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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 5, 2014 2:11:12 GMT -5
Being a total VinCat shipper I find it difficult to decide the following I see/ feel /felt absolutely no chemistry between Vincent and Tori and none between Cat and Gabe Is it because there is none or is it being deliberately played/acted that way? Are the actors failing to deliver or is it with deliberate intent Totally deliberate. The lack of chemistry was played to make the audience see that, no matter how right the person Catherine or Vincent are with, they're not the right person. Which makes me even more confused as to why this storyline was even introduced in first place. lack of creativity?
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Feb 5, 2014 3:16:40 GMT -5
Im not sure we're done with the Tori character yet. I think its important that we never saw being brought to the hospital, we just got that quick cut of an ambulance. I think the actress was also listed in the cast section and not as a guest star - not sure if that means anything. I do think that she is no longer a barrier to Vincat, which is probably the most important reason to show her "death". If we do have a s3, I think its possible she may reappear.
I think the fact that she may have been born a beast, using her blood in the serum JT was making will have unforeseeable consequences.
I know on other s/s threads people have mentioned the possibility of a v/t baby. If the writers ever read this thread, I beg them please do not go there!! In every show that has decided to create a baby from a brief affair and often antagonistic pairing to the overall theme of the show has never come out good. Certain shows that come to mind off the top of my head are revenge & nikita. Unnecessary plot sludge, it slows the whole plot line down because now we need to sporadically show this child that has no direct impact on moving the show along. Plus its expensive to cast babies, just to show some carriage/nursery scenes. Just because V/T most likely were intimate does not automatically mean she may be pregnant, that seems a little over dramatic. Plus we already did almost baby in S1. If the writers really do want to reboot, they need to think of more original plots, not just rewriting of scenes we already experienced.
Also, I believe the actors are choosing to tone down any chemistry they may have as a deliberate acting choice. I also think some of the lines they have to say make it hard for them to even attempt non awkwardness. They fumble in the scenes, because the writing is poor at times.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 5, 2014 3:30:20 GMT -5
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Post by raniamahd on Feb 5, 2014 3:42:21 GMT -5
Im not sure we're done with the Tori character yet. I think its important that we never saw being brought to the hospital, we just got that quick cut of an ambulance. I think the actress was also listed in the cast section and not as a guest star - not sure if that means anything. I do think that she is no longer a barrier to Vincat, which is probably the most important reason to show her "death". If we do have a s3, I think its possible she may reappear. sorry but i disagree ! first V used to be a doctor so he should know if she is dead or not ! after Cat saved him and killed the bad guy , Tori's face and lips were blue , V turned to Tori took her hand check her pulse then let it when he realized she is lifeless , no doctor can make that mistake ?! and why bother to bring her back while they always can have a new cheep plot device ? Alex didn't return either , right ? and as for unwanted baby from an affair ? that would be official silly soap oprah ! any way , we are sure there is no room for T's return in the rest of this season , as for s3 ? well , to early to worry about it !
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Post by kiki09 on Feb 5, 2014 5:21:40 GMT -5
I think the biggest problem presented in S2 is that Vincent isn't trustworthy. Sorry, I know it might look like I'm bashing him, but I don't know another way to put it. So, please, don't be offended. But all that I can understand from the story so far, and that includes things that happened in S1, is that Catherine can't rely on him when she really needs it, when the matter at hand is big enough to break them apart. Last season, there was all the not really solved Alex drama. After that, Vincent still was constantly trying to pull away from the relationship every time something happened that could expose Catherine. I know it's noble, but it's also very unsettling. It makes seem like he's ready to pack and leave at any minute. This season, his missions always came first. Here he had the excuse of memory loss so it can be overlooked, but it's still in the pattern. Then, he pulled away when Reynolds told him to. After that, he wasted no time on replacing Catherine for the next warm body without even the excuse he had of a lost love like Alex. The worst of all was that he didn't even like Tori as a person. It makes look like everything is fair game to him. So, how can Catherine ever think about trusting him again? How can she be sure that he won't follow the next she-beast and her “primal attraction” without looking back again? Most importantly, how can the writers make me believe that? no i think u are right in many of the things u are saying he definitely needs to prove himself to both us and catherine i think episode 12 was a step in the right direction but we need to see him "man up" more and be confident about what he really wants and fight for it. regarding reynolds and the tori arc i would say he was in a state (we know why, so wont repeat here) so I can forgive him for that provided he can show me how he has learned from his mistakes...i also want to see him being more assertive about his love and the fact that he will be by catherine's side no matter what and leave aside his insecurities and not worthy arguments that also made him unreliable in season 1 That's the weird 'unreliable'. But otherwise I agree with both of you.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 5, 2014 6:12:31 GMT -5
no i think u are right in many of the things u are saying he definitely needs to prove himself to both us and catherine i think episode 12 was a step in the right direction but we need to see him "man up" more and be confident about what he really wants and fight for it. regarding reynolds and the tori arc i would say he was in a state (we know why, so wont repeat here) so I can forgive him for that provided he can show me how he has learned from his mistakes...i also want to see him being more assertive about his love and the fact that he will be by catherine's side no matter what and leave aside his insecurities and not worthy arguments that also made him unreliable in season 1 T hat's the weird 'unreliable'. But otherwise I agree with both of you. ?? eh? btw if u are not sure about the word unreliable, neither am i. wrong choice of word, but struggling to find the right one!
