationship issues/disconnect that was happening due to Vincent's seeming enjoyment of his kills. Vincent and Cat couldn't agree on plans to determine Vincent's handler and over "justice" for Vincent/Tori, etc. and were just overall not getting along (Tess even comments on Cat's need to overcompensate with Thanksgiving decorations because of what was going on in her life.) Vincent's behavior and differences from his previous pre-amnesiac self were scary to Cat and obviously causing her alarm bells to go off. We twice saw instances on our screen of Vincent wanting sex from Cat and her denying him due to what was going on at the time ("Reunion" and then at the beginning of the episode right after Cat had seen Vincent pull Windsor's heart out). And Vincent, at that time, was so angry (leftovers from traumatic torture and brainwashing/programming to kill as well as from loss of his memories) that when he felt "betrayed" by Cat (at least in his mind), Vincent turned to whatever else was there, particularly as at some level, there was revenge against Cat. We CLEARLY saw in "Ancestors" just how much it bothered Vincent that Catherine had kissed a guy. Tori was easily able to play on that and manipulate, while also being vulnerable herself and a former victim, to the point that when you take all of that together, the Vincent/Tori sex actually makes sense from a practical standpoint. The two were virtually isolated at this point and felt like it was them against the world. And, importantly to note at the time, I DO think part of the old Vincent WAS under the surface that realized that his actions and beast inclinations were causing trouble/stress for Cat. Vincent had already seen the toll that "Beast issues" had taken on Cat in "reunion." Thus, the old Vincent guilt at what his relationship with Cat had cost her was easily able to be played upon by Reynolds at the time, WHO THREATENED TO EXPOSE CAT if Vincent continued in a relationship with her. Add in Tori's "beastly influence" power thingy, whatever that was (and YES, I would have like the writers to have better defined that, etc. but it is what it is) at the exact time of Reynolds threat, followed by finding out Reynolds was the cause of torture, amnesia, AND attempting to kill Vincent after having used him and thrown him out like garbage led to the Tori thing (because in Vincent's rage-fueled mind at the time, Cat valued justice more for her father than for him). At any rate, Vincent immediately became involved with Tori only to seemingly clearly regret said involvement following "Held Hostage." By this time, the "sexual pull" with Tori had obviously turned out to be basically empty, since Vincent would sneak out of bed, per Tori, every night to call Cat. Thus, WHO DO YOU THINK VINCENT was REALLY thinking about while having sex with Tori? Quite frankly, Vincent found that just primal sex did nothing for him other than make him long for Cat and a REAL CONNECTION with his lover. He didn't even think to tell Tori about Beast things that he learned when he was LIVING with her, preferring to share everything with Cat. HOWEVER, while I think the Viewer is supposed to REALIZE that primal beast sex was certainly NOT appealing for more than a blink of the eye, I CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE preferred to have Vincent SAY that to JT so that the Viewer would be left with no question who Vincent's sexual mate as well as romantic mate really is. Due to the above abyss that Tori created, potentially, for all She-Beasts and the history we have learned throughout the rest of Season 2, it is rather obvious that the writers would not bring in another She-Beast since that would only make fans fear another Tori-style incident, the rather murky waters created surrounding whether or not is really primal pull or not for beasts that would potentially override Vincent's good sense and judgment again, and the fact that, supposedly, Beasts all go bad in the end (unless they are loved and return said love), we are just not likely to get a She-Beast again (and certainly NOT Tori--mass rioting in the streets would be too likely. We Beasties can be a potentially vocal group when our VinCat appears attacked. I, for one, would go Code Yellow over a reappearance of Tori. And that coming from someone who is herself named Victoria but has gone by Tori all her life and now is quite afraid to ever use real name around Beasties after the above plot! I mean, I WANTED to like a character with ny namesake and all. Couldn't make it happen.). Despite saying the above, the Writers COULD, if done well, bring in another She-Beast in Season 3 as one of the experimented-on victims. Quite naturally, I think Catherine would then have a "Normal Couple" reaction to said She-Beast in being reminded of the whole Tori-thing and how she and Vincent never talked about it afterwards (I mean, really, they can't have. By the time they got back together in 216, Vincent got arrested the very next morning. So the Tori issues have never been discussed. And I would think that Vincent would NOT want to discuss the whole Tori thing since he has said that he "doesn't want to know about Gabe's firsthand anything!" Meaning that whatever happened during their time apart is not something that Vincent ever wants to think about again.). Bringing in another She-Beast and having Cat either react badly or behave distantly from Vincent, or really have any time of concerns at all, would force VinCat to discuss previous issues. And the Writers could then clear up for Catherine (AND FOR FANS) the fact that Tori never was loved by Vincent and that the "primal pull" beast sex was actually empty because not based on a REAL CONNECTION like the kind that VinCat have. Plus, as we saw, Tori never helped pull Vincent out of his selfish Beast phase. Only Catherine could bring him back to loving human after what had happened in "Held Hostage" when Vincent realized that he COULD trust Cat. Sorry, long post. But wanted to say why I think we WON'T see Tori in Season 3, but we MIGHT see a style of She-Beast just to create normal couple concerns (like Cat fearing if Vincent could again be attracted to that dark side and cheat on her, etc.). I hope you are right!! I would really like to hear this two discuss about Tori ( ) because we had to deal with the "Tori and Vincent have a connection that he will never have with Catherine" c**p, but we never heard him saying that that "connection" meant nothing to him and HOW he realized that Catherine was the one he needed/wanted to be with. Other than that, honestly, any reference to a potential Vincent and Tori's ( ) baby makes me feel like LOL I agree on all of you guys' points.
