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Post by Fire And Ice on Feb 15, 2013 13:53:36 GMT -5
Live viewing & DVR is counted for Nielson families only. I think I've even seen the writers and actors encouraging people to watch on both, but it's Twitter. Not enough space for them to explain Nielson process. PLUS Nielson is how the US makes it work; there are different systems elsewhere. I know Nielson does do some other countries, but not sure if they are the "go-to" in those countries for ratings. I only know how the US works its out-dated system. HOWEVER, it is true that some cable and satellite providers do have any idea of what you are watching & DVRing (or at least what you're tuned in for), but this has more to do, I believe, with the negotiations between networks and your service providers. If CW gets those numbers, they probably pay little notice to them at the end of the day. Internet viewing, if you can watch on CW's site or Hulu. CW has deal with Hulu & Netflix, so they pay attention to those numbers. They've said they do. I'll weigh in on the numbers after the final numbers are in. Talking about the 0.5 doesn't really do much good (just gives people a chance to call BATB a flop on a certain site : -- a 0.5 is low even if it was V-Day, but not bad if we look at 0.6 from last week. BUT I'm going to wait to see if we adjust up to 0.6 and hope we don't go down to 0.4. I will say that at this point, it is important that BATB get its Nielson viewers back even with an adjustment up this week. But remember that a lot more goes into it, including internet, international numbers, production costs, and so on. Plus we have a few fan campaigns. So there are ways for every Beastie to get involved in helping the show out.
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Post by dickens on Feb 15, 2013 14:01:29 GMT -5
Great, I will look forward to it. I think Itunes is important too. I am encouraging friends to subscribe to the season, not just random purchases. Going to fire up the computer for some BATB episode viewing!!
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Post by Fire And Ice on Feb 15, 2013 17:56:49 GMT -5
Great, I will look forward to it. I think Itunes is important too. I am encouraging friends to subscribe to the season, not just random purchases. Going to fire up the computer for some BATB episode viewing!! dickens, great point! iTunes purchases & Amazon season/episode purchases help as well. (I think Amazon's US site is the only one that allows purchases of BATB though, whereas iTunes is allowing outside of US Beasties the ability to purchase...not sure if that's accurate, so if I'm wrong, someone correct me.) Final numbers are in. BATB didn't adjust down, but it also didn't adjust up. Still, let's be happy it didn't adjust down. I saw TCD fans are saying this will help their chances of renewal. Nope. Bye, TCD. Seriously, the only way I see TCD getting renewed over BATB is if BATB's numbers continue to go down & TCD starts pulling amazing numbers and never goes below 0.7 for the rest of its run. So how could TCD get a renewal? Possibly as a midseason order, but I have a feeling that CW is going to choose to make their midseason order one of the new Pilots they have. Really if you can go with promoting a new show or a show that hasn't done well, you're going with new show if you can afford it. The only reason BATB has, imo, a good shot for fall despite not great #s is because, from what I've heard, it is cheap to produce (due to it having Canadian production), has good international sales, has a dedicated fanbase (this doesn't always mean anything but some shows have been saved based on their followings), it is a supernatural/fantasy show which CW seems to be currently moving toward a full station of that (based on Pilot orders), and CW is only going to want to launch maybe 3 new shows in Fall so BATB is one of the shows they could go with. So based on this week, I'm still going with HOD and BATB. Next week could see some changes as HOD didn't air this week, Cult is about to premiere, and BATB will need to get its numbers back up to 0.6 or higher -- again, preferably a 0.7. However, I wouldn't be surprised if it goes back, based on this week's numbers, to a "Bubble Show" on ratings websites. But I never had BATB off the Bubble. I just think that in its current Toss-Up status, it has a better chance of renewal than all (non-renewed) shows except Nikita & HOD. Here are the rankings for all CW shows this week. In an interesting turn of events, CW's #1 show TVD is in the #3 spot this week. Valentine's Day drop. Another reason I'm not too worried about the 0.5 this week. It will matter if BATB stays at 0.5 or drops lower next week. I am not saying our numbers depend on TVD. I'm merely pointing out the fact that some of BATB viewers, such as my mom, are fans of both TVD and BATB. I'm thinking some people went out for Valentine's Day and that is why we saw another 0.1 drop. But that's all speculation. Let's hope we go back up next week. CW Rankings for this "Valentine's" Week*: (Show Name - demo/share - viewers in million) 1. ARROW - 1.1/3 - 3.29 2. SPN - 1.0/3 - 2.41 3. TVD - 1.0/3 - 2.31 4. BATB - 0.5/1 - 1.40 5. TCD - 0.5/2 - 1.20 6. 90210 - 0.3/1 - 0.66 * The list doesn't include HOD or Nikita, which didn't air this week. Next week should be interesting with Cult added in. I watched the Pilot on Hulu. (It's also available on CW's site.) I didn't like it. There were parts that were interesting, but overall didn't make me want to tune in for episode 2. It was OK. I'm not sure what to predict ratings-wise... will having it online hurt it? help it? I'm not sure. It didn't help Emily Owens. Does anyone know if Arrow or BATB were up a week early? I think they weren't. I know Emily Owens was up a bit early though as I watched it ahead of time. If anyone knows, please share. Thanks. Here are my current predictions (listed in order of most likely to least likely)... RENEWED: Nikita HOD BATB CANCELLED: 90210 TCD TOO EARLY TO CALL: Cult
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Post by KKW.COM on Feb 15, 2013 18:34:05 GMT -5
I don't see next week doing well... It's Valentines, people are out with their love one. I honestly don't even know if I'll be home to watch the series live next week sadly... I was right...
