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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 7:16:55 GMT -5
Laura my be they should ask for your opinion before they write the episodes i am serious here ! i think they should read what the fans write about their speculations and expectation , that way they will give the fans what they want to watch and in the other hand the fans have really brilliant ideas could work better than their ideas Oh yes. Ive always said that we have far more experienced and intelligent writers than the ones we have on the show. Love our writers!!
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Post by Laura on Jan 6, 2014 7:38:30 GMT -5
I'm actually happy about this! I think Daddy Reynolds is great as the villain in the show. I also like the actor very much (didn't know him before BATB) and his chemistry with KK is so good. His presence/hidden agendas/schemes and conspiracy are what I like to see as the forces which keep VinCat apart; not certain red-heads and/or oh-I-am-cured-not-a-beast-anymore DAs (aka Gabe). But you know, nobody asked my opinion when they were writing the episodes I don't think people are worried with Reynolds coming back because his character doesn't add anything good to the story - unlike some female characters - or because Ted isn't liked as an actor. For what I saw around, I think its consensual that he's a terrific villain. I think the real worry is due to the fact that he said he doesn't know why he came back. It made it sound like a last minute call and that's what scared people.Which is good, right? I mean, considering the last-minute changes to the script(s) as Catherine Ashton confirmed on Twitter, bringing Reynolds back kind of indicates that he's going to be the (only) one placing obstacles in VinCat's way. I hope that having Reynolds back means they're not going to go far with this Gabe/Cat thing.
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Post by Beastly Beauty on Jan 6, 2014 8:32:26 GMT -5
I don't think people are worried with Reynolds coming back because his character doesn't add anything good to the story - unlike some female characters - or because Ted isn't liked as an actor. For what I saw around, I think its consensual that he's a terrific villain. I think the real worry is due to the fact that he said he doesn't know why he came back. It made it sound like a last minute call and that's what scared people. Which is good, right? I mean, considering the last-minute changes to the script(s) as Catherine Ashton confirmed on Twitter, bringing Reynolds back kind of indicates that he's going to be the (only) one placing obstacles in VinCat's way. I hope that having Reynolds back means they're not going to go far with this Gabe/Cat thing.
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Post by raniamahd on Jan 6, 2014 9:36:59 GMT -5
Do i even have to go back to previous pages to know that the spoilers or episode description for these next episodes are all centered on Vincent again? See, i told you! Never trust them to begin with..oh wait what i`m i talking about when obviosly me is the only one who have problem with the show keep focusing more on Vincent and less for Cat I don`t even need to talk about how people seem to think what Cat did (shot a killer from trying to kill his victim) was so horrible but somewhat forgetting(or just easily forgive) that said killer also almost have her killed by crashing her car and caused her to got injured.Nothing is terribly wrong with not agreeing to just kill people so easy nomatter what their crimes were. Her Dad did all that to protect her and let`s be real No sane Father would let his own daughter to date a serial killer beast who often can`t control and lose his temper and be abusive. and i really failed to see the reasons why shouldn`t Cat try to move on and date others when her ex has been behaving so beastlyt like that,on her and on other people too. Only a weak woman would stay. Bottomline, i really dislike how the writers are going with Cat`s character and she`s being downgraded from her strong self in Season 1 to being this love slave for Vincent who really do not deserve it. And when the hell they`re gonna fallout of their Vincent obsession and start to notice other characterts like cat more and give her a real storyline? ?? Let`s admit it Brad Kern and other new male writers only interested at writing for the beast/beast mythology only. This is the Beast show now! Bravo 8Dwell said dear i can not said this better and i can not agree more in my opinion season 2 definitely is written from manly perspective otherwise how they treat V hurting Cat like a simple or normal thing any man can do to his woman ?! and how they make Cat forgive and forget that so easily ?! like it is the normal thing every woman should do ? like it is her duty i am from middle east and i can never be fine with domestic violence against women , so , why should Cat (an American woman should be ?!) and the car crash ? i said it before , he was out for revenge whatever it costs him , even if the price is Cat's life no one can control accidents and she could die in