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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Sept 25, 2013 18:11:57 GMT -5
obyn Ross @robynrosstvg 24 Sep Hey #beasties, send me any questions you have! @robynrosstvg read in another preview that Catherine is kinda 'creepy' in her obsession with Vincent in ep201. Do u agree? Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More Robyn Ross @robynrosstvg 1h @madgegf I wouldn’t say creepy it’s more desperately determined Hide conversation One person's "creepy" is another person's "desperately determined".....................I'll take "desperately determined" any day!!
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Sept 25, 2013 18:20:28 GMT -5
obyn Ross @robynrosstvg 24 Sep Hey #beasties, send me any questions you have! @robynrosstvg read in another preview that Catherine is kinda 'creepy' in her obsession with Vincent in ep201. Do u agree? Expand Reply Retweet Favorite More Robyn Ross @robynrosstvg 1h @madgegf I wouldn’t say creepy it’s more desperately determined Hide conversation One person's "creepy" is another person's "desperately determined".....................I'll take "desperately determined" any day!! me too imagine, if you are so in love as catherine is, you know how the other person feels too. then he is taken away and you have no idea where he is and you even feel partially responsible. you understandably spend day and night trying to find him and when you do he has changed but not because he chose to, but because they wiped his memory and experimented iwth him. would you not become "desperately determined" to bring him back and get him to remember and love u at all costs?I would for sure! it would be weird if she didnt. it woudl be weird if she continued to be like that a few episodes later, that I understand. but obviously in the beginning she woudl desperately try to remind him of their epic love. lol, i hope i dont change my mind when i watch it!
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Sept 25, 2013 19:22:49 GMT -5
Somewhat concerned about the reviews saying Vincent is a "changed" man. Love the idea that he may end up doing the chasing, though. Vincent definitely needs to be a little more aggressive in the relationship (e.g., the "almost" first kiss and the first kiss). Catherine is always "leading" the relationship and I'd like to see Vincent stepping-up and taking the lead (old fashioned, maybe; but wow!).
Hope the writers don't mess with Vincent's personality too much. The viewers fell in love with this character; it would be really upsetting to change Vincent to where we no longer like him, let alone love him (they made that mistake with the Alex arc; it would be really bad if now Vincent doesn't have the same morals, integrity, and "heart").
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Sept 25, 2013 19:50:26 GMT -5
Somewhat concerned about the reviews saying Vincent is a "changed" man. Love the idea that he may end up doing the chasing, though. Vincent definitely needs to be a little more aggressive in the relationship (e.g., the "almost" first kiss and the first kiss). Catherine is always "leading" the relationship and I'd like to see Vincent stepping-up and taking the lead (old fashioned, maybe; but wow!). Hope the writers don't mess with Vincent's personality too much. The viewers fell in love with this character; it would be really upsetting to change Vincent to where we no longer like him, let alone love him (they made that mistake with the Alex arc; it would be really bad if now Vincent doesn't have the same morals, integrity, and "heart"). EXACTLY! That whole "changed" man could be dangerous ground if they make him somewhat "unlikeable".
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Sept 25, 2013 20:58:22 GMT -5
Well as far as I am concerned, this show gets one chance to reinvent itself and get it right. Fans fell in love with the love story, characters, and especially Vincent. They need to create angst without committing character assassination. Vincent *HA<edited> to be likable. My guess would be that he starts out as someone that is somewhat changed - unrecognizable even character-wise, but that little by little he will regain his sense of self. Catherine, of course, won't give up on him, but IMO he still has to be attractive and likable to her - and not just physically. So he can't be a total jerk. It's just not in the cards. It is dangerous ground, but that is exactly what makes it interesting. My guess that he will regain memories bit by bit - which will help merge the new him with the old him. The ultimate result will be character growth for both of them.
