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Post by curly on Aug 30, 2013 21:55:22 GMT -5
1) Welcome back julz! Missed the speculating. 2) WHere is vincerine? If people have viewed 2x1 already I would assume it is way passed post production and I wonder what her finale sources could tell us.
3) If Vincent is holding flowers I can only assume they are for Catherine which means that he remembers her so we can scratch the memory loss scenario IMO. Not gonna be bringing some random girl flowers. He stayed away which will not be good IMO because he is different and more beastly and doesn't want to hurt blah,blah,blah plus will have some mission that he will probably not let her in on. All to create distance of sorts. However I do think it is still plausible that he is being controlled. Which Cat will probably not know. More angst. Who would give him a mission or is it a personal one? Think the FBI brought him in and he will be working for them starting with taking on this Asian group that he did work for or took on previously. Vincent could be trying to earn his freedom or feels now that he is the beast he was intended to be that (like he has a purpose) and that he has no choice but to embrace it (or take orders) but struggles with that choice every time he encounters Cat this season. (as in wants to be a man) but he cant be with her of course. (he's dangerous)
4) Is it possible that someone can make him do things that he can not control or remember? Like he is programmed/programmed?
5) Yolie do you have a clip of Cat watching the video of the Muirfield guy warning her that Vincent showed her? I am really interested in that "elaborate" rogue agent scenario discussed in that episode. I have so many spec thoughts on that.
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Post by ragulr25 on Aug 30, 2013 22:14:49 GMT -5
1) Welcome back julz! Missed the speculating. 2) WHere is vincerine? If people have viewed 2x1 already I would assume it is way passed post production and I wonder what her finale sources could tell us. 3) If Vincent is holding flowers I can only assume they are for Catherine which means that he remembers her so we can scratch the memory loss scenario IMO. Not gonna be bringing some random girl flowers. He stayed away which will not be good IMO because he is different and more beastly and doesn't want to hurt blah,blah,blah plus will have some mission that he will probably not let her in on. All to create distance of sorts. However I do think it is still plausible that he is being controlled. Which Cat will probably not know. More angst. Who would give him a mission or is it a personal one? Think the FBI brought him in and he will be working for them starting with taking on this Asian group that he did work for or took on previously. Vincent could be trying to earn his freedom or feels now that he is the beast he was intended to be that (like he has a purpose) and that he has no choice but to embrace it (or take orders) but struggles with that choice every time he encounters Cat this season. (as in wants to be a man) but he cant be with her of course. (he's dangerous) 4) Is it possible that someone can make him do things that he can not control or remember? Like he is programmed/programmed? 5) Yolie do you have a clip of Cat watching the video of the Muirfield guy warning her that Vincent showed her? I am really interested in that "elaborate" rogue agent scenario discussed in that episode. I have so many spec thoughts on that. vincerine post was a treat to my eyes in s1. i really hope we hear from vincerine. i heard last season there were talks abt too much letting on i think thats why she is keeping her distance
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Post by curly on Aug 30, 2013 22:14:50 GMT -5
One more thing. Hey Yolie.... do you think it is possible that Muirfield and the FBI are one in the same. Remember Muirfield was the project name and just beause they keep calling it Muirfiled does not make it so. They all really assume everthing that goes on is Muirfield but Gabe could never adequately track them. JT or Vincnet do not have to know the real identity either. Its not like they have a shop or facility with their name on it or a business card. We have never seen a badge or a document. It has just been word of mouth... really. It would explain some of the conflicts in who captured him, who is Murfiled or FBI, the Daddy etc...Like the FBI are using the name MUirfield as a front name. It could also explain why Thomas told Cat that her mother did alot of classified GOVT work. Vanessa wasn't military. Does this make sense?