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Post by lety26 on Feb 15, 2013 18:57:36 GMT -5
I hope we get a second season, though right now... I don't know could go either way, sadly
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Post by dickens on Feb 15, 2013 19:12:56 GMT -5
We seem to have a lot of international support when we do twitter trending. I am going to start including an encouragement for the international fans to buy on itunes too. Maybe some of them will translate into spanish, italian and french for us. I think some people think watching it on DVR helps even if you aren't a neilson family. Better to watch on the CW site. At least then you are counted. On renewal, I totally agree with your reasoning. I think we still have a great chance based on all the factors. I think we need to stay focused and positive.
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Post by twitterevan on Feb 15, 2013 19:53:26 GMT -5
Hey Everyone. Just want to clear up one thing DVR ratings count for everyone! Not just Nielsen families. Cable companies now report same day watchers, these count toward ratings, 3 and 7 days viewings are also counted but don't help with ratings. Although 3 and 7 day DVR viewing does not count toward ratings it does help CW sell the show to overseas marks. They have an increased number of viewers to point to and say this many people watched the show. If a show is borderline for renewing these overseas sales help determine a shows fate. Its extremely important to watch your DVRs with in the first 24 hours after the show ends without fast forwarding through commercials. That data is seen and factored in. If you want to read way more than you ever wanted to know about DVR and ratings here are a couple links. IT DOES MATTER! people.howstuffworks.com/culture-traditions/tv-and-culture/dvr-viewings-tv-ratings1.htmtvline.com/2012/10/18/fall-tv-2012-dvr-ratings-increases/
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Post by evanarose on Feb 15, 2013 20:30:59 GMT -5
Ekk...not liking how it's going either way! It's like you read the CW guy saying Batb got a long run ahead of it, and then the ratings drop So it's like I hope he doesn't change his mind.. And you hear batb won the PCAs, so it doesn't make sense for batb to win best new drama and possibly not get another season! I hope those numbers aren't the main source, like I heard they put the other factors like international sales and so on...but I hope they don't take this as the 'primary' decision resource and take the others with a grain of salt. Especially since, I think there are alot of people that don't watch it live- due to work, etc..I would think they would at least give the audience the weekend to catch up on watching...then put the ratings.. According to a twitter post:- May16, 2013 is date of cancel/renew “@tvbythenumbers When Will You Know If Your Favorite Show Is Canceled or Renewed? bit.ly/XJSaJU According to this batb is in the danger zone again: www.spoilertv.com/2012/09/the-spoilertv-cancellation-predictor.htmlSomeone mentioned on twitter also apparently if you skip the commercials, they don't count it towards ratings?
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Post by oa on Feb 15, 2013 20:38:04 GMT -5
dang it a holiday, especially valentines day is not a good day to air any show, no matter how good! ratings are definitely going down! its obvious! i just hope they take this into consideration when looking at the ratings for renewal!
