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Post by lucianebrasil on Feb 28, 2014 21:12:15 GMT -5
I do not understand everything you wrote because my ingl ~ es is bad and I am Brazilian, but I agree with you ~ and no need for cat and gable, and querm love leaves no leaping from branch to branch, neither she nor he should have been really involved with other people, they could have just left the jealousy, the scenes that 'could' happen something, but that did not happen! Let their love was always stronger!
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Mar 1, 2014 0:56:03 GMT -5
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Mar 1, 2014 0:57:52 GMT -5
So I watched the clips in reverse, thus I was not surprised by Cat's reaction to V. Even my reaction was a little similar when I saw V violently react to Sam. I will say that Sam was goading him pretty bad and frankly hitting a nerve with me, so I completely understand V getting angry. I think per usual, it was just a bad timing scenario where C&G walking in just a little too late... But Im sure Cat will defend him. I love that JT was trying to defend him. Cat should learn a little something from JT about true loyalty in that scenario. From Cat's reaction though, I think she is still dealing w/ a lot of inner turmoil re: V. Its clear that at this point in the episode, C&G are most likely still a couple. Which is getting to be so freaking annoying!! I get that she wanted to try a different type of relationship, but cmon writers there are only so many episodes left. People have said that Tori's arc was cut short, although I think her entire purpose now might have been just to have her blood around to make the serum, so maybe it wasnt cut? Who knows, frankly I dont really care at this point how long her arc was supposed to be or not. She served her purpose. We have moved on, although it was nice to see V feel a little emotion/anger/guilt around Tori's name. As much as that triangle bothered me, it was sad to see someone die so young & tragically. Trust me, I wanted her gone, but I would have preferred her just leaving the whole martyr thing was unnecessary. So now it is Gabe's turn to leave and complete his arc. Why is he still there and involved in beast things? I thought he got a new job... or maybe the whole fake dead thing made him unemployed again?? The whole entire time he was been obnoxious about having "to fix up this mess", we dont "have a case" I was shouting at my screen --- MAYBE you should have stayed dead and worked on building that case as oppose to running out trying to be a hero like he did last week and nearly got himself killed?! At least when Tori did something dumb like that it was to try saving JT, even if her intentions may have been selfish, she was trying to do a good deed, not just be the one who solves/saves the day. Gabe you are a trained lawyer, not a cop or beast or tracker. If he had never left his apt last week, Cat would have never killed Jacob and Sam would have never been able to make a new beast who will most likely be killed this week. Do your job, use your skill set. There are more than 1 way to be a hero. You wouldnt have to "bluff" having a case if you had just built the case in the first place. It was fine for them to use V last week to track & capture Sam, but now all of the sudden they care about building a case?? Really??? Just resolve your personal issues now and move on is what I want to shout to all of them. My frustration with the pace of this show was triggered by these clips. I love that we got 2 of them, but I almost wish I had not seen them, as I am more angry right now than if I had never seen them. Like so many of u have said, I just want to be happy watching the show. It's been how many episodes of having to digest some of these plot devices??? The writers & TPTB need to give us at least a few morsels to nibble on esp since there are less than 120min before the hiatus (so depressing to think about ) Please I hope this episode is better than these clips. I also hope we finally get Vincat back, please! At least hint at why Gabe is still around, because it has to be something more than just the Gaberine relationship... Also, I totally agree with SoOVERItSpydancer's point about triangles. These 2 triangles this season have been horrible. Most fans didnt want them. They dont excite people to keep watching and most of us just keep wishing for them to end. 3 major signs of failure. A good love triangle can make a show exciting to watch. I will admit, they can become ridiculous and unrealistic at times. A lot of successful and well written shows (I can think of a lot just off the top of my head) that have had good love triangles over the years. I do not think BATB will ever make that list based upon these triangles. But in most successful triangles, there is a feeling that although you may prefer one option over the other u can see how people may root for the opposite. Sometimes, they can even convert you if the chemistry & writing is done well. Unfortunately, BATB has dug itself a pretty large hole, by first not having good triangles to begin with and then relying on then so heavily to push the plot/story. When people start positiviely reminiscing about the poorly designed & frustrating triangles of S1, you know u have a problem.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Mar 1, 2014 1:23:13 GMT -5
