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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Jun 19, 2013 18:42:34 GMT -5
I don't think at this point we need to worry too much They are just teasers. We know the VinCat relationship is going to be tested this season. We don't know who the liar is with their pants on fire If we start fretting at this point we will all have ulcers by October and no amount of tums will help!! LMAO!!! That's right, Mrs. Forbes, we need to take a deep breath before we reach for the Tums (I wonder if the manufacturers of that brand realizes how much free advertising they are getting thanks to JT? ). Using such a strong word as "liar" tells me that there is no way they could be referring to Vincent. As pointed out, it would end the show. Albeit, Vincent obviously isn't telling all he knows. He may be keeping his knowledge from her for many reasons. He may not know for certain; he may think she is better off not knowing; he may want to keep her from being hurt; he may not feel comfortable telling her. Nonetheless, she is going to discover the truth AND find out Vincent kept info from her. The big "liar" has to be someone else. Maybe "M", or her bio ("bad") Daddy, or the man she calls her "Dad." Who knows? They may even be talking about Gabe! LOL!!! VinCat will have issues this year. We need a little angst. A situation that destroys TRUST would be detrimental to the show. (Out and out lies destroy trust, respect, and love.) Viewers would be reluctant to tune in....why, because the real "liars" would be the writers/producers, etc., of a beloved TV show hailed as an "epic" love story.
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 19, 2013 21:41:24 GMT -5
Very good points lilbit. But the fear lies that the writers have screwed what might have been a good story line before....That's why I'm hesitant to trust them. I understand that EPIC would go down the toilet if Vincent would be a 'liar'...all I have is hope! That's the last thing I lose.
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Post by curly on Jun 19, 2013 22:34:35 GMT -5
Thanks lilbit, Exactly!!! Being a LIAR is so bad. It implies intent. No likey at all. I am reserving my judgement to see how this plays out but this lady's tweet is ripe for the picking. Im not anxious at all but your last paragraph pretty much sums it up. Outright lies is "detrimental" no doubt about it to Vincents character, their relationship and the viewership if it is in fact him. I just don't get how the writers can retract or Vincent could hinder Cat finding out more about her mom after what he said to her in Anniversary about finding answers etc...They will probably act like it never happened or brush over it like always which is what I mean by the writer are never on the same page with each other so... Yolie - I don't trust them either. Going this Liar" route would be a tedious and jumbled up with awkward ending conversations while moving backwards and obviously no dancing bananas.LOL
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 19, 2013 22:39:27 GMT -5
Thanks lilbit, Exactly!!! Being a LIAR is so bad. It implies intent. No likey at all. I am reserving my judgement to see how this plays out but this lady's tweet is ripe for the picking. Im not anxious at all but your last paragraph pretty much sums it up. Outright lies is "detrimental" no doubt about it to Vincents character, their relationship and the viewership. I just don't get how the writers can retract or Vincent could hinder Cat finding out more about her mom after what he said to her in Anniversary about finding answers etc...They will probably act like it never happened or brush over it like always which is what I mean by the writer are never on the same page with each other so... Yolie - I don't trust them either. Going this Liar" route would be a tedious and jumbled up with awkward ending conversations while moving backwards and obviously no dancing bananas.LOL LOL dancing bananas will come far and between....it will be complicated and very hard to accommodate a Vin Cat romance if the lying thing becomes a thing about Vincent...BOO
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Jun 19, 2013 22:44:57 GMT -5
I think we are the ones with TRUST issues now. I hope the new additions (writers) will be an asset to the team bringing continuity and depth to the plotlines. I think the veterans have learned a great deal during Season 1. We need to trust the writers to do their jobs - to know their audience; recognize their strengths/weaknesses in the "writing room;" and most importantly, be true to the cherished characters they created for us. Think positive!
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Post by curly on Jun 19, 2013 22:48:20 GMT -5
Oh and no fretting here just an "oh boy here we go" attitude. LOL We have been there before. Sometimes its just better to beat it to death with bitter spec so that you will be pleasantly surprised when it turns out better than you gave them credit for. Its definitely a faith issue Yolie, your right! And I think this season we will be in for it too. I suppose the Liar Liar part of tweet does not have to be in reference to the other part of Vincat being in for it but it certainly cleverly reads that way so....they are already at it and so will we I guess. LOL
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Jun 19, 2013 23:07:24 GMT -5
Oh and no fretting here just an "oh boy here we go" attitude. LOL We have been there before. Sometimes its just better to beat it to death with bitter spec so that you will be pleasantly surprised when it turns out better than you gave them credit for. Its definitely a faith issue Yolie, your right! And I think this season we will be in for it too. I suppose the Liar Liar part of tweet does not have to be in reference to the other part of Vincat being in for it but it certainly cleverly reads that way so....they are already at it and so will we I guess. LOL LOL!!! I totally agree, Curly. Beating it to death does help! We hash out the worst/best case scenarios, share different "takes" on what could happen, and bite our nails waiting for Season 2! Much rather be pleasantly surprised!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 19, 2013 23:36:55 GMT -5
BTW I asked the writers on twitter if the liar liar thing was Vincent for keeping things from Catherine and I got mum...in other words nada...b7t 8 expected that but at least I tried
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Post by crazyforv on Jun 19, 2013 23:39:45 GMT -5
I think we are the ones with TRUST issues now. I hope the new additions (writers) will be an asset to the team bringing continuity and depth to the plotlines. I think the veterans have learned a great deal during Season 1. We need to trust the writers to do their jobs - to know their audience; recognize their strengths/weaknesses in the "writing room;" and most importantly, be true to the cherished characters they created for us. Think positive! I love what you wrote ... to quote JT, " A return to reason!"