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Post by ragulr25 on Aug 30, 2013 22:19:00 GMT -5
One more thing. Hey Yolie.... do you think it is possible that Muirfield and the FBI are one in the same. Remember Muirfield was the project name and just beause they keep calling it Muirfiled does not make it so. They all really assume everthing that goes on is Muirfield but Gabe could never adequately track them. JT or Vincnet do not have to know the real identity either. Its not like they have a shop or facility with their name on it or a business card. We have never seen a badge or a document. It has just been word of mouth... really. It would explain some of the conflicts in who captured him, who is Murfiled or FBI, the Daddy etc...Like the FBI are using the name MUirfield as a front name. It could also explain why Thomas told Cat that her mother did alot of classified GOVT work. Vanessa wasn't military. Does this make sense? muirfield is not fbi .that is a military expt project which i think it will come under department of defense(DOD) or homeland security definitel not fbi. vanessa worked for the govt but definitely no fbi.my guess dod took control of her project and used it in military
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Post by curly on Aug 30, 2013 22:47:22 GMT -5
I don't buy the homeland security thing. That organization was created post 911 i think and they are in charge of protecting or securing the "homeland" or our borders and what is within it. I don't see them dealing in experiments. However the FBI is a federal agency that works closely with the military. In addition both the military and the FBI subcontract agencies that deal with security or weapons development. The other option is the CIA but I mean I guess Muirfield could be causing problems by now dealing or selling stuff with other countries or criminal organizations etc...and the FBI is trying to put the squeeze on them. Im just trying to figure out how the real daddy could be a good guy in all this mess. So I think him being FBI is a good possibility but why did he have to come in a clean up the beast mess himself. I thought I remember hearing that Muirifield will become less of an obstacle or player this season because there is another or badder organization and if he is not the head of Muirfield but FBI then there is something else left or missing or yet to be introduced.
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Post by ragulr25 on Aug 30, 2013 23:21:18 GMT -5
I don't buy the homeland security thing. That organization was created post 911 i think and they are in charge of protecting or securing the "homeland" or our borders and what is within it. I don't see them dealing in experiments. However the FBI is a federal agency that works closely with the military. In addition both the military and the FBI subcontract agencies that deal with security or weapons development. The other option is the CIA but I mean I guess Muirfield could be causing problems by now dealing or selling stuff with other countries or criminal organizations etc...and the FBI is trying to put the squeeze on them. Im just trying to figure out how the real daddy could be a good guy in all this mess. So I think him being FBI is a good possibility but why did he have to come in a clean up the beast mess himself. I thought I remember hearing that Muirifield will become less of an obstacle or player this season because there is another or badder organization and if he is not the head of Muirfield but FBI then there is something else left or missing or yet to be introduced. homeland security was created in 2002 and became famous after 9/11 that perfectly fits ur timeline .after 9/11 they made a deal with vanessa to make super soldiers .actually homeland security deals with the threats for us country from outside the world ie terrorist. i dont think fbi was the mastermind if it was them then the secret will be far out in the open ,dont u think??? in tv series role "fbi" is just a silly organisation and i dont think they can pull this much off.it is a pure military organisation they were always saying that it was a black ops agency and i dont think they r connected to fbi which this org is not a black ops . but if i m right the funding must have come from the (dod) only,there is no other way other organisation can pullthat even cia.. i would really like cat to follow the money trial which i m obvious will lead straight to white house and by the way fbi and cia does not come under homeland security. if ur assumption is true and fbi is putting a squeeze on them i think fbi is the one who will get squeezed.i still think it is run by most powerful organisation not he fbi .. but u may be right on cia involvement in this cuz they also have some expt soldiers on their sleeve .if fbi has super soldiers then i m hell positive that cia has definitely one.i think thats what this season is gonna be about .two mysterious organisations (M and --) fighting a war of super soldiers for the power..if u remember in ep 3 sebastian char sure looks like an assasin to me with enhanced power and all. apart from vincat mysterious soldiers appearing only proves that
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Aug 31, 2013 0:14:04 GMT -5
Curly FBI isn't really military. .remember that the Mierfirld experiment was a MILATARY EXPERIMENT so in order to be military it had to be from that type of division..That would be special ops..Army type thing.
I do think that it goes deeper them M...it's either a private organization who is funding it or a major kick ass organization associated with the military.
CURLY. You want the whole clip or just the tablet part?
