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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jan 3, 2014 10:01:12 GMT -5
I knew this was coming...script changes confirmed
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Post by Ilaria on Jan 3, 2014 10:35:28 GMT -5
So the script has changed due to ratings, to do in order to recover the audiance. This means more VinCat romance?
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Post by kiki09 on Jan 3, 2014 10:42:46 GMT -5
So the script has changed due to ratings, to do in order to recover the audiance. This means more VinCat romance? Script changes happen all the time in TV. I doubt it has anything to do with ratings.
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Post by Beastly Beauty on Jan 3, 2014 11:04:35 GMT -5
So the script has changed due to ratings, to do in order to recover the audiance. This means more VinCat romance? Script changes happen all the time in TV. I doubt it has anything to do with ratings. So you really think that the show runners aren't worried with the ratings and that they didn't realize that this story - regardless the ones that are liking it, I honestly don't want to offend you, guys - isn't pleasing the fans and pushing them away? I sincerely hope you're wrong because, unlike what people might think, I still want the show to have a chance in memory of what was awesome in S1.
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Post by Rysa on Jan 3, 2014 11:45:09 GMT -5
Ratings are still important issue for the runners. Of course they care about it. That's why the show probably change direction.
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Post by kiki09 on Jan 3, 2014 11:55:32 GMT -5
Script changes happen all the time in TV. I doubt it has anything to do with ratings. So you really think that the show runners aren't worried with the ratings and that they didn't realize that this story - regardless the ones that are liking it, I honestly don't want to offend you, guys - isn't pleasing the fans and pushing them away? I sincerely hope you're wrong because, unlike what people might think, I still want the show to have a chance in memory of what was awesome in S1. My comment was not directed specifically to BATB, it refers to TV in general. Script changes happen all the time. I think everyone involved is concerned about ratings but because we don't know what the exact changes are, or when the decision to change the script was made, I choose not to assume that it solely has to do with ratings. That's just my personal opinion.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jan 3, 2014 12:49:44 GMT -5
I think it has nothing to do with ratings but more the fact the idea they originally had didn't work and they had to change some stuff. It happens in many shows
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Post by raniamahd on Jan 4, 2014 5:31:52 GMT -5
OK , i have to say something you may not like and you may also think who is this stranger who came to the forum only to disagree and upset us ? so , sorry for upsetting any of you but i always used to say what i really feel and think even if people hate me for that ! i was never good on saying what others want or like to hear to make them like me ! so , now let me ask you why you take the script changing as a bad thing that you feel you have to deny it is due to the low rating and come right away to the show makers defense ? let us be realistic here and admit the rating is really really bad and it is the reason we only have 2 months = 7 or 8 episodes and God knows when we can see the rest of the season episodes , and of course the possibility that season may be the serie final ! and let us also admit that many viewers don't like the way season 2 turned to and don't understand , believe or agree with Mr. Kern's plan and many of those viewers stop watching and in this point the show can't afford losing more viewers , they make movies and TV series for people to watch and get money from them not for their own pleasure so. if your viewers are not satisfied with what you give them and they started to leave and you don't earn enough money from the show any more , what you have to do now if you are in the show makers shoes ?
would you be stubborn and stick to your plan and blame the fans for not understanding or supporting your great plan ?
or you would be brave and admit you were wrong and get back to the good old way people loved about the show ?
as they said why fix it if it is not broken ?
season one was not broken to fix it and change it in season 2 to a whole different show ?! season one is what people loved and support so strong and what got the show an award , any way you try some thing so different and it didn't work , so the wise thing to do now is get back the old magic way and give the fans what they want it is not offending or insulting to listen to the fans and make changes to pleas them and keep them watching !
i take it as a good sight , and now i know from e 13 and up we will have the old magic show we loved back , and who knows that may be manage to save the show ! isn't that what we all want ? now i said what i am feeling and thinking and if you don't like it or choose to accuse me of hating the show or being negative or whatever , well it is your choice any way even it is not the truth !
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 4, 2014 8:04:33 GMT -5
OK , i have to say something you may not like and you may also think who is this stranger who came to the forum only to disagree and upset us ? so , sorry for upsetting any of you but i always used to say what i really feel and think even if people hate me for that ! i was never good on saying what others want or like to hear to make them like me ! so , now let me ask you why you take the script changing as a bad thing that you feel you have to deny it is due to the low rating and come right away to the show makers defense ? let us be realistic here and admit the rating is really really bad and it is the reason we only have 2 months = 7 or 8 episodes and God knows when we can see the rest of the season episodes , and of course the possibility that season may be the serie final ! and let us also admit that many viewers don't like the way season 2 turned to and don't understand , believe or agree with Mr. Kern's plan and many of those viewers stop watching and in this point the show can't afford losing more viewers , they make movies and TV series for people to watch and get money from them not for their own pleasure so. if your viewers are not satisfied with what you give them and they started to leave and you don't earn enough money from the show any more , what you have to do now if you are in the show makers shoes ?