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Sept 25, 2013 21:30:07 GMT -5
Well as far as I am concerned, this show gets one chance to reinvent itself and get it right. Fans fell in love with the love story, characters, and especially Vincent. They need to create angst without committing character assassination. Vincent *HA<edited> to be likable. My guess would be that he starts out as someone that is somewhat changed - unrecognizable even character-wise, but that little by little he will regain his sense of self. Catherine, of course, won't give up on him, but IMO he still has to be attractive and likable to her - and not just physically. So he can't be a total jerk. It's just not in the cards. It is dangerous ground, but that is exactly what makes it interesting. My guess that he will regain memories bit by bit - which will help merge the new him with the old him. The ultimate result will be character growth for both of them. ABSOLUTELY! Vincent cannot be totally unrecognizable to the fans; they have to show "glimpses" of the character we like/love to keep our interest. Catherine may not give up, but fans will if they no longer believe in Vincent. Reinventing the show was/is a good idea. Focusing on the mythology is great. But....the bottom line is the "epic love story." This could be really exciting if Catherine triggers bits and pieces of his memory each time they connect. Trust slowly grows, the relationship intensifies, and love re-builds to an even greater height. I have faith this will be really special; I just hope the writers and editors are being careful as to how this is portrayed.
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Post by curly on Sept 25, 2013 23:49:34 GMT -5
ok so from afterbuzz interview not much in terms of spoilers though really good interview with austin confirmed: v will have a bit of the stockholme syndrome thing, where he sympathises with abductors he has been brainwashed thye will be trying to get the old v back j.t and tess as a couple in future a possibility gabe still hates murfield and is part of the team of vincent, cat etc but jt doesnt trust him what is happening this season much bigger than murfield That all sounds very intriguing but what got a gasp from me was when Austin said the new show-runner didn't go by season but had a 5 year map laid out for the show. 5 YEARS..I found that aspect very interesting Hey Yolie Im with you on this one. The five yr plan is the most interesting part of that interview for me. Some may not agree with me on this but I think a 5 yr plan is awesome in terms of mythology and shows the great expectations they have for the success of the show but IMO this spells disaster for Vincat this season in terms of being together. 5yrs is a long time. It would be like the 5yr engagement if they are together the whole time. So I feel like it is take them apart now or take them apart later. This is what I think they mean by changing the core romance of the show. I not gonna be all I love you's but deduced to lust and angst thus "achingly romantic". "You can't make somebody love you" and it looks to me that Cat is gonna have to learn that the hard way this time. (considering he does not remember her) At some point she will probably be happy that he is ok. If he is meant to be like Jason Bourne the last thing on his mind is a relationship but it will be this "cool" mission that he is focused on because it is probably what he is programmed to do. It would be hard to feel for him if he turns out to be be on the opposition side. Last I remember Vincat wanted to take down Muirfield and make them pay. Any involvement Vincent has with them in some way would be a huge conflict that he probably does not understand. Especially when she does not know his mission or what has happened to him. He may "never" hurt her physically but he has gotta have all sorts of intel pertaining to they mythology and her family locked away in his erased mind. Not that there won't be romance but the relationship will be off the rails for a while. I cringe at the though of her throwing herself at him with a desperate kiss to try and make him remember. God I hope its a flashback. and God I hope I am wrong about most of this post. LOL
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Post by feezya on Sept 26, 2013 1:14:12 GMT -5
Great Vincent turned of by Cats obsessiveness. Nice!! Just what I want to see. NOT!!! I really do not like the idea of Cat turning into the stereotypical crazy pschyco ex though understandable. Told ya. She will be all up in his grill until she is forced to back off or comes to some realization that he is changed and she can't do anything about it (thus the he's just not that into you ref) which will open the door for someone else to fill that void IMO for angst until Vincent comes to his senses. She will have to let go at some point and she will have nothing. I don't know I would be pretty mad about it and life etc..Then it will be him chasing her around until the end of season if we are lucky. or worse they will be friends. LOL FI done well this could be good but I really feel like changing the core of the romance is NUTS!!!! I really hope they do not underestimate the importance of the romance to viewers. Watching 1 side at a time will be like torture. Hope we don't get fed up. Can't wait to see how it plays out. yeah, i dont like the idea too. remembered there was one review saying that he felt catherine seems a little too desperate.... can't remember exactly from which website...
