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Post by Jubilant Judi on Jan 19, 2014 16:18:58 GMT -5
you know how they say you should evaluate a man on how he treats his mother - enough said - talking about Gabe here
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jan 19, 2014 16:22:57 GMT -5
LOL I take the punches..it's a TV show..it has drama..I know there's bound to be drama in the story and it doesn't surprise me that they are using Gabe as her 'Mr.Right' cause after the Alex fiasco and his choice for Catherine after Alex couldn't accept him for who and what he was NOTHING surprises me anymore..Oh WAIT ONE THING DID..THE SHOVE he gave her in Kidnapped
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Post by raniamahd on Jan 19, 2014 16:28:23 GMT -5
So, I gather that I shouldn't read this Brad Kern Interview??? I don't want to lose my "Hopeful Beastie" name this week? I honestly, don't understand what they are going for..........especially, now that the season is so teetering. unfortunately i think you may have to change your name ! you know some thing ,i know vincat is the end game as Mr. Kern kindly said they will be so generous to the fan and go with that just because the show called ( beauty and the beast ) but how after a relation between C/G and/or a relation between V/T ,how i can convince myself the what V/C have is epic love or love at all ?! the epic love and the true love can't be replaced that easily or that fast with others ?! at lest that how i understand the words ( romance and epic love) and that is how i love to see them on a TV show to take a break from real world ! but no even that i find some one like Mr. Kern to ruin it for me that isn't fair my be i will go search for a nice romantic Mexican telenovela to watch instead !
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Post by bbat on Jan 19, 2014 16:35:29 GMT -5
I think that the blame on this goes to many social media venues..Take it that the show runners are basically taking into consideration only the fans that are in those venues..Facebook and Twitter being the main ones and what do you see there? Fans saying they love the season and they will wait and see how the producers bring VinCat back...my opinion they need to read posts from forums like this to truly read and understand what the fans want..that's my opinion of course Well, I think nowadays they are definitley getting more tweets or reactions of fans that hate this season, lol. But it would have been to late anyway, the season 2 main storyline decisions all were made last May/June, and 6 episodes were already shot before the season 2 premiere even aired. At least they obviously now had to react and change the story, or let’s say speed it up for the rest of the season. The sad thing is, they all, even Brad Kern , had the best intentions. I mean, no one wants to ruin a show purposefully. And I stand by it: The overall idea of the season 2 story arc was a good one! Only badly executed in some parts…
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jan 19, 2014 16:39:35 GMT -5
This article.........*Facepalm*........Brad and Jennifer,..........they are trying to sell a story that seems forced and not "authentic"! "We're trying to build a better mouse trap in Cat and Vincent's relationship and it's all part of the journey.".....Brad Kern. "A better mouse trap".........that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read about the main Love interests. It sounds like they are two animals going through some obstacle course,.....jumping hoops, running through tunnels, leaping over hurdles? It is a really poor analogy if that is how he sees things. You can separate these two people but you can't lose the connection. If you make it sound like the only reason Gabe and Cat should be together is because he is "nice" ( at the moment ) that your mother would love, and that he is rich, and charming..........or that Vincent and Tori have shared Beast qualities and ONLY THEY CAN TRULY understand each other.............then, Hey,.......let's just have them do the deed and be done with it. Close door and turn off the lights. They are the ones being "negative",........where is the "Hope"........the "ties that bind".........I don't give a rat's booty about the Mythology......I want to know why Catherine would ever go back to THIS VINCENT......I want to know IF this Vincent even LOVES Catherine........? These are two questions that I honestly can't answer at this point, all has been severed. I am hoping that in this next episode I can SEE and FEEL if the connection between the two is still there. I don't want to see just Jealousy.........I want to see the love. Jealousy DOES NOT EQUAL LOVE, in my book. I need to see a LONGING........A DESIRE.......and part of that is not seeing a pairing off (so soon) of the Lead Love Interests with other people. I will stay "HOPEFUL" at least till after the next episode. Don't disappoint me writers.......
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Post by ·· K å t ·· on Jan 19, 2014 16:43:16 GMT -5
IMO They are trying to make understand us that the Vincat epic love will survive to everything and will overcome anything, also the better and perfect alternative choice for Cat rapresented by Gabe and the perfect and appropriate better half for Vinc that apparentely embraced his beast side rapresented by the she-beast.... You know... I belive that for both of them, that are trying to move on with their life, it would be natural to take a look at this alternatives and don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying that I'm looking for that, not at all... I'm just trying to say that they probably really want to try to move on and for doing that they may want to try the way that apparently would be the perfect one for them. BUT and I'm totally sure about that, I HAVE BLIND FAITH that both of them very soon will realize that that way which apparently are the perfect and logic one for them will not work because they are hold back by their mutual feelings that never gone away and never will, they belong together... don't forget that they are meant to be! I'm pretty sure that they are trying to build the story to show us that no matter what, the true and epic love always win, WE MUST HAVE FAITH
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Post by bookworm on Jan 19, 2014 16:43:27 GMT -5
Ok it is clear that the writers/producers and most fans are not on the same page in this question. Also it looks Mr Kern is not the only person in charge who is 100% sure this is the right path, probable most writers agreed to this course. So it's not fair to blame 1 person for all things we do not like.
As many others have already posted we, fans are divided. We beasties are not on the same page very often! And I say that's fine, there's nothing wrong with that.
What i see in Kern's interview is he is/ they are very confident that these changes were necessary and what they are asking fans to do is have blind faith that everthing is happening for a reason and after a while all pieces of the puzzle are going to fall in place.
And I can understand this - if I were a writer I'd probably say the same. But I am also aware of the effect these things had, have and still having on some fans (including myself) and yes, the communication is really poor and I'm sure some people here could write a 10 page list of the mistakes/problems they encountered with in S1 and especially S2.