would you be stubborn and stick to your plan and blame the fans for not understanding or supporting your great plan ?
or you would be brave and admit you were wrong and get back to the good old way people loved about the show ?
as they said why fix it if it is not broken ?
season one was not broken to fix it and change it in season 2 to a whole different show ?! season one is what people loved and support so strong and what got the show an award , any way you try some thing so different and it didn't work , so the wise thing to do now is get back the old magic way and give the fans what they want it is not offending or insulting to listen to the fans and make changes to pleas them and keep them watching !
i take it as a good sight , and now i know from e 13 and up we will have the old magic show we loved back , and who knows that may be manage to save the show ! isn't that what we all want ? now i said what i am feeling and thinking and if you don't like it or choose to accuse me of hating the show or being negative or whatever , well it is your choice any way even it is not the truth !
ok firstly not everyone disagrees with u, why would u say that? i dont think there is any reason for you to apologise for your posts, they are not offensive, you are just saying what you think now, regarding ratings. I have said it many times but never got a response from anyone so I really would like to have this discussion here cause a couple of things do not make sense to me. people say ratings were affected by the direction of the show and all was good last year – this is the thing I do not agree with and do not understand at all. last year our ratings were not great, considering we were right after TVD on a thursday evening, best timeslot of the week probably. in fact, we started off really really well and our ratings fell significantly and quickly. this show is not for everyone, I love it but it is definitely not for everyone and season 1 was not for everyone for sure. our ratings kept falling until we ended with a 0.5. i agree, this year they wanted to change things so we get more viewers. i think that made sense. a 0.5 ratings at a prime timeslot was not good at all. The saying what is not broken do not fix it did not apply, since it was touch and go whether we would get another season as we all very well know. I also think what they tried to do could potentially improve viewership (though this is my subjective opinion) but I do not think it backfired on them, because they did not get a chance to test it! Ratings were 0.3 since the show started and have not changed since! People did not get a chance to see the new direction. Those who did continued to watch. So their attempts did not backfire cause they were not even tested. Most people think of BATB as that of season 1 and did not even bother tuning in to watch season 2. To me therefore it is very clear that lack of promotion, a weaker timeslot and a weak lead in and strong competition were much more responsible for low ratings than change of direction. Don’t u think that makes sense? And some stats: Once a show starts, as a rule ratings either remain steady or fall, they almost never go up. So that 0.3 for the first episode was a killer and when I saw it I was like – we are scr…ed. It is very very very unlikely that ratings go up after the first episode. Now, regarding ratings improving in the future. IMO and for the reasons stated above the only way ratings can improve is a) if key competitor shows finish including the football matches (my understanding is that this will happen a bit before BATB goes on hiatus and replaced by the tomorrow people, so they will mostly reap the benefits). B) if we have a strong lead in c) if the cw suddenly decides to super promote the show, a bit too late if u ask me and at the moment they have fired their batb publicity person so I somehow doubt this will happen – just being realistic here Regarding our survival for a season 3 I think this is possible if a) the two new shows completely flop and so does TTP on the new timeslot and if Reign falls further to say a 0.5. At the moment the only show doing worse than us is the carrie diaries which just now fell to 0.2. but my understanding is they were not planning to renew that for another season anyway? Finally, regarding what the writers are currently doing. I don’t know! A) They may have been told, that is it guys make sure it gets a closure in which case they have to throw their 5 arc idea out of the window and indeed bring them back a bit earlier – this is likely. B) they may try to change things so that they improve ratings – in my honest opinion this is unlikely (again for the aforementioned reasons I don’t think this would change ratings and I think they know that). I don’t think they got a wake up call cause of ratings, or anything like that and anyway the plan was (from their original descriptions) we will break them up and then get them back together once they discover themselves individually and once they rediscover each other. C) they may have just decided to change a script cause it was not working (that is also possible)
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Post by raniamahd on Jan 4, 2014 10:18:37 GMT -5