Also, I totally agree with SoOVERItSpydancer's point about triangles. These 2 triangles this season have been horrible. Most fans didnt want them. They dont excite people to keep watching and most of us just keep wishing for them to end. 3 major signs of failure. A good love triangle can make a show exciting to watch. I will admit, they can become ridiculous and unrealistic at times. A lot of successful and well written shows (I can think of a lot just off the top of my head) that have had good love triangles over the years. I do not think BATB will ever make that list based upon these triangles. But in most successful triangles, there is a feeling that although you may prefer one option over the other u can see how people may root for the opposite. Sometimes, they can even convert you if the chemistry & writing is done well. Unfortunately, BATB has dug itself a pretty large hole, by first not having good triangles to begin with and then relying on then so heavily to push the plot/story. When people start positiviely reminiscing about the poorly designed & frustrating triangles of S1, you know u have a problem. LOL these triangles were played out badly, it is true. the thing is this is Beauty and the Beast meaning they are meant to be together, meaning u cannot really have a triangle where you root for the other couple. if you do that, then it is not beauty and the beast any more...so it is probably best to not introduce any triangles at all. then again, what's done is done and hopefully Gabe is history very soon...
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Mar 1, 2014 1:50:36 GMT -5
Also, I totally agree with SoOVERItSpydancer's point about triangles. These 2 triangles this season have been horrible. Most fans didnt want them. They dont excite people to keep watching and most of us just keep wishing for them to end. 3 major signs of failure. A good love triangle can make a show exciting to watch. I will admit, they can become ridiculous and unrealistic at times. A lot of successful and well written shows (I can think of a lot just off the top of my head) that have had good love triangles over the years. I do not think BATB will ever make that list based upon these triangles. But in most successful triangles, there is a feeling that although you may prefer one option over the other u can see how people may root for the opposite. Sometimes, they can even convert you if the chemistry & writing is done well. Unfortunately, BATB has dug itself a pretty large hole, by first not having good triangles to begin with and then relying on then so heavily to push the plot/story. When people start positiviely reminiscing about the poorly designed & frustrating triangles of S1, you know u have a problem. LOL these triangles were played out badly, it is true. the thing is this is Beauty and the Beast meaning they are meant to be together, meaning u cannot really have a triangle where you root for the other couple. if you do that, then it is not beauty and the beast any more...so it is probably best to not introduce any triangles at all. then again, what's done is done and hopefully Gabe is history very soon... Yea it kinda defeats a lot of the purpose of the original premise of the the show. Triangles were not a good angle for them to attempt with the main characters... Its like trying to play a game with the wrong equipment, it's just not effective.
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Post by vickyd on Mar 1, 2014 3:51:50 GMT -5
Sometimes it is the way they depict the triangles on screen that matters. The Tori arc was wrongly shown for starters. They saw our reactions and decided to edit out all Beast kisses and evidence that they were together. Why? So they can leave us to assume? This is story-telling, I know, it is fiction, not everything is done the way we deeply want. Now I get why Tori and Vincent had to live together, they were supposed to be a couple walking around in events with her wearing the necklace. I understand that she influenced his thoughts and reactions when she came close to him. For the love of God, show that! Give us a 10-second scene when they argue and she gets closer, touches him and then he surrenders. What was their utmost fear? Not to show that he was weak around her? We knew that! Don't let people assume. Gabe? I can only justify them pairing him with Catherine if that serves another arc and twist with him turning into a vengeful beast. Period! If not,
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Post by MyBatB on Mar 1, 2014 5:19:52 GMT -5
Wow, that was awkward. Looks like Sam tried to bait Vincent........Vincent somehow gets Sam into the cell by using his Beast skills,.......Vincent doesn't hurt Sam, but he calls Gabe/Cat. JT is helping Vincent. Gabe and Cat scold Vincent for not calling them first and hence, he complicates their ability to get evidence against Sam? JT takes up for Vincent ..........poor Vincent,.........he IS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING! The looks between Vincent and Cat...........very sad. Cat knows Vincent is trying so hard to be human.............but she is being Gabe's sheep! WHO IS THIS WOMAN?? She is keeping her mouth shut because she doesn't want to seem bias about Vincent in order to NOT HURT GABE'S FEELINGS?? Or "hurt" their "relationship"?? This is just so ridiculous.............the writers have made Cat some kind of weak puppet in the Gabe/Cat relationship. OUTRAGEOUS!! I HATE THIS SO VERY MUCH!! cat did not accuse vincent i dont think and was clearly uncomfortable about what gabe was saying but COME ON, u need to speak up now! what if Gabe is still your "boyfriend"! say something!!! he has no right to speak to vincent like that You're absolutely right ! And poor Vincent glances at Catherine in a way which shows his incomprehension and dispair...Still he agrees with Gabe wants to do.... But you know, maybe she is so moved by Vincent's new behaviour that she can't react.... until she "ll do it and then, we could have a beautiful scene... : Vincent so happy and relieved ! He's very unhappy in this one, it's very sad.