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Jun 19, 2013 23:40:03 GMT -5
BTW I asked the writers on twitter if the liar liar thing was Vincent for keeping things from Catherine and I got mum...in other words nada...b7t 8 expected that but at least I tried Thanks for trying, Yolie. They don't want to give up that info....heck, we wouldn't all be reaching for the Tums if they did - LOL! Still betting the "liar, liar" comment is not about Vincent. Too much at stake.
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Post by lilbit-XO-VinCat on Jun 19, 2013 23:43:09 GMT -5
I think we are the ones with TRUST issues now. I hope the new additions (writers) will be an asset to the team bringing continuity and depth to the plotlines. I think the veterans have learned a great deal during Season 1. We need to trust the writers to do their jobs - to know their audience; recognize their strengths/weaknesses in the "writing room;" and most importantly, be true to the cherished characters they created for us. Think positive! I love what you wrote ... to quote JT, " A return to reason!" Aw, shucks, crazyfox...that was really sweet of you to say!
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Post by VinCat❤Destined on Jun 19, 2013 23:43:24 GMT -5
BTW I asked the writers on twitter if the liar liar thing was Vincent for keeping things from Catherine and I got mum...in other words nada...b7t 8 expected that but at least I tried Thanks for trying, Yolie. They don't want to give up that info....heck, we wouldn't all be reaching for the Tums if they did - LOL! Still betting the "liar, liar" comment is not about Vincent. Too much at stake. LOL I know I tried anyway...I will try to have faith in the writers
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Post by MissMonroe on Jun 20, 2013 0:33:43 GMT -5
On the "liar" thing, that could be taken in so many directions. It could be Catherine's father. it could be Gabe. It could be Thomas, it could be someone else connected with M. Yes, we've been given reason to believe Vincent knows more than he's let on about things - but I truly believe if he's kept something major from Catherine, the writers would have to give him really good strong reason to do so. Vincent loves her. He's let her into places he hasn't let anyone else and vice versa. Even if there is a lie at play I don't think he would ever knowingly keep something from her unless there was something else big going along with it of which he had no control or say over or had life or death stakes attached. I think the writers know this.
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Post by SpydancerLovesVincat on Jun 20, 2013 12:36:02 GMT -5
I've been following the teasers coming out from the writers. They are an evil bunch as far as I'm concerned. I mean that in a complimentary way, in that their teasers are endlessly frustrating. But it's still nice that they tease :-) Anyway, here's my two cents worth: The show is like a house of cards built upon the bedrock foundation of Vincat. They have to make very strategic, careful moves when they mess with Vincat, yet at the same time, if they do nothing, the audience gets bored. It's very tricky. Honestly it would have been easier from a writer's perspective to keep them separate longer. Anyway, the point is that the whole show is built on that Vincat foundation... I mean, there are plenty of other interesting bits and characters, but if you mess with that foundation, the house of cards is toast. The fanbase is basically in love with Jay Ryan/Vincent and hooked on Vincent and Catherine's relationship. I know that we are a devoted surly bunch but the show is not impenetrable - like a house of cards or wall of glass, be careful where you throw rocks or how you shake the foundation. That is the dilemma as I see it. I'm sorry if I speak in metaphors, but it's just the way I think... The question is how to create angsty drama with Vincent and Catherine without shaking the foundation of their relationship... As we all know, the real drama is in the lies and the betrayals, yet if we go down that road, it is very difficult not to erode the characters and/or the relationship, all of which are critical to the success of the show - if you ask me. Some choices are just off limits. And I believe some of the time, what "looks like" or "sounds like" major betrayals and lies will reveal itself to be something else entirely. We just have to buckle our seat belts and prepare for a bumpy ride. I hate to speculate further at this point, as the possibilities are endless.
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Post by kiki09 on Jun 20, 2013 12:53:05 GMT -5
*applauds spydancer* thanks for that! That's pretty much how I feel too about the whole situation but as you and others have mentioned, as long as the writers etc handle it carefully, and not mess with VinCat (I don't mind angst, I love angst).
I know this isn't a popular opinion but I don't mind a 'medium' separation cause honestly if they resolve the Vincent thing in one episode or two, I think they would have rushed it. If they haven't learnt from last season, you can't try and fill the entire episode with 50 plot-points and not develop them all strongly. Therefore I hope the separation isn't too short and just wrapped up too quickly.
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