that crash and he still didn't even care to check on her first to at least makes sure she is ok ?! and it is not because he was afraid Bob will take that chance to run away , unlike him Bob cares for Cat that it was the first thing he did after the crash to see if she is fine ! but it is ok for him to do that and it is terrible for Cat who is a cap after all to try to stop him ?!!!! oh yes that is right i forgot ! it is normal and expected when you dating a beast ? you should expect he may loss control and beast out and hurt you ? or worse could cause your dead even if he say he loves you more than any thing in the world ! Tori's father could kill her in a moment of control loss too , right ? and Cat should be ok with that possibility ! you know what ? no it is not ok and she should never be ok with that ! when she loved him and start a relationship with him she believed in him , trust him with her life because she knew she will be always save with him and he could never ever hurt her because his love for her is enough to tame and control his beast ! but now as long as this changes and his love for her is no longer a guarantee for her safety , i can see no reason for her to stay or to have any hope on him ? it is any woman 's right to fear for her life and for her safety , right ? so i really think Cat should never agree to be in the same room with Vincent while she has even 1% doubt in her safety with him ?! it is odd how things changed ? first season the world was much safer place with him in it , now even Cat can not be sure she can be save with him ?! oh God the writers have so much work in V's character to make him worthy again ?! but some how i doubt they will do that ? instead it will be Cat's duty to forgive and forget and accept again ?! and that what they try to make us believe here : ( the man should get away with whatever he do and the woman should accept that !) you know what ? i will stop talking now because what you said was enough and said that so many time that i feel like i am a broken record here !
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jan 6, 2014 10:18:21 GMT -5
Anxiously awaiting any BaTB "news"!! Raniamahd and dan........I do agree with much of what you said. The whole "Vincent wouldn't hurt Catherine" was one of the core tenants of the VinCat relationship. When Vincent pushed Catherine, even though he was remorseful, it left me very unsettled about how strong the VinCat relationship really was. I have been waiting for that feeling of "connection" ......not just return of some memories, but a real soulmate type of connection. There was a glimpse of the old VinCat in the boathouse scene, but when they had "sex" it just left me ......meh. I didn't feel like there was a very palpable "fire"?? So, for the first arc, I tried to see Vincent as a struggling Beast........regaining his humanity..........and I was hanging on, until Tori became a major character. I am waiting to see how "important" Tori is to the Vincent and Catherine "Mythology". I honestly try to think about possibilities but I come up blank. I can't get over the Craptastic Kiss between Vincent and Tori. It just shatters the VinCat soulmate connection. I am trying to put myself in a "open" mindset...........but it will take a MAJOR, GIGANTIC REVERSAL of storyline to restore my Season 1 VinCat feelings!! I am not a fool for "pining" or "puppy-dog" glancing at each other...........I want to see "FIRE" between these two........I want to see these two people FIGHT FOR EACH OTHER.....I want to see these two HEARTS BEAT AS ONE again!! I am hoping upon HOPE, that the writers can show us that again. DAMM-IT...........make me 'swoon' again BaTB,..........Oh Yes, I am setting the Bar pretty darn HIGH!!
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Post by feezya on Jan 6, 2014 10:42:52 GMT -5
I don't think people are worried with Reynolds coming back because his character doesn't add anything good to the story - unlike some female characters - or because Ted isn't liked as an actor. For what I saw around, I think its consensual that he's a terrific villain. I think the real worry is due to the fact that he said he doesn't know why he came back. It made it sound like a last minute call and that's what scared people. Which is good, right? I mean, considering the last-minute changes to the script(s) as Catherine Ashton confirmed on Twitter, bringing Reynolds back kind of indicates that he's going to be the (only) one placing obstacles in VinCat's way. I hope that having Reynolds back means they're not going to go far with this Gabe/Cat thing. Quoting Vincent Chandler's post, i believe with Ted's tweet, and the uncertainties that revolve around this series (news about Batb being cancelled, not knowing exactly when they'll air the rest of the episodes after 10th March, the ratings etc) it seems like more and more facts are pointing to this being the final season; which - does scare me But until there's confirmation in black and white mentioning that, I'm going to enjoy this season until the fat lady sings. After all, look at last year's timeline. A LOT can happen between now and May...