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Post by MyBatB on Mar 1, 2014 5:31:08 GMT -5
my thoughts... I have the same strange feeling! It's the way they are looking at each other and the guilt on her face...yes I wish she would put Gabe in his place, but this is just a clip. Who know what's gonna happen in the rest of the ep. You raise an interesting speculation ! Can't wait to watch the ep !
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Mar 1, 2014 5:35:00 GMT -5
Sometimes it is the way they depict the triangles on screen that matters. The Tori arc was wrongly shown for starters. They saw our reactions and decided to edit out all Beast kisses and evidence that they were together. Why? So they can leave us to assume? This is story-telling, I know, it is fiction, not everything is done the way we deeply want. Now I get why Tori and Vincent had to live together, they were supposed to be a couple walking around in events with her wearing the necklace. I understand that she influenced his thoughts and reactions when she came close to him. For the love of God, show that! Give us a 10-second scene when they argue and she gets closer, touches him and then he surrenders. What was their utmost fear? Not to show that he was weak around her? We knew that! Don't let people assume. Gabe? I can only justify them pairing him with Catherine if that serves another arc and twist with him turning into a vengeful beast. Period! If not, View Attachmentexactly! that is what i have been saying as well, but the more times goes by and the more i see them all working together even in 17 the less likely it becomes
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Mar 1, 2014 7:37:05 GMT -5
Also, I totally agree with SoOVERItSpydancer's point about triangles. These 2 triangles this season have been horrible. Most fans didnt want them. They dont excite people to keep watching and most of us just keep wishing for them to end. 3 major signs of failure. A good love triangle can make a show exciting to watch. I will admit, they can become ridiculous and unrealistic at times. A lot of successful and well written shows (I can think of a lot just off the top of my head) that have had good love triangles over the years. I do not think BATB will ever make that list based upon these triangles. But in most successful triangles, there is a feeling that although you may prefer one option over the other u can see how people may root for the opposite. Sometimes, they can even convert you if the chemistry & writing is done well. Unfortunately, BATB has dug itself a pretty large hole, by first not having good triangles to begin with and then relying on then so heavily to push the plot/story. When people start positiviely reminiscing about the poorly designed & frustrating triangles of S1, you know u have a problem. Exactly my point. Thank you =) Can't stand watching it = not well done at all. Hate the idea of rewatching most of S2? Epic fail in my book. I loved rewatching scenes from S1 but all these pointless, frustrating, cringeworthy love/sex-triangles has absolutely ruined anything that could have been construed as good about the last 8-9 episodes - but especially their time apart. Instead of seeing a vehicle for character/relationship growth, this break-up has felt more like a vehicle for B.Kern and company to push their own ridiculous agendas, like Tori and Gabe. Hated every single moment of it. Didn't find it the least bit interesting, intriguing, pointed, or well done. They tried to sell us on the idea of character growth and discovery, but then pushed their own agenda with the love triangles. The devil in disguise is still the devil in disguise no matter how they sell it to us, and they will never convince me otherwise. They will never convince me that pointless love triangles and sleeping around is somehow a vehicle for "character growth" and "building a stronger relationship"... it is character building to politely decline that opportunity to jump into bed with the nearest warm body, and doesn't undermine the "epic love" aspect of the show. And it irritates the crap out of me that amidst the VinCat reunion, which we know looms in the near future, is Gabe and Gabe/Catherine cringeworthyness eating up screen time. Not a good plan creative team. Nobody wants to see that. No chemistry = complete waste of our time. Anyway, I could go on about this all day. Also, where the heck is the angst? Jesus. It makes me sick how much time and energy they have wasted on completely cringeworthy story arcs. It's bad TV, plain and simple. I'm a fan of the show, but it's true.
