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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2014 21:35:15 GMT -5
What have you guys done to me? I have been singing MEMORIES all day long....how I miss "the way they were". OUCH!!!!! One of my favourite scenes EVER!! Ouch is just what we Beasties are feeling right now Vincent! Your hotness is sending us to the ER in droves!! Too much swooning and heart ache!! ....and there is only one medication for our condition......Vincent, intravenously! Better than morphine!
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Post by Bill the beast on Feb 15, 2014 13:17:51 GMT -5
The only reason I'm watching this show is that Season One showed up on NetFlix and I watched it because of KK. Then I watched it straight through about a dozen times. Then I also started watching Smallville straight through (I'm up to Season 7) at the same time.
Others here have nailed it: the answer is chemistry. It is something KK can do. And that's not to take anything away from the male actors with her. They were wonderful. But she can express feelings with those incredible eyes in a way to rip the heart right out of your chest.
The director's commentary on the Smallville DVDs said it several times: her ability to connect (chemistry) was "magic" and "can't be taught in acting schools". And she was only 18 when that pilot was made!
The producers there (Millar and Gough) didn't have a clue what they had. That chemistry was the emotional heart of the show. It was a Romeo and Juliet tale like no other.
The producers / writers of BATB may be no better. At this point (2.13) I consider that they likely have committed series-suicide. The chemistry is completely gone from Season Two. Strange, considering how many producer/writer/director names are familiar to Smallville fans.
To answer the original question, I'm really fond of the Pilot (1.1). I've watched it many dozens of times. (I even contributed the plot synopsis entry to IMDb) Everything about the chemistry is right there: he is drawn to her (although he feels unworthy) since the night he saved her ten years before; she is drawn to him (although she feels unworthy) because she admires him: his human side is dominant; despite his desperate need to hide he goes out to save people. Clearly, their love can "save each other".
In other words they are meant to be together despite the powerful forces ripping them apart. A Romeo and Juliet tale like no other.
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Post by crazyforbatb_has season 3 on Feb 15, 2014 17:11:43 GMT -5
Bill the Beast I totally agree with you. Kk has an amazing ability to portray feelings, thoughts and emotions with her eyes and facial expressions. I loved the Pilot and one of the reasons is because of the clearly visible connection and chemistry you can see between JR and KK. Also the pilot was the start of an amazing series. I have never before been so vested in a show or been so affected by one. When the show isn't on tv I feel like a friend is missing. The show had to take a different direction in order to get another season and hopefully a third but what most of us beasties feel is probably not an objection to new direction but the way it was done. It has become so like a teen angst TVD-type direction which really lowers the integrity of the characters and is an insult to their IQ.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 18:06:07 GMT -5
Bill the Beast I totally agree with you. Kk has an amazing ability to portray feelings, thoughts and emotions with her eyes and facial expressions. I loved the Pilot and one of the reasons is because of the clearly visible connection and chemistry you can see between JR and KK. Also the pilot was the start of an amazing series. I have never before been so vested in a show or been so affected by one. When the show isn't on tv I feel like a friend is missing. The show had to take a different direction in order to get another season and hopefully a third but what most of us beasties feel is probably not an objection to new direction but the way it was done. It has become so like a teen angst TVD-type direction which really lowers the integrity of the characters and is an insult to their IQ. ...and ours, chica!!!! I have had to make a full 360 change of direction in my own head to deal with season2....now I am looking forward to tomorrow's episode and hoping against all hope that I will feel a little magic once again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 20:18:48 GMT -5
The director's commentary on the Smallville DVDs said it several times: her ability to connect (chemistry) was "magic" and "can't be taught in acting schools". And she was only 18 when that pilot was made! The producers there (Millar and Gough) didn't have a clue what they had. That chemistry was the emotional heart of the show. It was a Romeo and Juliet tale like no other. The producers / writers of BATB may be no better. At this point (2.13) I consider that they likely have committed series-suicide. The chemistry is completely gone from Season Two. Strange, considering how many producer/writer/director names are familiar to Smallville fans. I think they knew right away what they had, but I don't think they knew how to utilize her.....long term. The Clark/Lana chemistry did end up being an emotional core of the show, but I don't think they planned for that to happen. This became a confusing aspect of SV and why so many viewers became polarized regarding the Clark/Lana dynamic. In Millar and Goughs defense, I don't know if any producers would have done any better with the situation they found themselves in. The chemistry parallels to BATB are very similar. I'd mentioned in another thread regarding there being "too much chemistry" and it becoming a distraction to the overall narrative. The BATB producers have found themselves in a similar situation to SV where the direction of the show did not end up going in the direction they planned. It's quite an interesting situation. To answer the original thread question.....I'm watching the current episode. I haven't viewed any of the BATB episodes more than once. Call me weird.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 16, 2014 1:33:25 GMT -5