ok firstly not everyone disagrees with u, why would u say that? i dont think there is any reason for you to apologise for your posts, they are not offensive, you are just saying what you think now, regarding ratings. I have said it many times but never got a response from anyone so I really would like to have this discussion here cause a couple of things do not make sense to me. people say ratings were affected by the direction of the show and all was good last year – this is the thing I do not agree with and do not understand at all. last year our ratings were not great, considering we were right after TVD on a thursday evening, best timeslot of the week probably. in fact, we started off really really well and our ratings fell significantly and quickly. this show is not for everyone, I love it but it is definitely not for everyone and season 1 was not for everyone for sure. our ratings kept falling until we ended with a 0.5. i agree, this year they wanted to change things so we get more viewers. i think that made sense. a 0.5 ratings at a prime timeslot was not good at all. The saying what is not broken do not fix it did not apply, since it was touch and go whether we would get another season as we all very well know. I also think what they tried to do could potentially improve viewership (though this is my subjective opinion) but I do not think it backfired on them, because they did not get a chance to test it! Ratings were 0.3 since the show started and have not changed since! People did not get a chance to see the new direction. Those who did continued to watch. So their attempts did not backfire cause they were not even tested. Most people think of BATB as that of season 1 and did not even bother tuning in to watch season 2. To me therefore it is very clear that lack of promotion, a weaker timeslot and a weak lead in and strong competition were much more responsible for low ratings than change of direction. Don’t u think that makes sense? And some stats: Once a show starts, as a rule ratings either remain steady or fall, they almost never go up. So that 0.3 for the first episode was a killer and when I saw it I was like – we are scr…ed. It is very very very unlikely that ratings go up after the first episode. Now, regarding ratings improving in the future. IMO and for the reasons stated above the only way ratings can improve is a) if key competitor shows finish including the football matches (my understanding is that this will happen a bit before BATB goes on hiatus and replaced by the tomorrow people, so they will mostly reap the benefits). B) if we have a strong lead in c) if the cw suddenly decides to super promote the show, a bit too late if u ask me and at the moment they have fired their batb publicity person so I somehow doubt this will happen – just being realistic here Regarding our survival for a season 3 I think this is possible if a) the two new shows completely flop and so does TTP on the new timeslot and if Reign falls further to say a 0.5. At the moment the only show doing worse than us is the carrie diaries which just now fell to 0.2. but my understanding is they were not planning to renew that for another season anyway? Finally, regarding what the writers are currently doing. I don’t know! A) They may have been told, that is it guys make sure it gets a closure in which case they have to throw their 5 arc idea out of the window and indeed bring them back a bit earlier – this is likely. B) they may try to change things so that they improve ratings – in my honest opinion this is unlikely (again for the aforementioned reasons I don’t think this would change ratings and I think they know that). I don’t think they got a wake up call cause of ratings, or anything like that and anyway the plan was (from their original descriptions) we will break them up and then get them back together once they discover themselves individually and once they rediscover each other. C) they may have just decided to change a script cause it was not working (that is also possible) First, thanks dear for your nice words it was so kind of you but i felt like i have to apologize if i upset any one , after all i am a guest on the forum and on the show viewers in general , and i believe the guests should know their limit's , behave nicely and don't upset their hostess
now regarding the show , when i said ( why fix it if it is not broken) i was not refer to the rating but to the story , to its direction and its characters , you now every time i read about how they are changing things in season 2 , how it is much different and better than season 1 ? i said why ? what is wrong with season 1 to change it ?!! it was perfect but it is not for every body like you said and those who the show was directed to them really enjoyed season 1,so why is the change ? to get more viewers ? ok it is fine but they had to be careful not to loss their basic fans in the presses ,and that what happened in my opinion ? they didn't get new viewers and some of the old viewers are left ! you said that did not test ? i think 8 episodes and the news of upcoming episodes is enough to say i didn't work , the network will not wait the rating to raise until the final episode of the season, not when they have shows doing better and upcoming new shows want to test them ?!
so , this lead us to the rating again , i will not argue a lot in this subject i am not American and of course you know much better about rating than me , but i know so many American viewers were freak out of the announcement of the she beast coming , and they announced her so early may be before the season started , they didn't buy that she isn't a new Alex and they refused to go there again , it was like they said (trek me once shame on you , trek me twice shame on me !) as i said she freak them out like Alex did last year , and as i remembered the rating started to fall down when Alex came ! second thing : i use to download the episodes on the Internet early Monday morning that means midnight Sunday in USA time ,i also sue to read the episodes review or describe from the early viewers before i watch to prepare myself , if i can do this, so USA viewers can do it too , and if they watch the episode or knew its events and get disappointed and dislike it , would you think they will bother watch it again live Monday evening ?! but they will if they like it , to enjoy a good show , to support a show they like , a show gives them just what they want to see ! so yes the rating may be affected be many reasons but the storyline and the direction of season 2 didn't help getting the rating better too ! and certainly didn't get them more viewers
so that lead me to my original question , if the rating or the reaction of the fans they knew about from different sources , if those make them understand that the viewers are not satisfied with the changes of season 2 and then they decided to go back in the old road and made new changes to pleas the fans and give them what they want ?