Tori was and still is a non-issue. She served her purpose and met her demise as is. What did she say as her last dying words? LOL Something to the effect of Catherine being V's soulmate; the only truth she ever spoke. LOL Tori was the opposite of Catherine. She got her kicks and her licks and then kicked the bucket. haha She was a temporary spoiler for VinCat, but I wouldn't consider her any real threat to VinCat's destiny. Same with Gabe, I just didn't see him as a real threat to the VinCat relationship. I have say, there was no triangle for either side, just annoyances. hahaha, I liked Gabe in the beginning when he first came on but his fixation on Cat was that of a 2nd grader having a crush on his teacher; so tepid and amateur. Cat had Vincent in her back pocket regardless, so Gabe really couldn't do much damage other he would have been Beast breakfast. haha It just wasn't going to get anywhere as serious and as epic (as Tess would say) as VinCat.
So with that said, S3 should be when the "real drama" begins for VinCat. Vincent is now apart of society, possibly having a new job profiling other beasts/creatures. This brings about a new found confidence for him and Catherine. The sky is the limit and I hope the writers get back to VinCat's fiery chemistry that I've been missing for nearly a whole season. I don't care S1 encapsulated VinCat's beauty like no other. Its hard not to think about it that I'm salivating over here. hahaha
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 17:50:12 GMT -5
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID!!!!
I'm so glad someone finally sees it the same way I do. I've been saying this for months.
The Tori/Vincent having this "primal pull" that supposedly only Beasts can have is, in my opinion and as others have said before me, a real slap at the VinCat relationship as it implies that Catherine could never have the sexual satisfaction appeal to Vincent that another she-beast could have.
I hate that fact too, I don't know why they had to say it. Vincat are destined we know that but implying that Tori/Vincent have a connection that Cat will never have with Vincent was a slap in the face to all loyal fans. I on the other hand don't think it was about sexual; I think it was more about the fact that Cat isn't a beast thus she doesn't know the feelings V feels, the daily struggles and then well the 2 of them being beasts. I think it was more of that. Also a lot of people say they cut the Tori arc because of the fans but I read that interview with BK where he said that by the time the audience saw episode 1, episode 8 had already been filmed and edited so their voices didn't help with the storylines so it should be more or less then same for these later episodes.
Vincent and Cat couldn't agree on plans to determine Vincent's handler and over "justice" for Vincent/Tori, etc. and were just overall not getting along
As for this, Vincent had let Cat go ahead with her plans but Tori manipulated into not denying who he really is. I don't think its That Vincent and Cat didn't necessarily agree just that beastly primal wtv u call it, it clouded his judgment.
Frankly, what I think the writers initially hoped to convey was that VinCat were clearly having relationship issues/disconnect that was happening due to Vincent's seeming enjoyment of his kills.
I don't necessarily think they we're having relationship issues until Tori entered the picture. That is when everything started to go downhill. Yes Cat had issues with Vincent killing those other beasts but all in all Vincent wanted to make it up to Cat in Reunion and then in another one when he wanted to go away with her.
We CLEARLY saw in "Ancestors" just how much it bothered Vincent that Catherine had kissed a guy.
THANK YOU for saying this. I said the same exact thing but a lot of people don't see it this way.
The two were virtually isolated at this point and felt like it was them against the world.