The director's commentary on the Smallville DVDs said it several times: her ability to connect (chemistry) was "magic" and "can't be taught in acting schools". And she was only 18 when that pilot was made! The producers there (Millar and Gough) didn't have a clue what they had. That chemistry was the emotional heart of the show. It was a Romeo and Juliet tale like no other. The producers / writers of BATB may be no better. At this point (2.13) I consider that they likely have committed series-suicide. The chemistry is completely gone from Season Two. Strange, considering how many producer/writer/director names are familiar to Smallville fans. I think they knew right away what they had, but I don't think they knew how to utilize her.....long term. The Clark/Lana chemistry did end up being an emotional core of the show, but I don't think they planned for that to happen. This became a confusing aspect of SV and why so many viewers became polarized regarding the Clark/Lana dynamic. In Millar and Goughs defense, I don't know if any producers would have done any better with the situation they found themselves in. The chemistry parallels to BATB are very similar. I'd mentioned in another thread regarding there being "too much chemistry" and it becoming a distraction to the overall narrative. The BATB producers have found themselves in a similar situation to SV where the direction of the show did not end up going in the direction they planned.It's quite an interesting situation. To answer the original thread question.....I'm watching the current episode. I haven't viewed any of the BATB episodes more than once. Call me weird. regarding that in bold, do u mean that the focus was taken away from other elements of the show because the on screen chemistry was so intense and is what made the show special? and then once it happened they did not know where to take it? lol sorry if i completely misread what u say.
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Post by Bill the beast on Feb 16, 2014 15:53:52 GMT -5
I understand what you were saying in the other thread dvy123. I can't tell you how much time I've spent thinking about your comment in the past day or so. (God I love this blog! You guys give me so much!)
I don't take anything away from Gough and Millar. The initial premises of the show are brilliant and they explored every angle as long as they were with the show. I based my comment on Gough's commentary about the Lana / Clark relationship that was sort of frivolous and disdainful. It cut me to the quick at the time because Lana is a real person to me. I've had longer to think about it now and I see how the producers were trapped by those initial premises, and what KK added to the role.
Clark is an adopted alien growing up among earth children and his strongest desire is to fit in and have a relationship with Lana, whom he worships from afar. But he has been schooled from childhood by Jonathan to be hidden, secretive, withdrawn. Lana wants nothing more than an open, honest relationship with a man she admires. Given these premises, their story has to be Romeo and Juliet, and the life of Superman is a tragedy.
This is present in the Pilot and Gough and Millar knew it. They may have felt some obligation to DC Comics to lead the story into the life of Superman / Lois Lane. What they probably did not anticipate was the "magic" KK could create with her character, such that, to many, it actually became Lana's Story.
Given that, the logic leads to "The Tragedy Of Lana Lang".
During the earlier seasons Lana was more my heroine than Clark was a hero. She unfailingly insists on honesty while he goes from being secretive to lying to her face - not a heroic action. Later he gets better and she gets worse. (I'm only up to Season Seven so no spoilers please)
But given the premises Clark started out with, I already anticipate viewing the Superman story as a tragedy. His personal happiness has to be sacrificed for him to become Savior to the world. This is appropriate given the symbolism in the Pilot where they hang Clark on the scarecrow's cross and paint an "S" on his chest - a sad reflection of the future he is doomed to live.
If I had been Gough, by Season Five I would have recognized what had happened. I would have said to Hell with DC Comics and saving the world. I would have let Clark give up his immortality (like the Kryptonian Dax-Ur) and find happiness with Lana. I realize this would have pissed off DC Comics, legions of Superman fans and probably ended the series in five seasons rather than ten. I don't care. I'm here on this blog because I'm a romantic.
If I had written Romeo and Juliet, I would have let them fake their deaths and escape Verona to live out their lives in happiness.
