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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Jun 20, 2013 13:09:26 GMT -5
*applauds spydancer* thanks for that! That's pretty much how I feel too about the whole situation but as you and others have mentioned, as long as the writers etc handle it carefully, and not mess with VinCat (I don't mind angst, I love angst). I know this isn't a popular opinion but I don't mind a 'medium' separation cause honestly if they resolve the Vincent thing in one episode or two, I think they would have rushed it. If they haven't learnt from last season, you can't try and fill the entire episode with 50 plot-points and not develop them all strongly. Therefore I hope the separation isn't too short and just wrapped up too quickly. Whew! Thanks. I always feel like I am walking in a minefield when it comes to spoilers and speculating... It's almost as tricky as writing the plot points! I'm open to whatever, but I think we can't go too long without getting them in the same room. I mean dream sequences and such can only carry us so far and then they at least have to be able to *see* each other. Anyway, there probably needs to be some central obstacle - whether the walls are real or imaginary walls created by someone or something remains to be seen. Anyway, I can't wait for them to start filming so we get something juicier, like a picture from the set or something of that sort.
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Post by xraygirl on Jun 20, 2013 14:43:51 GMT -5
Gotta say, I think that 'liar, liar' tweet was very skillfully worded to garner a reaction and perhaps to mislead. And judging by what I've heard (I'm not on twitter), she certainly succeeded! Funny thing is, a lot of people automatically assumed (by design, I think) that she was talking about Vincent when in fact, I can't think of a single occasion where Vincent outright lied to Catherine. Withheld information? Yes. Outright lied? No. And yes, we can get into the argument of whether they are the same but remember Catherine did the same thing to Vincent in 'Playing with Fire'. We have no idea what Vincent knows, how much and when he found out. More importantly, we don't know WHY he is withholding the information. Is it dangerous? Was she threatened? Is he afraid for her safety? Did he not want to blow up her life and everything she knew and cause her pain? All of these points could be used as huge mitigating factors for not saying anything. Maybe the lies are about Vincent. Who knows? And here's an interesting question I don't think anyone's brought up...WHY is Home Land Security sending an email about Bad daddy's whereabouts to Good Daddy?? Could be the lies they're talking about come from him. So many possibilities. So until I have absolute confirmation that the writers have <edited>*KED it up, I remain firmly on Team Pollyanna and will think only positive thoughts and believe that Season 2 will knock it out of the park. Time will tell if I'm off my nut or if my hidden super-power of seeing the future has once again served me well.
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Post by kiki09 on Jun 20, 2013 15:18:44 GMT -5
^ Lol!! Agreed. I refuse to be bated by these tweets lol! I HOPE season will be behind great but I'll keep my expect ions low just on case it doesn't go they way I would want/hope. However, I'm still VERY excited for season 2.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 20, 2013 15:38:35 GMT -5
I'm thinking it was tweeted for a reaction from us..I think the initial tweet was made to attack attention and to bring out a reaction to the fans secondly giving us something to talk about this looooong 5 months which thankfully is now 4 months! Can you believe it's already been a month today since Never Turn Back aired?? Time is passing slowly but surely ...in no time we'll have bts pics from Austin. I HOPE!!...remember shooting starts mid July!
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Post by xraygirl on Jun 20, 2013 16:09:44 GMT -5
^ Lol!! Agreed. I refuse to be bated by these tweets lol! I HOPE season will be behind great but I'll keep my expect ions low just on case it doesn't go they way I would want/hope. However, I'm still VERY excited for season 2. Ah, kiki09. My first potential 'Team Pollyanna' co-member!! **hands you temporary card** Try it on for size! See if you like it. Trust me, 'Team Polly' (I like to call it that for short. Sounds wicked cool, don'cha think? ) is much better for your digestion and your blood pressure!! Added bonus....you never go thirsty 'cause the glass is always half full! Get back to me if you wanna become a full fledged member. Anyone else out there interested? Bueller? Bueller? Also, our team mascot will naturally be the . With Yolie's permission, of course. I believe she currently holds the rights on Jay's Dancing Banana. I wouldn't want any copyright infringement lawsuits to deal with!
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Post by MissMonroe on Jun 20, 2013 16:26:54 GMT -5
Gotta say, I think that 'liar, liar' tweet was very skillfully worded to garner a reaction and perhaps to mislead. And judging by what I've heard (I'm not on twitter), she certainly succeeded! Funny thing is, a lot of people automatically assumed (by design, I think) that she was talking about Vincent when in fact, I can't think of a single occasion where Vincent outright lied to Catherine. Withheld information? Yes. Outright lied? No. And yes, we can get into the argument of whether they are the same but remember Catherine did the same thing to Vincent in 'Playing with Fire'. We have no idea what Vincent knows, how much and when he found out. More importantly, we don't know WHY he is withholding the information. Is it dangerous? Was she threatened? Is he afraid for her safety? Did he not want to blow up her life and everything she knew and cause her pain? All of these points could be used as huge mitigating factors for not saying anything. Maybe the lies are about Vincent. Who knows? And here's an interesting question I don't think anyone's brought up...WHY is Home Land Security sending an email about Bad daddy's whereabouts to Good Daddy?? Could be the lies they're talking about come from him. So many possibilities. So until I have absolute confirmation that the writers have <edited>*KED it up, I remain firmly on Team Pollyanna and will think only positive thoughts and believe that Season 2 will knock it out of the park. Time will tell if I'm off my nut or if my hidden super-power of seeing the future has once again served me well. I agree with you. This is more or less what I was trying to say in my last post, but I think you came across more clear.