I wouldn't exactly say it was them against the world, more like Tori; Vincent had JT and still then Cat still cared for Vincent she wouldn't of let anything happen to him. The one thing I have to say is Tori pulled the guilt card so many times how she has nobody which finally came to a blow in "recipe for disaster" Vincent just felt bad for the poor girl.
Thus, the old Vincent guilt at what his relationship with Cat had cost her was easily able to be played upon by Reynolds at the time, WHO THREATENED TO EXPOSE CAT if Vincent continued in a relationship with her. Add in Tori's "beastly influence" power thingy, whatever that was
In that convo right after Cat saw Vincent kiss Tori, At first he was defending himself and when she said her father is looking out for her that is when the red lights went on in his head and told her to walk away. You know what annoys me in that kiss scene, 1 that Vincent kissed her back and 2 that he grabbed her hand. That was just too much a little.
He didn't even think to tell Tori about Beast things that he learned when he was LIVING with her, preferring to share everything with Cat.
Loved that you said this; Cat knew more about what Vincent was finding out then Tori was that's when I realize that Vincent saw her more as an obligation then anything else.
So the Tori issues have never been discussed. And I would think that Vincent would NOT want to discuss the whole Tori thing since he has said that he "doesn't want to know about Gabe's firsthand anything!" Meaning that whatever happened during their time apart is not something that Vincent ever wants to think about again.). Bringing in another She-Beast and having Cat either react badly or behave distantly from Vincent, or really have any time of concerns at all, would force VinCat to discuss previous issues.
I think at some point they will have to address the Tori thing because yes he did cheat on her and went all beast turning his back on their love. I said this earlier but I see one of their obstacles next yr being about her not fully trusting or having some issues with what happened in the past. We the audience and Cat need closure on that forefront. I don't see us seeing another she-beast for the sole purpose it would open up old wounds and there is not suppose to be any third party involvement anymore.
I, for one, would go Code Yellow over a reappearance of Tori.
I'm with you on that one. I wasn't here when the Tori arc was on tv and im sure it was very difficult to watch those 3 episodes. I wouldn't have wanted to be her then.
And the Writers could then clear up for Catherine (AND FOR FANS) the fact that Tori never was loved by Vincent and that the "primal pull" beast sex was actually empty because not based on a REAL CONNECTION like the kind that VinCat have. Plus, as we saw, Tori never helped pull Vincent out of his selfish Beast phase. Only Catherine could bring him back to loving human after what had happened in "Held Hostage" when Vincent realized that he COULD trust Cat.
This is the only reason I would potentially accept a she-beast so that Vincent can clear up his whole relationship to Cat. Cause clearly Vincent knows A LOT about her relationship with Gabe, especially when she confided in him about hiding from that relationship and having doubts and all.
And the other point Ive been making his that Held Hostage was a big turning point to the Vincat relationship; Cat turning off the lights for V opened his eyes that Cat was never out to hurt him or to get revenge on him or anything; no matter what would happen between them she would always be there to protect him and he realized it that night. And Cat realized right then and there that the old Vincent was still under there(yes she thought he heard her) but then when he admitted that he never heard her that fact was solidified.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 18:06:10 GMT -5
alwayscrazedbatbfanBK did also say that the mythology will be continued into season 3. We don't really know what supernatural thing will be introduced only thing we know is if science can create beasts then there's a lot worse things out there. Who knows what that is? All we know from CW's synopsis for season 3 is that they will uncover a deeper conspiracy and that Vincent will have to run to the beats within and that can endanger his life and Vincat's love. So they will obviously have issues about the risks he's willing to take. All in all Vincent was always a character who does the right thing but the question is at what cost? And well normal couple issues could be anything from where they are going to live? what do they want for the future? do they want kids? who's going to do the dishes? lol all we know for sure is they have no tension on breaking them up so we will probably get some fight scenes, maybe one sleeps on the couch LOL Should be interesting and I am also pretty sure we will get good romance next season as BK knows that's what we want and this year is the year to please us loyal fans.
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Post by 00jinx on Jul 8, 2014 18:23:27 GMT -5
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID!!!!
I'm so glad someone finally sees it the same way I do. I've been saying this for months.
The Tori/Vincent having this "primal pull" that supposedly only Beasts can have is, in my opinion and as others have said before me, a real slap at the VinCat relationship as it implies that Catherine could never have the sexual satisfaction appeal to Vincent that another she-beast could have.