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Post by Andromeda03 on Feb 15, 2013 22:11:34 GMT -5
It's like you read the CW guy saying Batb got a long run ahead of it, and then the ratings drop So it's like I hope he doesn't change his mind.. And you hear batb won the PCAs, so it doesn't make sense for batb to win best new drama and possibly not get another season! Unfortunately, Moonlight fans know the reality of this all too well. In 2008 Moonlight won the PCA for Favorite New TV Drama and still got cancelled. Of course that was the year of the writers strike...so, it's likely that played a role in cancellation. But I'd just hate for people to get 'comfortable' and think that because BatB won a PCA that it makes a second season more likely. True, it sends a good message to the CW, given that the only other show to do that was TVD (I believe) but if they don't think the viewers are there...that award doesn't mean anything. Not to mention, just because the guy at CW says it has a long run, doesn't mean he can't change his mind a couple weeks/months from now. Moonves of CBS said a similar thing with Moonlight, and it was still cancelled. So in the end, it's very very important that ratings go up, campaigns start early to let them know we want a second season, people should send some sort of feedback to the CW (via their site, the facebook page, their twitter pages, however you can), watch the episodes on the cw site, DVR views, and the trending on twitter and every thing else that anyone has mentioned. We still have hope for BatB, but there is also still a need to be politely aggressive.
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Post by Fire And Ice on Feb 16, 2013 3:34:38 GMT -5
I don't see next week doing well... It's Valentines, people are out with their love one. I honestly don't even know if I'll be home to watch the series live next week sadly... I was right... What are you thoughts about this upcoming week? I'm a little worried about whether or not we'll hit 0.7 again. I'm kind of thinking we'll see 0.6. I hope not! It was in the paper - mom saw - where they said BATB was doing poorly in the ratings. My mother doesn't even use the internet right now because her laptop is getting repaired, so this was something in an entertainment column or something like that. She knew BATB's live viewers numbers and was talking about it. Makes me a little worried. My mother is not one who keeps up with a show's renewal/cancellation factors. If she likes a show, she'll call me and go, "Is this show safe?" haha. The fact though that it's so widespread that BATB is not exactly safe worries me slightly because some Nielson families may choose not to keep watching IF they think there is no point. Also people may not watch online, internationally, and so on. I hope we get a second season, though right now... I don't know could go either way, sadly It could. Based on my current prediction, BATB is still holding on for renewal, but it could go either way... BUT it's not time to give up home. Keep watching. Keep supporting the show via social media. & Participate in the fan campaigns (petition, BATB book, & collage video) as all of these are getting sent to the network heads. We seem to have a lot of international support when we do twitter trending. I am going to start including an encouragement for the international fans to buy on itunes too. Maybe some of them will translate into spanish, italian and french for us. I think some people think watching it on DVR helps even if you aren't a neilson family. Better to watch on the CW site. At least then you are counted. On renewal, I totally agree with your reasoning. I think we still have a great chance based on all the factors. I think we need to stay focused and positive. I think starting something to encourage viewers outside of the US to tune in as a great idea! Are you on Twitter? If so, what's your name? If you Tweet about this or make a post, I'll be sure to Tweet and also put it on my Tumblr. Just let me know. I can also add something to the fan campaign website. Hey Everyone. Just want to clear up one thing DVR ratings count for everyone! Not just Nielsen families. Cable companies now report same day watchers, these count toward ratings, 3 and 7 days viewings are also counted but don't help with ratings. Although 3 and 7 day DVR viewing does not count toward ratings it does help CW sell the show to overseas marks. They have an increased number of viewers to point to and say this many people watched the show. If a show is borderline for renewing these overseas sales help determine a shows fate. Its extremely important to watch your DVRs with in the first 24 hours after the show ends without fast forwarding through commercials. That data is seen and factored in. If you want to read way more than you ever wanted to know about DVR and ratings here are a couple links. IT DOES MATTER! people.howstuffworks.com/culture-traditions/tv-and-culture/dvr-viewings-tv-ratings1.htmtvline.com/2012/10/18/fall-tv-2012-dvr-ratings-increases/Perhaps I am reading those wrong, so I will follow-up with people who work in TV and who either number crunch or can easily walk over to a department and get me the info I need. But from everything I've been previous told, from what I've gathered from those