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Post by xraygirl on Jun 20, 2013 16:44:15 GMT -5
Gotta say, I think that 'liar, liar' tweet was very skillfully worded to garner a reaction and perhaps to mislead. And judging by what I've heard (I'm not on twitter), she certainly succeeded! Funny thing is, a lot of people automatically assumed (by design, I think) that she was talking about Vincent when in fact, I can't think of a single occasion where Vincent outright lied to Catherine. Withheld information? Yes. Outright lied? No. And yes, we can get into the argument of whether they are the same but remember Catherine did the same thing to Vincent in 'Playing with Fire'. We have no idea what Vincent knows, how much and when he found out. More importantly, we don't know WHY he is withholding the information. Is it dangerous? Was she threatened? Is he afraid for her safety? Did he not want to blow up her life and everything she knew and cause her pain? All of these points could be used as huge mitigating factors for not saying anything. Maybe the lies are about Vincent. Who knows? And here's an interesting question I don't think anyone's brought up...WHY is Home Land Security sending an email about Bad daddy's whereabouts to Good Daddy?? Could be the lies they're talking about come from him. So many possibilities. So until I have absolute confirmation that the writers have <edited>*KED it up, I remain firmly on Team Pollyanna and will think only positive thoughts and believe that Season 2 will knock it out of the park. Time will tell if I'm off my nut or if my hidden super-power of seeing the future has once again served me well. I agree with you. This is more or less what I was trying to say in my last post, but I think you came across more clear. Hey, don't sell yourself short! I went back and read your post. You were clear as a bell! If anything, I was was just reiterating what you said first. Either way, I'm just happy when someone agrees with me! LOL Great minds and all that!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 20, 2013 18:43:56 GMT -5
Also, our team mascot will naturally be the . With Yolie's permission, of course. I believe she currently holds the rights on Jay's Dancing Banana. I wouldn't want any copyright infringement lawsuits to deal with! It's okay to use it..JUST REMEMBER belongs to me!
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Post by xraygirl on Jun 20, 2013 19:03:33 GMT -5
Also, our team mascot will naturally be the . With Yolie's permission, of course. I believe she currently holds the rights on Jay's Dancing Banana. I wouldn't want any copyright infringement lawsuits to deal with! It's okay to use it..JUST REMEMBER belongs to me! Never doubted it for a second, Yolie! Don't you worry. I know better than to come between you and the !! I like breathing and you know...living, too much to go there! LOL
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 20, 2013 21:25:25 GMT -5
It's okay to use it..JUST REMEMBER belongs to me! Never doubted it for a second, Yolie! Don't you worry. I know better than to come between you and the !! I like breathing and you know...living, too much to go there! LOL With this post! OMG what have I done! Corrupted ALL of you BAD BAD BAD Yolie
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Post by xraygirl on Jun 20, 2013 21:38:49 GMT -5
Never doubted it for a second, Yolie! Don't you worry. I know better than to come between you and the !! I like breathing and you know...living, too much to go there! LOL With this post! OMG what have I done! Corrupted ALL of you BAD BAD BAD Yolie Oh Yolie, don't beat yourself up. Trust me, I was a big sicko before you gotta hold of me!! LOL. I'm just glad I found somewhere I feel comfortable letting my pervy self all hang out! Mmmmmm.....banana...
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 20, 2013 21:42:06 GMT -5
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 20, 2013 22:13:32 GMT -5
I think the idea of 'liar liar pants on fire' can now also be directed at Thomas too..Remember if he must have known about real daddy cause if he did receive notice that he was back in the country and wanted to warn Catherine before he got hit with the car tells me that he too has a lot of secrets and has lied to Catherine for most of her life...This man knew from the get go that Catherine wasn't his daughter. But then again we have to give him credit too cause he raised and loved her like his own...BUT then again..I've said it before..What if he is really the baddy and real daddy is out to destroy M and to expose M ? This means Daddy Chandler is the baddy! OH BOY!! LOL I hope this all gets answered I'm getting an ulcer just waiting for the answers
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Jun 20, 2013 23:43:10 GMT -5
I've been following the teasers coming out from the writers. They are an evil bunch as far as I'm concerned. I mean that in a complimentary way, in that their teasers are endlessly frustrating. But it's still nice that they tease :-) Anyway, here's my two cents worth: The show is like a house of cards built upon the bedrock foundation of Vincat. They have to make very strategic, careful moves when they mess with Vincat, yet at the same time, if they do nothing, the audience gets bored. It's very tricky. Honestly it would have been easier from a writer's perspective to keep them separate longer. Anyway, the point is that the whole show is built on that Vincat foundation... I mean, there are plenty of other interesting bits and characters, but if you mess with that foundation, the house of cards is toast. The fanbase is basically in love with Jay Ryan/Vincent and hooked on Vincent and Catherine's relationship. I know that we are a devoted surly bunch but the show is not impenetrable - like a house of cards or wall of glass, be careful where you throw rocks or how you shake the foundation. That is the dilemma as I see it. I'm sorry if I speak in metaphors, but it's just the way I think... The question is how to create angsty drama with Vincent and Catherine without shaking the foundation of their relationship... As we all know, the real drama is in the lies and the betrayals, yet if we go down that road, it is very difficult not to erode the characters and/or the relationship, all of which are critical to the success of the show - if you ask me. Some choices are just off limits. And I believe some of the time, what "looks like" or "sounds like" major betrayals and lies will reveal itself to be something else entirely. We just have to buckle our seat belts and prepare for a bumpy ride. I hate to speculate further at this point, as the possibilities are endless. Wow, Spydancer...could not have said it better! Thanks!
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