But we are in this together! We can only deal with cards we were given and if this is what Beauty and the Beast is at the moment then I'll take what I can.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 19, 2014 16:45:58 GMT -5
you know how they say you should evaluate a man on how he treats his mother - enough said - talking about Gabe here sahahahahah that was hilarious i had completely forgottten about that from season 1 lol!!!!
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Post by wanderer on Jan 19, 2014 16:47:20 GMT -5
Why did Brad Kern take this job, since he obviously HATED season 1? He has changed everything and everyone. The quote, "the perfect guy that every mother would want their daughter to marry" is insulting to the fans. Gabe, really!?? Everything Kern says proves he disrespects not only season one that managed to develop a cult following of us Beasties, but also the fans themselves. WE ARE NOT IN HIGH SCHOOL, BRAD, ARE YOU? He has ruined this show for me. Sorry, but I had to vent! I don't believe Brad Kern "obviously HATED S01". The man is doing the job he is hired to do & is making the changes he was told to do. Since BatB is a Network show, it is the Network that decides what will or won't happen. I realize it's very difficult to hate on a faceless Network but in fairness to everyone connected with BatB, let's put any blame where it deserves to be put.
Also, not everyone "hates" the direction S02 has taken. One just has to read through the introductions in the "New Beastie? " thread. A lot say they saw episodes of S02, loved it, then marathon watched S01.
I disagree. The character changes and inconsistencies from Season 1 are his, and not some CW executive. He is in charge of everything, especially plot and character development. Also, I never said that everyone hates S2. I was referencing my personal opinion as someone that fell in love with BATB last season! That's great that there are a few new people watching the show that like it. My point was that it seems to me that Brad Kern - who makes all of the changes and decisions - basically threw season 1 into the trash and started over.
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Post by Jubilant Judi on Jan 19, 2014 16:52:50 GMT -5
dictionary definition of blind faith is “belief without true understanding, perception, or discrimination - sorry, I grew up a long time ago - life didn't give me a choice - which is why I was drawn to this show - it's a fairy tale - its supposed to have a happily ever after - having difficulty believing in miracles right now
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Post by bookworm on Jan 19, 2014 16:54:12 GMT -5
Brad Kern: The design of this part of the season is for Cat and Vincent to grow as individuals. They came together so fast for kismet, epic reasons, but that's not a long-term relationship. You have to figure out who you are separately which is painful, but also comedic and adventurous. You got the perfect guy right there who's handsome, rich, working hard to make his amends, trying to be protective of her. It's hard for a woman who's been dealing with a beast who's made some really bad choices not to look over at the perfect guy that every mother would want their daughter to marry and give him a second look. It would be inauthentic if we didn't play that. Does that mean that it's at the ultimate expense of Vin and Cat? Well the show is called Beauty and the Beast so we'll end up supporting that. This desciption of Gabe is just a superficial look on his character! It's just the surface!! The truth about Gabe is that he is a beast! The one that tried to kill C and V and JT and a couple of ther people.... They are trying to paint a lovely picture here and want us to believe what we see. Look beyond the description!!!! I think they are just trying to give us some misleading hints again... I'm not bothered... I am like... Whatever, man.....
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Post by Laura on Jan 19, 2014 16:59:06 GMT -5
they are clearly not very smart for releasing this now especially since i do not think anything will happen between gabe and catherine. i dont understand their PR reasoning/thinking...honestly do not. please hire me, i would do a much better job and have no PR background I was really angry with whoever decided that "today" was the day to publish this interview! Right before the airing of a potentially "difficult" episode (for some, of course).
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jan 19, 2014 17:02:52 GMT -5
My ONLY hope that Catherine won't go any farther then a kiss with Gabe is that Sendhil himself tweeted a few weeks back that EVEN though Catherine has changed her look of Gabe....She nor Vincent will forget what he initially tried to do..KILL THEM
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jan 19, 2014 17:05:23 GMT -5
I think it is quite reasonable to put the "blame" on this season on Brad Kern. Sherri and Jennifer are Executive Producers and writers. Mr. Kern was brought in as show runner........he plotted out a story that would span 5 years. Sherri and Jennifer and the Network approved of the direction. The Network does not dictate the story.....they may have issues and express them but other than that they are mostly concerned with the fiscal worth to the network.
For instance.....Smallville, the two EP, Al Gough and Miles Millar, wrote episodes and plotted the Story arcs. They had to get Network and DC Comics approval for some things because the story involved a strict copyright from DC Comics. They wanted to use certain DC characters and sometimes didn't get approval, etc.
Another example.....the twp EP of LOST.....when the show started to lose viewership, they talked with the Network and said that they wanted to wrap up the story in a certain way and that they had a definitive ending they wanted to achieve. They came to a timeline to achieve this and got the Network's approval. This would keep the storyline focused and purposeful.
Brad Kern most definitely had major influence on the way this season 2 storytelling has progressed. Sherri and Jennifer, (who we have heard very little from) either were in agreement with it or let go of the reins to him. So, indeed, unless Mark Pedowitz micromanages every show on the CW, I think the "blame" rests on Mr. Kern.
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Post by Laura on Jan 19, 2014 17:05:56 GMT -5
i think he will pursue it because all the previous episodes are leading to that so if he did not go for it eventually we would all be like so what happened to that what i was hoping is htat she does not reciprocate but we will have to wait and see if Gabe does go there and Catherine rejects him, what would his reaction be, would he still be noble, or will he become vindictive - he is her boss - and he has been covering for her - just wondering - jealously goes both ways That's what I wanna see! Gabe becoming "bad" again. I think he tweeted once that we should wait and see if a leopard can change its spots!
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