articles you posted (as well as others I've read), & if you go to Nielson's website, it explains that they are now tracking Nielson family's DVR usage. They actually install a device on the DVR system that tracks the views. Go ahead and look at your own box or contact Dish Network, Comcast, ATT, DirectTV and so on to ask. They don't report their numbers to Nielson about you and there's no camera in there that's watching who you while you watch your TV so there's no way to know who is watching that DVR'ed episode. (Though your service provider will admit they keep track, but they'll say it's for "quality purposes" -- it's also for their negotiations with the networks. AND DishNetwork has something with the Hopper & Advertisers that's brand new. More about that later.) This is not to say that, for example, Dish Network (which is my service provider) doesn't know what I've DVR'ed or what I live watch. They do. If I go and login to the account online I can even see what I have scheduled to DVR and make adjustments across my family's multiple DVRs (We have 6 or 7 in this house. My mom DVRs a lot!). Dish Network uses that data in negotiations with CBS/WB when it comes to how much they'll pay to have the CW. Anyone with Dish Network will know that Dish has had fights with Fox and the parent company that has like WE, AMC, etc. For a while AMC wasn't on Dish and AMC was actually trying to get "The Walking Dead" fans to leave Dish Network for like Direct TV or some other service provider that had AMC. Eventually contract negotiations were successful between AMC & Dish and the Walking Dead is now back on. So while CW gets DVR numbers, they don't matter to advertisers. Here's what matters to advertisers, not the amount of people watching, but the amount of people watching IN THE DEMO. That's 18-49 yo. Now I'm in that demo. My dad, for example, is not. He's a bit too old. If CW gets info from Dish Network that someone in my household watched, well, for one thing, I'm not the name on the account so Dish doesn't even know I live here. But let's say CW goes with the Census (which they wouldn't but lets assume they immensely care about my household) and they look at the Census and go, "Oh! There is a girl in that household in our key demo! YES!" But wait. How do they know whether or not the person DVR'ing Beauty & the Beast was me or was my dad who pays for that account. They wouldn't. So the advertisers wouldn't count it. NOW I'm not saying that people shouldn't watch on TV and DVRs. CW does eventually get those numbers. What I don't want people to be confused about is that CW cares about the DEMO. Why? Because the reason ratings matter is that ADVERTISERS pay the networks for air time on the network during certain shows. How much the advertisers pay and whether or not they are willing to even buy air time at certain times depends on how many people between the ages of 18-49 are watching at that time. DVR numbers that are being counted and help towards ratings are through Nielson's system (as the articles reference). Those are installed on Nielson families DVR systems. Nielson gives the families with TV and DVRs being monitored these "remotes." There is a button or code for each family member. Let's say there are 2 people in the household. Bob is 1. Jane is 2. When they watch TV it will ask who is watching. If it's Bob he clicks 1, if it's Jane, she chooses 2. If they have a guest over, they'll click 3. (I think you need to put in Guests name and age -- not sure). Two quotes from the article to show I'm not just trying to be a pain in the ass here... So, while Chris Harrison is wrong when he insisted that DVRed shows don’t count, if you’re a Nielsen family and you wait five days to watch The Bachelorette because Ashley is so boring, you aren’t helping to inflate Chris’ paycheck, but your viewership will be noted and potentially included in a press release. So if you’re a Nielsen household that’s not indulging in Scandal until, say, Monday, your vote for President Fitzgerald Grant is, frankly, a lost one. TVbytheNumbers has also said that it's all about Nielson and their DVRs. I think the issue is that the articles out there are so vague that it's confusing everyone. Plus networks don't go "We have 1.3 out of the small percentage of households being monitored." haha. Instead they spin like that's the world we're talking about, not Nielson's math determining based on a few households and maybe 100,000 people (as that one article stated) out of everyone in the US. If you guys want, in March, I will call around and confirm stats about DVRs. I know people who work for broadcasters and networks. I'm going to ask (politely) for my friends to just explain to me how this now works with DVRs and if I'm wrong about it. It won't be an issue. I have to follow-up with one anyway so it's not a big deal. It allows me the opportunity to catch up with people and network. BUT Internet does count, CW President has said they are looking at CW's website AND Hulu. Hulu because the CW made a huge deal with them to have CW shows on there and if you watch, you'll see a lot of CW commercials on Hulu. (Kind of frustrating for me because I've seen ZERO for BATB, but I've seen other shows' commercials.) Here's an article about how Hulu and internet usage is being looked at by networks: www.nytimes.com/2012/03/05/business/media/dvrs-and-streaming-prompt-a-shift-in-the-top-rated-tv-shows.