I hate that fact too, I don't know why they had to say it. Vincat are destined we know that but implying that Tori/Vincent have a connection that Cat will never have with Vincent was a slap in the face to all loyal fans. I on the other hand don't think it was about sexual; I think it was more about the fact that Cat isn't a beast thus she doesn't know the feelings V feels, the daily struggles and then well the 2 of them being beasts. I think it was more of that. Also a lot of people say they cut the Tori arc because of the fans but I read that interview with BK where he said that by the time the audience saw episode 1, episode 8 had already been filmed and edited so their voices didn't help with the storylines so it should be more or less then same for these later episodes.
Vincent and Cat couldn't agree on plans to determine Vincent's handler and over "justice" for Vincent/Tori, etc. and were just overall not getting along
As for this, Vincent had let Cat go ahead with her plans but Tori manipulated into not denying who he really is. I don't think its That Vincent and Cat didn't necessarily agree just that beastly primal wtv u call it, it clouded his judgment.
Frankly, what I think the writers initially hoped to convey was that VinCat were clearly having relationship issues/disconnect that was happening due to Vincent's seeming enjoyment of his kills.
I don't necessarily think they we're having relationship issues until Tori entered the picture. That is when everything started to go downhill. Yes Cat had issues with Vincent killing those other beasts but all in all Vincent wanted to make it up to Cat in Reunion and then in another one when he wanted to go away with her.
We CLEARLY saw in "Ancestors" just how much it bothered Vincent that Catherine had kissed a guy.
THANK YOU for saying this. I said the same exact thing but a lot of people don't see it this way.
The two were virtually isolated at this point and felt like it was them against the world.
I wouldn't exactly say it was them against the world, more like Tori; Vincent had JT and still then Cat still cared for Vincent she wouldn't of let anything happen to him. The one thing I have to say is Tori pulled the guilt card so many times how she has nobody which finally came to a blow in "recipe for disaster" Vincent just felt bad for the poor girl.
Thus, the old Vincent guilt at what his relationship with Cat had cost her was easily able to be played upon by Reynolds at the time, WHO THREATENED TO EXPOSE CAT if Vincent continued in a relationship with her. Add in Tori's "beastly influence" power thingy, whatever that was
In that convo right after Cat saw Vincent kiss Tori, At first he was defending himself and when she said her father is looking out for her that is when the red lights went on in his head and told her to walk away. You know what annoys me in that kiss scene, 1 that Vincent kissed her back and 2 that he grabbed her hand. That was just too much a little.
He didn't even think to tell Tori about Beast things that he learned when he was LIVING with her, preferring to share everything with Cat.
Loved that you said this; Cat knew more about what Vincent was finding out then Tori was that's when I realize that Vincent saw her more as an obligation then anything else.
So the Tori issues have never been discussed. And I would think that Vincent would NOT want to discuss the whole Tori thing since he has said that he "doesn't want to know about Gabe's firsthand anything!" Meaning that whatever happened during their time apart is not something that Vincent ever wants to think about again.). Bringing in another She-Beast and having Cat either react badly or behave distantly from Vincent, or really have any time of concerns at all, would force VinCat to discuss previous issues.
I think at some point they will have to address the Tori thing because yes he did cheat on her and went all beast turning his back on their love. I said this earlier but I see one of their obstacles next yr being about her not fully trusting or having some issues with what happened in the past. We the audience and Cat need closure on that forefront. I don't see us seeing another she-beast for the sole purpose it would open up old wounds and there is not suppose to be any third party involvement anymore.
I, for one, would go Code Yellow over a reappearance of Tori.
I'm with you on that one. I wasn't here when the Tori arc was on tv and im sure it was very difficult to watch those 3 episodes. I wouldn't have wanted to be her then.
And the Writers could then clear up for Catherine (AND FOR FANS) the fact that Tori never was loved by Vincent and that the "primal pull" beast sex was actually empty because not based on a REAL CONNECTION like the kind that VinCat have. Plus, as we saw, Tori never helped pull Vincent out of his selfish Beast phase. Only Catherine could bring him back to loving human after what had happened in "Held Hostage" when Vincent realized that he COULD trust Cat.
This is the only reason I would potentially accept a she-beast so that Vincent can clear up his whole relationship to Vincent. Cause clearly Vincent knows A LOT about her relationship with Gabe, especially when she confided in him about hiding from that relationship and having doubts and all.
And the other point Ive been making his that Held Hostage was a big turning point to the Vincat relationship; Cat turning off the lights for V opened his eyes that Cat was never out to hurt him or to get revenge on him or anything; no matter what would happen between them she would always be there to protect him and he realized it that night. And Cat realized right then and there that the old Vincent was still under there(yes she thought he heard her) but then when he admitted that he never heard her that fact was solidified.