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jan 6, 2014 11:07:44 GMT -5
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 6, 2014 12:00:56 GMT -5
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Post by Savana_ Dying for season3! on Jan 6, 2014 12:17:15 GMT -5
Yes! Thanks for posting! So he replied that he didn't expect to come back!! Obviously big changes from ep 13 onwards... Crossing fingers for ratings to increase instead of trying to close the story!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2014 19:02:37 GMT -5
Do i even have to go back to previous pages to know that the spoilers or episode description for these next episodes are all centered on Vincent again? See, i told you! Never trust them to begin with..oh wait what i`m i talking about when obviosly me is the only one who have problem with the show keep focusing more on Vincent and less for Cat I don`t even need to talk about how people seem to think what Cat did (shot a killer from trying to kill his victim) was so horrible but somewhat forgetting(or just easily forgive) that said killer also almost have her killed by crashing her car and caused her to got injured.Nothing is terribly wrong with not agreeing to just kill people so easy nomatter what their crimes were. Her Dad did all that to protect her and let`s be real No sane Father would let his own daughter to date a serial killer beast who often can`t control and lose his temper and be abusive. and i really failed to see the reasons why shouldn`t Cat try to move on and date others when her ex has been behaving so beastlyt like that,on her and on other people too. Only a weak woman would stay. Bottomline, i really dislike how the writers are going with Cat`s character and she`s being downgraded from her strong self in Season 1 to being this love slave for Vincent who really do not deserve it. And when the hell they`re gonna fallout of their Vincent obsession and start to notice other characterts like cat more and give her a real storyline? ?? Let`s admit it Brad Kern and other new male writers only interested at writing for the beast/beast mythology only. This is the Beast show now! I know how you feel, Dan, because I also think that Cat's character was reduced to a poor damsel in distress that doesn't have any control over her personal life.
I think it's natural that the story revolves around Vincent because the DNA mutation is what triggered the story in 1st place, but I think it could be done with Catherine as a participative element of it. The way the story is being written now, her character is only there to provide the dramatic element in a story that's not about love anymore and seeing Cat's character being so unimportant clearly wasn't what some people signed for.
And before replying to me with a defensive argument, ask yourself if the new direction of the story really and undoubtedly needs Cat to be developed. The conflict between Vincent's beast and man could be easily shown with a random character or even Aaron. In a way, Cat too became a plot device.
I think one of the not-so-sporadic mistakes this season made was to easily forgive and write over major flaws. In order to have a fast paced show, they simply ignored things that were essential to understand and support these characters.
I feel disconnected with Catherine because I can't actually believe that her behavior is acceptable. Being a forgiving person is completely different from being apathic. Being strong for fighting for an impossible love is completely different from allow disrespect.
My main problem with Cat being with Gabe isn't because I don't think she has a right to be with a person that would actually put care about her, something that Vincent isn't doing. The only time he did do something for her was when Reynolds threatened her, but, since he found a new toy right away, it didn't feel real, it felt like he was just disposing of something really bothersome. Therefore, I'm begging her to find a new love interest and leave this toxic relationship behind.
My problem is that this new love interest is Gabe himself.
You want to have a redeemed character being worthy of getting the girl? Then, redeem it. I'm all for a bad character that found the light and it could really be interesting to the show. But make it believable. I already said that, I don't buy things said, I need to see them. To me, it doesn't matter how many times Tess can say that Gabe is noble and humble and whatever, I need to see it and make it real, because the argument of Gabe being good was tainted the moment the writers put Gabe pinning for Cat and running around town with a silly flatlining plan to help because he has feelings for her, they lost me. It took all his good intentions away because it gave him a hidden motive. Hidden motives isn't redemption, it's just more of the same, but with a pretty face.
So, right now, I'm all up for Cat to have a good boyfriend, but Gabe is far from my definition of good.