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Sept 26, 2013 3:15:35 GMT -5
Now is when I am able to st quietly on my computer and put down in words what I'm feeling after seeing the articles and photos that have been coming out the last few days. First let me tell you that I have mixed feelings about a few thing. You guys know me and know how open with what I feel I am..I don't hold back how I feel and some people in my life don't like that aspect of who I am (no pun intended)
When Curly and I were discussing that the only way to bring Vincent back in season 2 was to erase his memory..That was the more logical way to explain what M did to him. When I found out that this in fact was true a few days ago I was torn..Torn cause of the pain Catherine would feel when she saw Vincent for the first time in three months and he wouldn't recognize her..That is physical , mental and emotionally disturbing for someone who has been drastically searching for this man . Painful for us as well..Since we lived the 'I love you's , the love and passion these two people felt before he was captured. It's heartbreaking.
For the writers point of view like many have said is a clean slate cause many people even in this forum wanted the relationship to go slower...Some say it was rushed cause they didn't know that the show would have a second season. Or cause the writers wanted it as much as we did. Still they changed things now for season 2. Why did they use memory lose? Why cause the writers now want to make things go slower....
I think it was a cop out! They know that the idea of gradually falling in love is more appealing for TV then being in love and working through that relationship. TV doesn't want that. What does that do for us? Fresh start? But at what cost? What will change in this season other then Vincent doesn't have a clue who the love of his life, the person he would die for, the person who saved her numerous times, and the woman he was 'destined' to be with changed? Is Vincent a jerk? Does Vincent put his mission first? That isn't the Vincent Catherine fell in love with..HELL that's not the Vincent we or I for that matter fell in love with. Are they playing with the dynamics of the show or VINCENT the man we know or knew and who he is not only to Catherine but to US??
Everyone is talking about a 'changed' Vincent..Not only in his Beast mode but as the MAN Vincent. If this is the case will we see more Alex's in the future? (Writers said no) Will we see Catherine with other love interests? MAYBE..But how can they keep this show from being an ordinary show if they take away that which made it unique? I may be putting too much into the first episode but I fear that people will tune off if Vincent's becomes that jerk that he was with Alex.Or they bring other love interests for Catherine(Cause let's face it..A woman will give up and re access her life and move on)The people involved in this show now are from 90201 and Charmed...90210? That's a show about young people sleeping around with each others friends..Is that where this show is heading? Do we want this for the is show? I looked into Brad kern, have you guys read all the negative stuff written about him? How he ruined Charmed? I know you can't believe everything you read..BUT it's not by ONE poster but hundreds! I don't want the show to go down that path of sleeping with other people or changing the dynamics of the characters..Do you?
Now on the other hand..YES I have a few good points too! I for one am a sucker for a good love story...If this memory loss is something that will gradually go away and eventually he remembers EVERYTHING then it might work. The idea of a whole season of SECRET AGENT MAN as much as it brings viewers it takes away the romance, sexiness and passion that this show has in KK and Jay. I want stories that touch the heart but makes us think..I want the WOW factor of The Pilot, The Aww Of Worth and Bridesmaid Up. And I want the thrive for them to fight for what they want...Tough Love, Any Means Possible and Date Night! I want the magic! I want the fantasy and I want for them to fall in love again.
The cards are in the hands of the writers, producer's and show runners..If they want a five year plan..They better damn well make it worth it! I want VinCat together UNTIL the ENDGAME! I say throw eye spy at them, throw super soldiers, throw more beasts, throw bombs, throw whatever but anything can be accomplished TOGETHER.
Also they can give us wonderful sets, great special effects and tremendous actors (cast) BUT if the stories being told aren't intersting then what's the point?
Also the idea of a bigger budget, better make-up for Vincent, better sets,nicer sponsorship (FORD and APPLE) doesn't make the show any better..just better looking..is that enough?
I love this show..I love falling in love, I love being in love, I believe in forbidden and loves that have to go through hell. I love that..That's what made season 1 work..even with the cheap Beast make-up, the sets that weren't oh so great, even the editing of the show we put up with everything and it still made the show the CULT phenomenon it is! I want it to stay that way for 5 years and beyond!