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Post by DeadLikeWindsorJulz on Aug 31, 2013 0:43:29 GMT -5
1) Welcome back julz! Missed the speculating. 3) If Vincent is holding flowers I can only assume they are for Catherine which means that he remembers her so we can scratch the memory loss scenario IMO. Not gonna be bringing some random girl flowers. He stayed away which will not be good IMO because he is different and more beastly and doesn't want to hurt blah,blah,blah plus will have some mission that he will probably not let her in on. All to create distance of sorts. Thanks for the welcome curly! Love your posts - you make me laugh! I would say you are snarky like myself, but "snarky" sounds like a bad thing. I just love how you make your points with sarcasm and humor. And yes, I enjoy speculating back and forth with ya. So, here is one for you concerning #3 above: If it is true that V sees Cat at this mysterious "party" or "event", can you imagine what would be going through V's head when he sees her arrive with Gabe?!?! Let's see, hmm. "Holy crap, isn't he supposed to be dead?!?! Wait, Cat came here with HIM?!? Did she just try to get rid of me 3 months ago to be with him? *Cue the cool golden eye<edited>" He is just about insecure enough in their relationship to believe something that crazy!! OK, went a little crazy with the emoticons!!
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Post by ragulr25 on Aug 31, 2013 0:57:50 GMT -5
1) Welcome back julz! Missed the speculating. 3) If Vincent is holding flowers I can only assume they are for Catherine which means that he remembers her so we can scratch the memory loss scenario IMO. Not gonna be bringing some random girl flowers. He stayed away which will not be good IMO because he is different and more beastly and doesn't want to hurt blah,blah,blah plus will have some mission that he will probably not let her in on. All to create distance of sorts. Thanks for the welcome curly! Love your posts - you make me laugh! I would say you are snarky like myself, but "snarky" sounds like a bad thing. I just love how you make your points with sarcasm and humor. And yes, I enjoy speculating back and forth with ya. So, here is one for you concerning #3 above: If it is true that V sees Cat at this mysterious "party" or "event", can you imagine what would be going through V's head when he sees her arrive with Gabe?!?! Let's see, hmm. "Holy crap, isn't he supposed to be dead?!?! Wait, Cat came here with HIM?!? Did she just try to get rid of me 3 months ago to be with him? *Cue the cool golden eye<edited>" He is just about insecure enough in their relationship to believe something that crazy!! OK, went a little crazy with the emoticons!! i think there is always gonna be insecurities in both sides thats what this makes interesting
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Aug 31, 2013 1:13:51 GMT -5
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Post by anapi -season3baby :) on Aug 31, 2013 1:17:50 GMT -5
Thank you Yolie! Also while we are here debating the whole break-up possibility, can I just say that I don't believe for one minute that Vincent and Catherine will ever be truly broken up. I can see a lot of possibilities but for a break-up to be real, both of them or at the very least one of them has to really believe in it. I mean they can fight and make-up, they can have misunderstandings, they can ask for space or time... One of them can play the "I'm not the same person you fell in love with" card... I mean, really, though, come on, they aren't giving up on their love, which, last time I checked, was about the definition of a beak-up. Pfft. Please. They can tease all they like, I'll believe that one when I see it. ^WORD! well i really hope you are right. really do! but i am not so sure about that - i am kind of resigned to the fact that they will temporarily, based on what is also said on interviews but if they dont i will be a very happy girl
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Post by ragulr25 on Aug 31, 2013 2:58:42 GMT -5
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Post by ragulr25 on Aug 31, 2013 3:57:27 GMT -5
i think even if they release the promo it will be from the 2 leaked scenes. generally i think our promo will be bw 30 or 60 secs any new scenes would be great .its getting september here and they havent released the promo yet . tv reiewers r starting to get fall show for the review(castle,walking dead). from what i hear batb is still not have gone to the reviewers maybe cuzz we start in oct. we need reviewers support to get a hit on our belt .according to zap2it reporter is going to the set in this week or two ,so we will get more spoilers from next week
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Post by ragulr25 on Aug 31, 2013 4:17:04 GMT -5
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Aug 31, 2013 6:53:26 GMT -5
^WORD! well i really hope you are right. really do! but i am not so sure about that - i am kind of resigned to the fact that they will temporarily, based on what is also said on interviews but if they dont i will be a very happy girl Well maybe they will, but that is kind of what I'm talking about. Is it real? Do they both believe in the break-up? Is it a temporary misunderstanding based on - something that happens... or... I mean, I don't know, there is just a difference between something like that which is kind of a plot twist which turns back on itself as fast as it happened and a REAL break-up. Perhaps I'm just dismissive of the whole concept. It's kind of ridiculous.
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