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Post by vincat2013 on Mar 1, 2014 11:00:32 GMT -5
Also, I totally agree with SoOVERItSpydancer's point about triangles. These 2 triangles this season have been horrible. Most fans didnt want them. They dont excite people to keep watching and most of us just keep wishing for them to end. 3 major signs of failure. A good love triangle can make a show exciting to watch. I will admit, they can become ridiculous and unrealistic at times. A lot of successful and well written shows (I can think of a lot just off the top of my head) that have had good love triangles over the years. I do not think BATB will ever make that list based upon these triangles. But in most successful triangles, there is a feeling that although you may prefer one option over the other u can see how people may root for the opposite. Sometimes, they can even convert you if the chemistry & writing is done well. Unfortunately, BATB has dug itself a pretty large hole, by first not having good triangles to begin with and then relying on then so heavily to push the plot/story. When people start positiviely reminiscing about the poorly designed & frustrating triangles of S1, you know u have a problem. Exactly my point. Thank you =) Can't stand watching it = not well done at all. Hate the idea of rewatching most of S2? Epic fail in my book. I loved rewatching scenes from S1 but all these pointless, frustrating, cringeworthy love/sex-triangles has absolutely ruined anything that could have been construed as good about the last 8-9 episodes - but especially their time apart. Instead of seeing a vehicle for character/relationship growth, this break-up has felt more like a vehicle for B.Kern and company to push their own ridiculous agendas, like Tori and Gabe. Hated every single moment of it. Didn't find it the least bit interesting, intriguing, pointed, or well done. They tried to sell us on the idea of character growth and discovery, but then pushed their own agenda with the love triangles. The devil in disguise is still the devil in disguise no matter how they sell it to us, and they will never convince me otherwise. They will never convince me that pointless love triangles and sleeping around is somehow a vehicle for "character growth" and "building a stronger relationship"... it is character building to politely decline that opportunity to jump into bed with the nearest warm body, and doesn't undermine the "epic love" aspect of the show. And it irritates the crap out of me that amidst the VinCat reunion, which we know looms in the near future, is Gabe and Gabe/Catherine cringeworthyness eating up screen time. Not a good plan creative team. Nobody wants to see that. No chemistry = complete waste of our time. Anyway, I could go on about this all day. Also, where the heck is the angst? Jesus. It makes me sick how much time and energy they have wasted on completely cringeworthy story arcs. It's bad TV, plain and simple. I'm a fan of the show, but it's true.
Omg, I agree With everything you just said and then some. The Gabe and Tori arcs have been a travesty from the start. Nobody wants to see them and yet they have been constantly shoved down our throats!! Gabe in particular has been an annoyance from the start. They finally got rid of Tori now it is the Saint Gabe's turn. Not that I have anything against the actor because I do happen to like him, but the character he plays has worn out his welcome.