OMGawsh!!! I am so in love with all of THIS!! ^
I have so much to add, but I need to gather my thoughts first. hahaha
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Post by dan on Jul 8, 2014 18:50:13 GMT -5
alwayscrazedbatbfanBK did also say that the mythology will be continued into season 3. We don't really know what supernatural thing will be introduced only thing we know is if science can create beasts then there's a lot worse things out there. Who knows what that is? All we know from CW's synopsis for season 3 is that they will uncover a deeper conspiracy and that Vincent will have to run to the beats within and that can endanger his life and Vincat's love. So they will obviously have issues about the risks he's willing to take. All in all Vincent was always a character who does the right thing but the question is at what cost? And well normal couple issues could be anything from where they are going to live? what do they want for the future? do they want kids? who's going to do the dishes? lol all we know for sure is they have no tension on breaking them up so we will probably get some fight scenes, maybe one sleeps on the couch LOL Should be interesting and I am also pretty sure we will get good romance next season as BK knows that's what we want and this year is the year to please us loyal fans. Yep,sounds like another Vincent beast centric season. When Kern said the audience wanted more Vincent and Cat,he only meant Vincent with the reason Cat appear on-screen is just to tell Vincent story. Glad to see the unequality never change on this show.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 19:12:31 GMT -5
alwayscrazedbatbfanBK did also say that the mythology will be continued into season 3. We don't really know what supernatural thing will be introduced only thing we know is if science can create beasts then there's a lot worse things out there. Who knows what that is? All we know from CW's synopsis for season 3 is that they will uncover a deeper conspiracy and that Vincent will have to run to the beats within and that can endanger his life and Vincat's love. So they will obviously have issues about the risks he's willing to take. All in all Vincent was always a character who does the right thing but the question is at what cost? And well normal couple issues could be anything from where they are going to live? what do they want for the future? do they want kids? who's going to do the dishes? lol all we know for sure is they have no tension on breaking them up so we will probably get some fight scenes, maybe one sleeps on the couch LOL Should be interesting and I am also pretty sure we will get good romance next season as BK knows that's what we want and this year is the year to please us loyal fans. Yep,sounds like another Vincent beast centric season. When Kern said the audience wanted more Vincent and Cat,he only meant Vincent with the reason Cat appear on-screen is just to tell Vincent story. Glad to see the unequality never change on this show. lol he said it was gonna be very Vincat-centric and about their love. "Now that they're back together again and now that the loyal audience remains the main audience, going forward our focus, absolutely, is to make the show more Cat/Vincent love-centric. To challenge their love in different ways, but not by splitting them up or tearing them apart."
TVF: I know the theme this year was "Who Am I" and you've mentioned the theme for Season 3 will be "Who Are We." Is that still the idea?
BK: Yeah. I mean, again, the focus of that question is meant to tell the audience that the focus is on Cat and Vincent in Season 3 as they explore what it's like to be a normal couple that has this greater destiny. They've gone through hell and back, Cat and Vincent, but they haven't really dealt with a lot of normal issues yet and that'll be the fun with some of the challenges that we look forward to them working through and dealing with as they deal with the next level of the mythology, which will be in Season 3.
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Post by dan on Jul 8, 2014 19:52:14 GMT -5
Yep,sounds like another Vincent beast centric season. When Kern said the audience wanted more Vincent and Cat,he only meant Vincent with the reason Cat appear on-screen is just to tell Vincent story. Glad to see the unequality never change on this show. lol he said it was gonna be very Vincat-centric and about their love. "Now that they're back together again and now that the loyal audience remains the main audience, going forward our focus, absolutely, is to make the show more Cat/Vincent love-centric. To challenge their love in different ways, but not by splitting them up or tearing them apart."
TVF: I know the theme this year was "Who Am I" and you've mentioned the theme for Season 3 will be "Who Are We." Is that still the idea?
BK: Yeah. I mean, again, the focus of that question is meant to tell the audience that the focus is on Cat and Vincent in Season 3 as they explore what it's like to be a normal couple that has this greater destiny. They've gone through hell and back, Cat and Vincent, but they haven't really dealt with a lot of normal issues yet and that'll be the fun with some of the challenges that we look forward to them working through and dealing with as they deal with the next level of the mythology, which will be in Season 3.