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0I will say that DishNetwork has "the Hopper" on some of their households. One of the unique things about the Hopper is that it's going after a Hulu model in that it's allowing viewers to actually tailor the ads they see to what they like. This is a brand new program, so it won't influence BATB at all, but I think it's interesting. Though I don't think Hulu's thing is that succesful. I click all the time "No" when I hate an Ad/have no interest in that product/service. I'll still see that ad 3,000 times if, for example, GEICO is the one that is sponsoring that show. No way around it even though I'd never switch to GEICO. I don't have All State either, but I love those Mayhem commercials. They could show those to me all day; unfortunately I get that damn Gekko or Flo from Progressive. BLECH. Can't stand it!!! haha. Anyway this sort of data is being given to advertisers and they like it. They'll at least be able to go, "Hmm, viewers of this program seem to like our beer commercials. Viewers of this one, nahhhh..." It doesn't change the fact that they still want the # of people watching and all their demo and stats, but it does give advertisers info in a way that's not tied to Nielson. It's like you read the CW guy saying Batb got a long run ahead of it, and then the ratings drop So it's like I hope he doesn't change his mind.. And you hear batb won the PCAs, so it doesn't make sense for batb to win best new drama and possibly not get another season! Unfortunately, Moonlight fans know the reality of this all too well. In 2008 Moonlight won the PCA for Favorite New TV Drama and still got cancelled. Of course that was the year of the writers strike...so, it's likely that played a role in cancellation. But I'd just hate for people to get 'comfortable' and think that because BatB won a PCA that it makes a second season more likely. True, it sends a good message to the CW, given that the only other show to do that was TVD (I believe) but if they don't think the viewers are there...that award doesn't mean anything. Not to mention, just because the guy at CW says it has a long run, doesn't mean he can't change his mind a couple weeks/months from now. Moonves of CBS said a similar thing with Moonlight, and it was still cancelled. So in the end, it's very very important that ratings go up, campaigns start early to let them know we want a second season, people should send some sort of feedback to the CW (via their site, the facebook page, their twitter pages, however you can), watch the episodes on the cw site, DVR views, and the trending on twitter and every thing else that anyone has mentioned. We still have hope for BatB, but there is also still a need to be politely aggressive. Moonlight was a casualty of the Writer's Strike -- as were several shows. I remember talking to friends during that time. No one liked not working. It was really tough. I had friends who were like, "Thank God for unemployment" and others that were like scrambling to make sure they could get unemployment. If you were an actor on a show (a regular, not like an extra) that was stopped because the strike you could. That's one of those things I found out at the time. I'm not sure if that was because of the unions though...or if it was any actor working. BUT Andy is right in that there have been shows that won PCAs and were still cancelled. That's not to say the PCA didn't help, it was a check in the positive column, BUT it's not by any means a definitive check ESPECIALLY since people could vote more than once... So how could it help? Okay, well let's say we're tied with another show completely in every way. Let's pretend that there's another show, we'll call it "SHOW X". Show X also has 22 episodes, same production costs, same exact ratings, everything as BATB. The CW is at their meeting in NY. They go, "Okay, we're either renewing SHOW X or BATB." This is when the researchers will go, "Well SHOW X doesn't seem to have a strong online following, whereas BATB won the PCA and has trended on Twitter." The big whigs at CBS, WB, CW then may go, "Okay. Let's go with BATB because our press release can state how impressed with are with BATB and based on the fans with the PCA, Twitter, and all that we can spin and say we believe it will only grow in future." This is why the BATB Fan Campaign with the book sand the CW mailroom is important. It sounds sooooooooo incredibly silly; I know. But for each Beastie that sends a book, you represent a lot more Beasties in the CW's eyes because they know that 1,000 books isn't 1,000 fans - it's a lot more! There was another show, "Breaking In." It was on FOX. Fans did fan campaigns for it and they were actually discussed in all the FOX discussions about the show. I know this because the creator of the show was saying it to all the fans on the "Save Breaking In" facebook page. It saved BI for another season (unfortunately the show was retooled, was terrible, was cancelled in Season 2). The message behind all that though isn't that your show is safe with a fan campaign. It still has to deliver even if returns, BUT for a show on the fence, a fan campaign can sway Networks to renew it.