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Post by kiki09 on Feb 5, 2014 8:54:31 GMT -5
T hat's the weird 'unreliable'. But otherwise I agree with both of you. ?? eh? btw if u are not sure about the word unreliable, neither am i. wrong choice of word, but struggling to find the right one! Lol, no the original word was 'untrustworthy' and I said that I don't think that's the right word. So I think unreliable (in certain respects but not in everything) is the right word. I was typing on my phone and it auto-corrected 'right' to be 'weird'. Sorry bout that.
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Post by Jubilant Judi on Feb 5, 2014 20:52:34 GMT -5
I still don't get why NO member of Vincent's family is in contact with him - especially his nephew - his face has been everywhere - and how is he going to support himself now that he isn't being paid by the FBI - Agent Reynolds - and does he get to keep the houseboat - doesn't it belong to the FBI or does Agent Reynolds own it - he is rich from muirfield money - it might hold memories he would rather forget -
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Post by wanderer on Feb 5, 2014 23:33:24 GMT -5
I still don't get why NO member of Vincent's family is in contact with him - especially his nephew - his face has been everywhere - and how is he going to support himself now that he isn't being paid by the FBI - Agent Reynolds - and does he get to keep the houseboat - doesn't it belong to the FBI or does Agent Reynolds own it - he is rich from muirfield money - it might hold memories he would rather forget - You are thinking way too deeply lol! You didn't get the memo from the writers that to live in the BATB world you have to suspend all logic and rational thought?
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Post by Jubilant Judi on Feb 6, 2014 0:56:53 GMT -5
I still don't get why NO member of Vincent's family is in contact with him - especially his nephew - his face has been everywhere - and how is he going to support himself now that he isn't being paid by the FBI - Agent Reynolds - and does he get to keep the houseboat - doesn't it belong to the FBI or does Agent Reynolds own it - he is rich from muirfield money - it might hold memories he would rather forget - You are thinking way too deeply lol! You didn't get the memo from the writers that to live in the BATB world you have to suspend all logic and rational thought? I can only suspend so much
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Feb 6, 2014 3:25:43 GMT -5
I still don't get why NO member of Vincent's family is in contact with him - especially his nephew - his face has been everywhere - and how is he going to support himself now that he isn't being paid by the FBI - Agent Reynolds - and does he get to keep the houseboat - doesn't it belong to the FBI or does Agent Reynolds own it - he is rich from muirfield money - it might hold memories he would rather forget - It is weird, considering they introduced us to his nephew earlier this season. You think someone would get in touch with him, even if it is not a true relative. You know those slightly off people that claim to be connected to a person just for the fame/$$. Someone must watch the news & read the papers in the Keller family. But I think I remember in previous episodes in S1&2, that his brothers & his parents were dead. The brothers in the towers, the father soon after vincent went to war & was declared dead/MIA, I think they said it might have been of a broken heart?. I believe the mother might have been before the towers (but they dont mention her much at all from my memory). I think it was mentioned in the S1 episode that had V returning to the neighborhood when they were trying to investigate who killed the painter and stumbled upon a high end brothel set in a gallery. Sorry forgot the title.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 7:52:28 GMT -5
I remember reading somewhere that Vincent will have a line 'Put it in and out' or something like that. Any help someone?
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 6, 2014 7:57:40 GMT -5
I remember reading somewhere that Vincent will have a line 'Put it in and out' or something like that. Any help someone? what? lol where did u hear that? is i t vincent saying that or catherine? lol sorry
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 7:59:26 GMT -5
I remember reading somewhere that Vincent will have a line 'Put it in and out' or something like that. Any help someone? what? lol where did u hear that? is i t vincent saying that or catherine? lol sorry LOL!! I swear I didn't dream that! I can't remember where I read it. I think on twitter maybe?
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Feb 6, 2014 8:00:44 GMT -5
what? lol where did u hear that? is i t vincent saying that or catherine? lol sorry LOL!! I swear I didn't dream that! I can't remember where I read it. I think on twitter maybe? lol i am really curious now waht that refers to!
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