Tragedy is more poignant but happiness is in such short supply.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 18:19:00 GMT -5
Well, we definitely don't want to spoil it for you, but if you're in to Season 7 you've essentially seen all they will do with the Lana character. Kristin took off to Thailand to make Streetfighter midway through Season 7 and only returned midway through Season 8 for a couple of episodes to finish her seven season contract. That aspect of closing out the Lana character has been discussed at extreme length years back on the Krypton site (and other) forums. We probably won't add much here. Best to watch for yourself and form your own opinion. We're getting off topic for this thread. Probably should set aside the Smallville commentary and get back to BATB-related discussion before the mods kick our butts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 18:36:53 GMT -5
Bill the beast, you are a beautiful soul! I just want to give you a big hug! I have always wished that R and J had escaped to Verona as well, a much better ending, indeed. Tears of joy are so much sweeter. Yes, the mods will soon be slapping our hands...perhaps someone will just move all this to the KK thread.
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Feb 16, 2014 18:53:45 GMT -5
What they probably did not anticipate was the "magic" KK could create with her character, such that, to many, it actually became Lana's Story. If I had been Gough, by Season Five I would have recognized what had happened. I would have said to Hell with DC Comics and saving the world. I would have let Clark give up his immortality (like the Kryptonian Dax-Ur) and find happiness with Lana. I realize this would have pissed off DC Comics, legions of Superman fans and probably ended the series in five seasons rather than ten. I don't care. I'm here on this blog because I'm a romantic. If I had written Romeo and Juliet, I would have let them fake their deaths and escape Verona to live out their lives in happiness. Tragedy is more poignant but happiness is in such short supply. I think I like you. Please don't stop being a romantic. I just opened a Smallville Thread so you can talk as much as you want about the show. This way you won't be getting off topic and you'll be free to discuss it . It's on Other TV shows. saveeachotherbatb.com/thread/595/smallville
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Post by Bill the beast on Feb 16, 2014 19:23:31 GMT -5
Thanks for putting up with me you guys. (I accept all virtual hugs!) I'll not mention Smallville again except in the newly designated place. In my bizarre space the two series are running concurrently. I compare the similar conflicts. I compare KK's acting at 20 and at 30, etc.
But not here. Thanks for the new thread.
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Post by Catherine Chandler on Feb 16, 2014 19:35:53 GMT -5
Thanks for putting up with me you guys. (I accept all virtual hugs!) I'll not mention Smallville again except in the newly designated place. In my bizarre space the two series are running concurrently. I compare the similar conflicts. I compare KK's acting at 20 and at 30, etc. But not here. Thanks for the new thread. You can mention KK's performance in Smallville in the Kristin Kreuk thread. We do it all the time So you can compare her acting in both shows in the Kristin Kreuk thread or in the SV thread. Don't worry, you haven't done anything bad. It's just that this section is for the BATB episodes and I totally get why you want to discuss SV if you are watching it right now. That's why I opened the thread so people can feel free to talk about it
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Post by Rysa on Feb 16, 2014 20:13:29 GMT -5
I don't see any episodes, expect from new episode every week. I don't have the willing to do now. Maybe if I miss my fav. couple (JR & KK) I will.
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Post by pippin on Feb 17, 2014 13:42:07 GMT -5
The only reason I'm watching this show is that Season One showed up on NetFlix and I watched it because of KK. Then I watched it straight through about a dozen times. Then I also started watching Smallville straight through (I'm up to Season 7) at the same time. Others here have nailed it: the answer is chemistry. It is something KK can do. And that's not to take anything away from the male actors with her. They were wonderful. But she can express feelings with those incredible eyes in a way to rip the heart right out of your chest. The director's commentary on the Smallville DVDs said it several times: her ability to connect (chemistry) was "magic" and "can't be taught in acting schools". And she was only 18 when that pilot was made! The producers there (Millar and Gough) didn't have a clue what they had. That chemistry was the emotional heart of the show. It was a Romeo and Juliet tale like no other. The producers / writers of BATB may be no better. At this point (2.13) I consider that they likely have committed series-suicide. The chemistry is completely gone from Season Two. Strange, considering how many producer/writer/director names are familiar to Smallville fans. To answer the original question, I'm really fond of the Pilot (1.1). I've watched it many dozens of times. (I even contributed the plot synopsis entry to IMDb) Everything about the chemistry is right there: he is drawn to her (although he feels unworthy) since the night he saved her ten years before; she is drawn to him (although she feels unworthy) because she admires him: his human side is dominant; despite his desperate need to hide he goes out to save people. Clearly, their love can "save each other". In other words they are meant to be together despite the powerful forces ripping them apart. A Romeo and Juliet tale like no other. Had you seen Kristin in something prior to watching BatB on Netflix or did you just check out the show and kept watching because of KK?
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Post by meljam on Feb 17, 2014 13:47:33 GMT -5
I'm rewatching again as well. I'm on S2E4. This is a really rough season but I feel like I have the biggest issues with Catherine.
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