And that is Vincentcentric. You well know the only problem that Cat ever have is how to take care of her boyfriend. That s her whole arc. Just because she likes to kick people doesn't immediately make her a strong female character. A real strong one have many other storylines and Backstory of her own self. Unlike weak Cat who would have zero arc if we take away her entanglement with the only real center character on this show, King V.
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Post by ragulr25 on Jul 8, 2014 21:36:18 GMT -5
at this point i dont see anyone from vincent family show up in season 3 .after all manhunts this season if there were someone they might have popped up.but no one so far. so its better to make a storyline that everyone in his family is dead (aaron too). when it comes to season 3 i can still see cat working as a nypd cop(still think cat as a nypd cop limits storyline telling) and vin will be witout a job still living in the couch of cat untill her sister comes up and boot him out.lol. and when it comes to secret organisation i think they r gonna make more soldiers with vin blood.(considering vincat might had not take the job and they r forced to go for other options) cuz we all know till now vin is the beast who is sane so. but still wondering how the beast ceature first created in ancient times. considering this is a romance show i think we might not get answer to that.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jul 8, 2014 21:38:46 GMT -5
It's a great idea to end season 2 as if it were the end. They have given all of us a choice. That's the good thing to come out of a wacky season. Either I continue to watch or not.. I for one am on the VinCat wagon. In other words I'm in for whatever floats their boats.... tickle their fancy Catherine centric...King Vincent centric... whatever centric. End game is BEAUTY AND THE BEAST no matter how it's written.
Bring on season 3! I'm ready!
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 22:23:35 GMT -5
at this point i dont see anyone from vincent family show up in season 3 .after all manhunts this season if there were someone they might have popped up.but no one so far. so its better to make a storyline that everyone in his family is dead (aaron too). when it comes to season 3 i can still see cat working as a nypd cop(still think cat as a nypd cop limits storyline telling) and vin will be witout a job still living in the couch of cat untill her sister comes up and boot him out.lol. and when it comes to secret organisation i think they r gonna make more soldiers with vin blood.(considering vincat might had not take the job and they r forced to go for other options) cuz we all know till now vin is the beast who is sane so. but still wondering how the beast ceature first created in ancient times. considering this is a romance show i think we might not get answer to that. Well they addressed the whole family issue in the interview. Here's the excerpt TVF: That's great! There were some inconsistencies this season, and one of the things everybody wonders is what happened with Vincent's family when he announced that he was alive? Will that ever be addressed?
BK: I mean, that's something we talked about a lot this season and it's admittedly a dropped thread from our point of view. It's challenging to figure out who his family is and where they are to incorporate them into the show. We tried to bring in a nephew, which we did in Beauty and the Beast Season 2 Episode 4 I think, but we didn't really feel like that relationship was worth carrying forward, although we kept looking for Vincent's family.
It's a dropped thread and it was a challenge that we did not meet in this season and we are still trying to figure out how to do that going forward. It gets harder every season because of the simple question; where were they all this time? So, it's been a challenge. This series is very challenging with a lot of balls to juggle and that's one element we weren't successful incorporating.
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Post by vincat4always on Jul 8, 2014 22:26:27 GMT -5
It's a great idea to end season 2 as if it were the end. They have given all of us a choice. That's the good thing to come out of a wacky season. Either I continue to watch or not.. I for one am on the VinCat wagon. In other words I'm in for whatever floats their boats.... tickle their fancy Catherine centric...King Vincent centric... whatever centric. End game is BEAUTY AND THE BEAST no matter how it's written. Bring on season 3! I'm ready! Great to have you back VinCat❤Destined missed you:)
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jul 9, 2014 0:32:01 GMT -5
It's a great idea to end season 2 as if it were the end. They have given all of us a choice. That's the good thing to come out of a wacky season. Either I continue to watch or not.. I for one am on the VinCat wagon. In other words I'm in for whatever floats their boats.... tickle their fancy Catherine centric...King Vincent centric... whatever centric. End game is BEAUTY AND THE BEAST no matter how it's written. Bring on season 3! I'm ready! Great to have you back VinCat❤Destined missed you:) Not fully back yet . No Internet for 4 days now.. although hopefully that changes later when the tech suppose to come and fix it
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 9, 2014 0:43:33 GMT -5
Not fully back yet . No Internet for 4 days now.. although hopefully that changes later when the tech suppose to come and fix it fingers crossed
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jul 9, 2014 1:47:46 GMT -5
Do u guys know when the DVD is released will order it shortly but no release date yet
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