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Sept 26, 2013 5:12:32 GMT -5
Well as far as I am concerned, this show gets one chance to reinvent itself and get it right. Fans fell in love with the love story, characters, and especially Vincent. They need to create angst without committing character assassination. Vincent *HA<edited> to be likable. My guess would be that he starts out as someone that is somewhat changed - unrecognizable even character-wise, but that little by little he will regain his sense of self. Catherine, of course, won't give up on him, but IMO he still has to be attractive and likable to her - and not just physically. So he can't be a total jerk. It's just not in the cards. It is dangerous ground, but that is exactly what makes it interesting. My guess that he will regain memories bit by bit - which will help merge the new him with the old him. The ultimate result will be character growth for both of them. ABSOLUTELY! Vincent cannot be totally unrecognizable to the fans; they have to show "glimpses" of the character we like/love to keep our interest. Catherine may not give up, but fans will if they no longer believe in Vincent. Reinventing the show was/is a good idea. Focusing on the mythology is great. But....the bottom line is the "epic love story." This could be really exciting if Catherine triggers bits and pieces of his memory each time they connect. Trust slowly grows, the relationship intensifies, and love re-builds to an even greater height. I have faith this will be really special; I just hope the writers and editors are being careful as to how this is portrayed. Well, and truthfully if they don't make it a bit edgy and uncomfortable, it won't be as interesting to watch... there has to be a bit of - let's say- reasonable doubt. He can't just be the old Vincent right away... And Yolie is right, a bigger budget and better make-up doesn't make a better show... maybe doing the memory wipe was a cop-out, but it does open up the possibility for them to rediscover each other and fall in love all over again... something which was kind of (almost) perfect the first time (minus Alex). I'm excited about that part. Drama - such as the memory wipe - can be a really good thing, or it can exhaust viewers, it is really up to the writers to get it right. I am holding out hope, right now, that they are going to make it special. I also think the memory wipe part will be good for attracting new viewers who may be seeing the show for the first time. A clean slate, a bit of edgy angst might be just what the Doctor ordered in that regard...I also think, Vincent did need something to do besides being a romantic man-beast boyfriend. Also, like Yolie, I liked the old BATB, and have resisted this uncomfortable next step.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Sept 26, 2013 6:03:55 GMT -5
Well, I had no idea Brad Kern ruined charmed (rarely ever watched it) or that the Beverley Hills people are now also involved, that really worries me. The thing I love about this show is that the feelings are real, and not teenagie type like in vast majority of shows out there. I fell in love with the show and the characters precisely because I could relate to them and because (despite all its faults) it is so different (in a good way) from anything else out there at the moment. I know that if the show changes dramatically and they make it too mainstream it will lose its fans for sure. Ratings may improve but it will just be another show. I for sure will eventually stop watching if that happens. however, we Do need to stay positive and hope that this doesn't happen and that season 2 will improve in terms of everything that didnt work last season while also keeping its essence! in terms of vincent losing his memory, I don't mind it as long as it is done well - it really depends on how they play it out. also, i think it is very important that sooner or later he regains the memory as well. i'd rather have 2 good seasons than 5 or 6 seasons which are s..t
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Sept 26, 2013 6:11:29 GMT -5
ABSOLUTELY! Vincent cannot be totally unrecognizable to the fans; they have to show "glimpses" of the character we like/love to keep our interest. Catherine may not give up, but fans will if they no longer believe in Vincent. Reinventing the show was/is a good idea. Focusing on the mythology is great. But....the bottom line is the "epic love story." This could be really exciting if Catherine triggers bits and pieces of his memory each time they connect. Trust slowly grows, the relationship intensifies, and love re-builds to an even greater height. I have faith this will be really special; I just hope the writers and editors are being careful as to how this is portrayed. Well, and truthfully if they don't make it a bit edgy and uncomfortable, it won't be as interesting to watch... there has to be a bit of - let's say- reasonable doubt. He can't just be the old Vincent right away... And Yolie is right, a bigger budget and better make-up doesn't make a better show... maybe doing the memory wipe was a cop-out, but it does open up the possibility for them to rediscover each other and fall in love all over again... something which was kind of (almost) perfect the first time (minus Alex). I'm excited about that part. Drama - such as the memory wipe - can be a really good thing, or it can exhaust viewers, it is really up to the writers to get it right. I am holding out hope, right now, that they are going to make it special. I also think the memory wipe part will be good for attracting new viewers who may be seeing the show for the first time. A clean slate, a bit of edgy angst might be just what the Doctor ordered in that regard...I also think, Vincent did need something to do besides being a romantic man-beast boyfriend. Also, like Yolie, I liked the old BATB, and have resisted this uncomfortable next step. okay lol..let word it better I'm not afraid of angst..little disconnecting and struggling to find love lost..my fear comes from the writer's. .producer's and new show runners. ..It's that which is not allowing me to be overjoyed with the memory wipe idea..if there weren't major <edited> ups with the writing and decision and direction of a certain arc I would be all giddy with this scenario.