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Mar 1, 2014 12:43:44 GMT -5
Sometimes it is the way they depict the triangles on screen that matters. The Tori arc was wrongly shown for starters. They saw our reactions and decided to edit out all Beast kisses and evidence that they were together. Why? So they can leave us to assume? This is story-telling, I know, it is fiction, not everything is done the way we deeply want. Now I get why Tori and Vincent had to live together, they were supposed to be a couple walking around in events with her wearing the necklace. I understand that she influenced his thoughts and reactions when she came close to him. For the love of God, show that! Give us a 10-second scene when they argue and she gets closer, touches him and then he surrenders. What was their utmost fear? Not to show that he was weak around her? We knew that! Don't let people assume. Gabe? I can only justify them pairing him with Catherine if that serves another arc and twist with him turning into a vengeful beast. Period! If not, View Attachmentexactly! that is what i have been saying as well, but the more times goes by and the more i see them all working together even in 17 the less likely it becomes The more time that goes by, the more convinced I am that Gabe's "choir boy" transformation is just proof positive that Vincent can similarly change. The fact that they have been hitting us over the head with the Gabe likes Catherine anvil since the beginning of the season just goes to show how little imagination anyone has about forming a real bond between them. The best chemistry should be seen and not heard of over and over and over and over again... But I digress. If Gabe is to be a baddie, again, I feel certain that will be forged of the the "losing Catherine" arc. Excuse me while I go take another nap. I can't find any originality in there anywhere, no thanks to the creative team. Are we supposed to feel sorry for Gabe? Really? I mean come on already, we didn't buy the Gabe/Catherine love triangle thing to begin with. Please. Someone in that writers room must be smoking weed if they think we buy into this crap. Sorry, but it's true. Maybe we are to see a repeating cycle of beasts and former beasts losing themselves to their bad side every time the beauty dumps them... *yawn*
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Mar 1, 2014 12:56:51 GMT -5
exactly! that is what i have been saying as well, but the more times goes by and the more i see them all working together even in 17 the less likely it becomes The more time that goes by, the more convinced I am that Gabe's "choir boy" transformation is just proof positive that Vincent can similarly change. The fact that they have been hitting us over the head with the Gabe likes Catherine anvil since the beginning of the season just goes to show how little imagination anyone has about forming a real bond between them. The best chemistry should be seen and not heard of over and over and over and over again... But I digress. If Gabe is to be a baddie, again, I feel certain that will be forged of the the "losing Catherine" arc. Excuse me while I go take another nap. I can't find any originality in there anywhere, no thanks to the creative team. Are we supposed to feel sorry for Gabe? Really? I mean come on already, we didn't buy the Gabe/Catherine love triangle thing to begin with. Please. Someone in that writers room must be smoking weed if they think we buy into this crap. Sorry, but it's true. Maybe we are to see a repeating cycle of beasts and former beasts losing themselves to their bad side every time the beauty dumps them... *yawn* i was hoping for a different storyline, one where gabe was scheming from the start rather than after he was dumped, that is what i was referring to
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 13:02:11 GMT -5
The more time that goes by, the more convinced I am that Gabe's "choir boy" transformation is just proof positive that Vincent can similarly change. The fact that they have been hitting us over the head with the Gabe likes Catherine anvil since the beginning of the season just goes to show how little imagination anyone has about forming a real bond between them. The best chemistry should be seen and not heard of over and over and over and over again... But I digress. If Gabe is to be a baddie, again, I feel certain that will be forged of the the "losing Catherine" arc. Excuse me while I go take another nap. I can't find any originality in there anywhere, no thanks to the creative team. Are we supposed to feel sorry for Gabe? Really? I mean come on already, we didn't buy the Gabe/Catherine love triangle thing to begin with. Please. Someone in that writers room must be smoking weed if they think we buy into this crap. Sorry, but it's true. Maybe we are to see a repeating cycle of beasts and former beasts losing themselves to their bad side every time the beauty dumps them... *yawn* i was hoping for a different storyline, one where gabe was scheming from the start rather than after he was dumped, that is what i was referring to Me, too. Counting on the old saying "If it looks too good to be true, it IS too good to be true". Pretty boy in a nutshell.
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Post by eyeofthetiger on Mar 1, 2014 13:20:47 GMT -5
i was hoping for a different storyline, one where gabe was scheming from the start rather than after he was dumped, that is what i was referring to Me, too. Counting on the old saying "If it looks too good to be true, it IS too good to be true". Pretty boy in a nutshell. I will take either. But I have a bad feeling that we will not know for a few more episodes, at least until after the hiatus. I also have a feeling that the reveal maybe connected to if BATB gets renewed or not. If we get a S3, I think we will have the return of evil Gabe . If that fates decide against us and this is the final season then I think St. Gabe is here to stay .
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