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Post by sunshine978 on Jan 6, 2014 19:23:23 GMT -5
In writters and creatives defense (please don't throw tomatoes on me ) we should take into account that these episodes were shot long time ago (around October or beg november?) so, although their initial idea of how to break VinCat , the introduction of Tori to the story, etc... didn't work as they planned, they didn't know the audience response until the actual episodes aired so I'm really hoping that after they saw the reactions they are readdressing the whole mess.. That's why Tori is not in the story anymore, Reynolds is coming back, and hopefully in ep 13 we will get more than a dance???! One thing is clear, ep 9 was meant to be the midseason finale (as anapi -season3baby :) said) seen how they are describing the episode so better hold fast our belts, grap a lot of comfort food on monday night and be ready for a hell of a ride!!! Ommmm.... already breathing in and out.... I'm gonna start this post with an apology to you, Savana_ Dying for season3!, because what I'm about to say is kind of rude, but it's not directed to you. I'm just quoting you because you brought the topic up. The hell they didn't know! They knew pretty well that S1's audience wouldn't accept another woman – specially a redheaded and selfish one – popping on Vincent's sight and instantly turning his head away from his “epic love”. They were pretty aware that we would accept to have VinCat apart if they didn't transform the characters – all of them, not only VinCat, including Gabe because I liked him more as a bad guy than this poor imitation of Evan – in weak, inconsistent and selfish people. They knew pretty well that what make us fall in love with Vincent was the fact that he would never hurt Catherine. Yet, they went there all the same! And you know why? Because they don't care about us! They don't want us! They worked diligently to get rid of S1's fans. You know why? Because we aren't good enough, big enough or whatever enough to them. So they decided to disrespect us blatantly in order to prove to whatever audience they really want that they are their priority! Everything you see in the show now is to please people that aren't us. Bullets and violence everywhere to please male audience (insulting men around by saying they like abuse), beautiful and almost illegal young women throwing themselves at Vincent to please 90210's audience or whatever brainless show like that, insufferable love triangles to please TVD's audience. There's a little piece to everyone, but us. So I thank Lilith for being the only honest person I saw talking about BatB now. You opened my eyes to see that this is really not the show I fought for last year and is one that I don't want to watch. Have fun putting the pieces of your fanbase together to see if you get 3 of them, I'm out! Whoever adm this forum can cancel my account if it pleases you. I won't come back here or to watch the show. Have a nice life! Ok! Beastly Beauty, you have 'hit the nail of the head'. First of all, I stopped watching BatB after Vincent and Tori kissed but I still read the message boards as BatB was my obsession for so long. It's the only show I have enjoyed since the 1980's and I miss it terribly!! I truly MISS it but I refuse to watch what is going on, or what is about to in the new episodes! I chose not to watch it anymore because I want to remember it as it ONCE was - charming, sweet, innocent, romantic and the list goes on...
I was reluctant to post anything since some people on this board have been annoyed/angry that some of us who no longer watch the show have been commenting on it. So those of you who are offended that I am giving some feedback, please don't read this as it is directed to those who share the same views as I do regarding the state of BatB.
I'm going out on a limb here by saying that I STRONGLY believe that the producers and writers have intentionally damaged the show and our beloved characters INTENTIONALLY! I have gone over and over in my head WHY those in charge have made the decisions they've made KNOWING very well what we like/want....believe me, they KNOW what we want to see!!!! Season 1, Alex arc, told them EXACTLY what we didn't want to see. Countless fans expressed over and over again on twitter and message boards how angry we were about the choices Vincent made when Alex was in his life again. And the ratings had dropped during and after the Alex arc! So why repeat it?! And, in my opinion, the Tori arc is WORSE! They knew very well that we would express outrage over Vincent kissing Tori (and he did kiss her!)....
So what did they do? They gave us what we DIDN'T want! The number one question is WHY?! The ONLY thing that makes sense to me is because the CW didn't want the show to continue as a result of low ratings in Season 1. This is the only thing that I can think of that is reasonable...because they have been doing the complete opposite of what we want! And they know that people would stop watching the show if too much has changed (again, Alex arc) The characters are unrecognizable - Vincent, oh Vincent! I had loved him!! He as sweet, compassionate, a recluse, shy, mysterious......a HERO! I no longer have ANY respect for him. Although I love Catherine, she has put up with too much....no self-respecting woman would. We expressed how much we loved seeing JT - where is JT?!?! He has gotten little screen time. They are focussing on secondary characters like Gabe and Tori. ...people we've expressed dislike for. THE ENTIRE SHOW HAS CHANGED AND NOT IN A GOOD WAY!! They have cheapened the show and its characters. So I believe that the CW wanted to cancel it but didn't want the outrage from fans so they renewed it and they made ALL these changes to turn fans off, which they have successfully done, and eventually cancel it with the reason being, LOW RATINGS. So in the end fans would say that at least the CW tried by hiring Brad Kern, investing more money into the show by having scenes shot in New York, using CGI to create the beast look, crisper and more professional-looking scenes and so on.......so that viewers would not boycott the Network but continue to support it, knowing that the CW 'tried' to save it. But 'trying' is also promoting it, right?? And we know they didn't promote the show from day 1.