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Post by Fire And Ice on Feb 16, 2013 4:15:36 GMT -5
Since my last post was incredibly long, I'm making another one just to clarify... I am not telling ANYONE to quit watching the CW on your televisions -- whether live or DVR or both. Listen. I'm the type of person who was watching it 3x Live (thanks to DishNetwork superchannels) and on DVR multiple times. Two DVRs in the household actually DVR BATB every week. One is for my bedroom's DVR and one is for the family room's DVR. (Lately, I've been able to watch it less frequently because of the Bar Exam, but I'm still Live watching.) What I want to be clear is that you watching on your DVR is not going to be reflected on TVbythenumbers or any other website that has reportings of Nielson numbers -- unless you are a Nielson household. Also advertisers won't care, unless you're a Nielson household, because they want to know WHO is watching the show, not just how many people. So when it comes to the demo and viewer #s, don't go, 'But I watched it 1,000 times! How did the numbers not go up.' They didn't because no one knows who the heck you are. Nielson families have to give up tons of personal information about themselves -- income, ages, jobs, and so on. That's why people pay for Nielson when its system is so outdated because that info is like GOLD to Networks and Advertisers. The CW doesn't get huge demo #s, so it does gather as much input as it can. So it will look at what your cable or satellite provider says, not necessarily about you, but about what their viewers seem to enjoy. Especially when it comes to negotiations, believe me, your service provider doesn't want to overpay for a station. But Mark Pedowitz has said that they are supplementing Nielson live & DVR with INTERNET numbers from CWTV.com and Hulu.com. So don't change your BATB viewing habits just because you're not a Nielson household. Watch the show and if you can, watch it on DVR playback afterwards -- if for no other reason than to catch some stuff you missed the first time around. BUT if you can US Beasties, please, please, please watch it online. CW is looking at that and it played a bit into their consideration for why they renewed HOD last year - HOD doesn't have strong international numbers and beat out TSC which had higher ratings. Something to think of. (Keep in mind HOD also had lower production costs too.) So if it is the next day and you're like, "Hmm, should I watch my DVR or watch it online?" and you can only choose one - choose the internet. (UNLESS you're a Nielson family. If you're a Nielson family member lurking or on this website, would you please watch the show over and over and over again?? Thank you. )
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Post by cassy09 on Feb 16, 2013 7:17:40 GMT -5
dickens, great point! iTunes purchases & Amazon season/episode purchases help as well. (I think Amazon's US site is the only one that allows purchases of BATB though, whereas iTunes is allowing outside of US Beasties the ability to purchase...not sure if that's accurate, so if I'm wrong, someone correct me.) I can only speak for iTunes in Germany. we don't have BATB in our store. I think it is because it wasn't picked up by our TV channels yet, so there is no dubbed german version available - I don't think they offer original englisch episodes. at least there are no BATB ones, I checked.
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Post by Fire And Ice on Feb 16, 2013 7:48:27 GMT -5
dickens, great point! iTunes purchases & Amazon season/episode purchases help as well. (I think Amazon's US site is the only one that allows purchases of BATB though, whereas iTunes is allowing outside of US Beasties the ability to purchase...not sure if that's accurate, so if I'm wrong, someone correct me.) I can only speak for iTunes in Germany. we don't have BATB in our store. I think it is because it wasn't picked up by our TV channels yet, so there is no dubbed german version available - I don't think they offer original englisch episodes. at least there are no BATB ones, I checked. Ugh. That's frustrating!! Thanks for letting me know. Btw, I will now consider you a super-Beastie Ines because you love BATB even though you can't even watch it in your country or easily purchase it on iTunes.
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Post by frinsolde on Feb 16, 2013 10:05:58 GMT -5
What I want to be clear is that you watching on your DVR is not going to be reflected on TVbythenumbers or any other website that has reportings of Nielson numbers -- unless you are a Nielson household. Also advertisers won't care, unless you're a Nielson household, because they want to know WHO is watching the show, not just how many people. So when it comes to the demo and viewer #s, don't go, 'But I watched it 1,000 times! How did the numbers not go up.' They didn't because no one knows who the heck you are. Nielson families have to give up tons of personal information about themselves -- income, ages, jobs, and so on. That's why people pay for Nielson when its system is so outdated because that info is like GOLD to Networks and Advertisers. But Mark Pedowitz has said that they are supplementing Nielson live & DVR with INTERNET numbers from CWTV.com and Hulu.com. So don't change your BATB viewing habits just because you're not a Nielson household. Watch the show and if you can, watch it on DVR playback afterwards -- if for no other reason than to catch some stuff you missed the first time around. BUT if you can US Beasties, please, please, please watch it online. CW is looking at that and it played a bit into their consideration for why they renewed HOD last year - HOD doesn't have strong international numbers and beat out TSC which had higher ratings. Something to think of. (Keep in mind HOD also had lower production costs too.) So if it is the next day and you're like, "Hmm, should I watch my DVR or watch it online?" and you can only choose one - choose the internet. (UNLESS you're a Nielson family. If you're a Nielson family member lurking or on this website, would you please watch the show over and over and over again?? Thank you. ) I don't know if I am a "Nielson" family but I did get to keep a TV diary for the last week of January for the Nielsen system and I made sure I gave BATB my viewership and recorded it in my diary. I don't have a DVR but does watching it later on my Roku count? I think it is equivalent to watching online and I rewatch several times to get through to the next new episode.
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