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Post by Suzieq ❤️ Beastie on Sept 26, 2013 7:10:25 GMT -5
For the writers point of view like many have said is a clean slate cause many people even in this forum wanted the relationship to go slower...Some say it was rushed cause they didn't know that the show would have a second season. Or cause the writers wanted it as much as we did. Still they changed things now for season 2. Why did they use memory lose? Why cause the writers now want to make things go slower.... I think it was a cop out! They know that the idea of gradually falling in love is more appealing for TV then being in love and working through that relationship. TV doesn't want that. What does that do for us? Fresh start? But at what cost? What will change in this season other then Vincent doesn't have a clue who the love of his life, the person he would die for, the person who saved her numerous times, and the woman he was 'destined' to be with changed? Is Vincent a jerk? Does Vincent put his mission first? That isn't the Vincent Catherine fell in love with..HELL that's not the Vincent we or I for that matter fell in love with. Are they playing with the dynamics of the show or VINCENT the man we know or knew and who he is not only to Catherine but to US?? Yolie....I absolutely agree with all you said. Every single concern. I said before, I HATE MEMORY WIPES, they make for more storylines but there is something that gets lost within the whole storyline and dynamic that, IMO, ruins what came before. I have seen this before and something that was "true" before is now forever changed. At this point, I keep telling myself that it isn't a TOTAL "Memory Wipe" but a SUPPRESSION of Vincent's memory. The whole episode of Vincent's "Fugue State" was about suspected Memory SUPRESSION by Muirfield. Vincent remembered his time in Afghanistan. I can deal with that. If through Vincent's new Beast metamorphous he AGAIN has his memory tampered with, I am OK with it. If slowly, Vincent's senses cause him to recognize the people he cared about in his life and regains his memory, even better. If they take their time with the rediscovering the love story, fine. BUT DON'T MESS WITH THE BASIC CHARACTER TRAITS that were established in the first season. The backstory of Vincent was built on his pain, suffering, anguish, trials .........his self-loathing was undeniable,.......his struggles controlling the Beast within...........his heroics in saving people,.............his emotional discovery through finding love with Catherine.........These are all qualities of the show that were pain-stakingly laid out and we FELL IN LOVE WITH THEM AND THE STORY! What you said so wonderfully concise, Yolie, is that we don't want the foundation of this story to be messed with based on a "Memory Wipe". I DO NOT want to see JERK Vincent! I don't want to see all the wonderful qualities of Vincent be gone for most of this season. Reprogram Vincent,.....throw in a suppressed memory but don't make him someone we can't stand. I don't want to see Cat chase after him and trying so hard (and failing) to get that old Vincent back. (Hence the "Creepy" reference to Cat in K-site's review) I don't want to see them falling in love with someone else.......but I feel like they will do this at various points. This could be tolerable only if we see these characters stay true to themselves and the characters that we know and love. If you change Vincent and he is a JERK, the memory wipe is just a pothole which can be turned around at the whim of the writers. A TRUE COP OUT! I don't mind seeing a struggle in recapturing the love between VinCat, but don't make it 90210. The only thing I feel confident about is that Kristin and Jay are two actors that seem to speak up for their characters. I believe if they felt that the characters of Vincent and Catherine are going to be taken into foolish and silly high school type relationships they would not like it. Jay and Kristin love the characters they play and will maintain the heart and soul of them. I did not know all the stuff about Brad Kern, ......yikes. Thanks for the information. I think that if we see the show moving in the direction of foolishness like this that we will have to ROAR and make out feelings known.......like we always do.
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Post by sweetrosie29 on Sept 26, 2013 9:19:03 GMT -5
Yes like Katy Perry's song ' Roar' we will be heard.
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Sept 26, 2013 13:13:00 GMT -5
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