**SPOILER<edited>* Now Vincent will be going public and I saw some pictures of the episode called 'Ancestors' and he's shown talking to a woman. So now with Vincent revealing himself to the world, viewers will be seeing him in a different light - he will be interacting much more with people....with women!! FOr me, it's no longer the charming show that had substance and quality and morality. I had found it so charming that Vincent hid in the shadows and watched over Catherine and other people....I had felt that he was truly a hero, now I don't see him that way. (end of SPOILERS)
Are fans guaranteed that 'Vincent will NEVER hurt Catheirne' anymore? No, he is now capable of ANYTHING - they have shown us that - they have crossed the line too many times. So I just didn't want to stick around to see them cross more lines. When you think of it, what's stopping the writers from crossing more lines?! Pushing Catherine, lying to her, abusing words towards her, kissing other women with no regret, having flings while on a break.....Speaking of 'flings', they found a tiny, very tiny opening to 'squeeze' Gabriella in, didn't they?! She just popped up out of the blue, didn't she?! So what's stopping the writers from having more women pop out while he was missing and Catheirne was searching for him for 3 months. The writers now have 3 months to play with!
Sorry for the long post, but Beastly Beauty, you inspired me with your post - I have been wanting to 'get this off my chest' for a while but didn't want to post it because of some of the comments some people have made about those of us who post 'negative' things. But hey, I don't blame you one bit! Do what you feel necessary to do! You know what? Even though my favourite and most treasured episodes were Season 1, episodes 1 to 9....I somehow can't seem to watch them! I can't even watch videos and pictures of VinCat anymore!! I guess I am that turned off and/or I know what the show and Vincent have become. It's so sad - I'm so sad. I HAD loved BAtB so much and it's no longer that show anymore. Best of luck and have a happy 2014!!!
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Jan 6, 2014 19:59:44 GMT -5
sunshine978.......I understand your thoughts and feelings about all this. I may be right there with you after Episode 9, but I am trying to stick with this for Kristin Kreuk. I came here for her and I will hang in there for as long as I can for her.
I hope you keep popping back in here to see what is going on if you can't watch.........hopefully things will improve and somehow we won't leave so unsatisfied with the ending of this series. I am truly trying to "wait" and see but I can't just "hope"......I need something to hold onto.
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Post by Rysa on Jan 6, 2014 20:09:28 GMT -5
Personally, I feel annoyed to read comments/opinions like these. I don't judge anyone, neither to blame but makes me feel sad, disappointed and lost any hope I have for this show. I like both seasons, many things don't find me in agreement but I still support this show which I fell in love with. Surely S1 one was the best for me. The show should be named to "Love and crime". It suits better in the direction it took. I hope no one feel offended.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jan 6, 2014 20:27:59 GMT -5
This all comes down to personal choice..Either you watch or you don't...BUT One thing is NOT liking the direction the show took and another accusing the show runners of MURDER. CW and the show runners wanting the show to fail? You are SO wrong..If you tell me again that they changed the show to get more viewers and it backfired? FINE, I agree on that..BUT to say that the network wanted to ruin a show cause it didn't want it to begin with is ridiculous, Seriously?? Putting MILLIONS of dollars into producing a show you don't want on the air? Why not bring a season 2 at all? Cause of the fans? That's crap! The network has better things to do then to listen to fans..They do what they want, they are the ones that have the money and the power. Fans can protest and lobby all they want but in the end..IF the show doesn't bring them any profit, they wipe their BUTTS on the fans. SO let's throw that theory out the toilet. In other words : Season 2 came cause the CW and production was making money, PLAIN and SIMPLE
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Post by dan on Jan 7, 2014 0:41:15 GMT -5
Whoever is running batbwriters twitter account is obviously only respond to the sam group of fans who like to kiss ass to get a RT and would say the same praises "wow so good" or "omg best show ever" or "best episode on tv".....blaargh! What also bothers me why isn`t anyone asking them how this season only focus mainly on Vincent and Cat is getting the backseat treatment? Do every batb fans only want to see more beast and less beauty? the same with them only answer q abt vincent only
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