why is it bad ? i see it as a good and wise thing , so , why some of you see it as insult or offend and say it is not a possibility ? why if we may get what we want ? they may even get rid of the adorable she beast as soon as possible a woman can dream , right ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 11:20:22 GMT -5
First, thanks dear for your nice words it was so kind of you but i felt like i have to apologize if i upset any one , after all i am a guest on the forum and on the show viewers in general , and i believe the guests should know their limit's , behave nicely and don't upset their hostess now regarding the show , when i said ( why fix it if it is not broken) i was not refer to the rating but to the story , to its direction and its characters , you now every time i read about how they are changing things in season 2 , how it is much different and better than season 1 ? i said why ? what is wrong with season 1 to change it ?!! it was perfect but it is not for every body like you said and those who the show was directed to them really enjoyed season 1,so why is the change ? to get more viewers ? ok it is fine but they had to be careful not to loss their basic fans in the presses ,and that what happened in my opinion ? they didn't get new viewers and some of the old viewers are left ! you said that did not test ? i think 8 episodes and the news of upcoming episodes is enough to say i didn't work , the network will not wait the rating to raise until the final episode of the season, not when they have shows doing better and upcoming new shows want to test them ?! so , this lead us to the rating again , i will not argue a lot in this subject i am not American and of course you know much better about rating than me , but i know so many American viewers were freak out of the announcement of the she beast coming , and they announced her so early may be before the season started , they didn't buy that she isn't a new Alex and they refused to go there again , it was like they said (trek me once shame on you , trek me twice shame on me !) as i said she freak them out like Alex did last year , and as i remembered the rating started to fall down when Alex came ! second thing : i use to download the episodes on the Internet early Monday morning that means midnight Sunday in USA time ,i also sue to read the episodes review or describe from the early viewers before i watch to prepare myself , if i can do this, so USA viewers can do it too , and if they watch the episode or knew its events and get disappointed and dislike it , would you think they will bother watch it again live Monday evening ?! but they will if they like it , to enjoy a good show , to support a show they like , a show gives them just what they want to see ! so yes the rating may be affected be many reasons but the storyline and the direction of season 2 didn't help getting the rating better too ! and certainly didn't get them more viewers so that lead me to my original question , if the rating or the reaction of the fans they knew about from different sources , if those make them understand that the viewers are not satisfied with the changes of season 2 and then they decided to go back in the old road and made new changes to pleas the fans and give them what they want ? why is it bad ? i see it as a good and wise thing , so , why some of you see it as insult or offend and say it is not a possibility ? why if we may get what we want ? they may even get rid of the adorable she beast as soon as possible a woman can dream , right ? Okay, I understand the argument, but there's a major flaw here.
If the changes were done because S1 wasn't to everybody (which I have doubts because I really think BatB would have better chances in a bigger network), this new direction is also not to everybody, otherwise, it would attract new viewers. Lack of promotion is a huge factor, but it's not the sole reason of low ratings. Maybe The CW hadn't invest anything in promoting the show, but certainly beasties are loud enough to pick up some interest. I speak from experience because I did manage to make some friends watch the show, including 2 boys. Who would have thought? They didn't like what they saw, I (or the show) lost them on episode 2.
It seems to me that the show runners put themselves in a sheltered, comfortable room and simply came up with a vision for a 5 year plan without really trying to understand why the show would be interesting in 1st place, what would really compel people to watch it and what's really the core of the show. Which would be fine in a new show, not one that's in its 2nd season. If you don't know who you want to touch and why these people would be touched, how will you touch them?
The same person like wine and beer for different reasons, even if it's just because they taste differently. The same person watch TVD and BatB for different reasons. So why put them in the same category and not try to really see their reasons? This is the 1st lesson on merchandising I had on college.
BatB is failing for a lot of reasons? Maybe yes, maybe not. But it's the show runners' duty to try to forsee all this variables and overcome them, not simply blaming the fans for the bad situation the show is in right now.
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Post by oriana happy 4 s3 on Jan 4, 2014 12:55:06 GMT -5
And all this is so sad if you know that there are two new BATB movies filming. I watched a trailer on youtube titled Belle e la Bete, they write it's a kolossal next february 12th at cinema, actress Léa Seydoux and actor e Vincent Cassell (he can't be compared to Jay Ryan!) And a Disney movie will be directed by Guillermo Del Toro actress Emma Watson. So it's not that people don't love romantic stories!
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Jan 4, 2014 14:35:07 GMT -5
Its full seam ahead on Monday #Feasties Everyone is in and we start to shoot EP213. & Someone is left at the alter #batb catherine ashton
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 14:46:02 GMT -5
Its full seam ahead on Monday #Feasties Everyone is in and we start to shoot EP213. & Someone is left at the alter #batb catherine ashton I knew JT would end up bailing on Tess.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 15:15:03 GMT -5
Maybe Vincent gave up marrying Tori because Alex came back after seeing him on TV.
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