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Post by BeastieBoy on Sept 22, 2016 11:32:11 GMT -5
BTS pic from Jill Carter.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Sept 23, 2016 2:17:59 GMT -5
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Post by KKTW on Sept 24, 2016 13:11:24 GMT -5
I was disappointed with the finale. I thought everything seemed too rushed and I thought the whole Braxton hurdle fell short. I would have liked for him to put up a bigger fight. It just seemed rather lazy. Like the zooming out of the car to safety. Lame... Smallville did it better and that wasn't even for the series finale.
I was so excited when the show started. Not just because I'm a Vet. Kreukie, but because Beauty and the Beast is one of my favourite stories. But things fell apart so quickly. They had moments of intrigue and potential in each season, but they just seemed to let it go.
The finale scene had quite a few issues for me. As some have said, why Paris? I don't care what their reasons where, it just didn't work for me. Too redundant to have their honeymoon there and then go back to escape. He beasted out and had witness's. It wasn't romantic, it was just out of place, as was the time stamp. I didn't get why it was just six months. I thought it should have been longer.
I think the whole Catherine passing the bar may have been KK's idea. I think she would have wanted Catherine to do something on her own. Which I liked, but again, it seemed rushed. I would have preferred a shot of the building so we get she's at law school and then a scene of her in a study hall. Then Vincent could come in with flowers and tell her to stop studying because he had a surprise for her. Or something to that effect.
AND finally, the mugging...I get where they were going with this, but it made no sense. Why would Catherine go with him? And why would he start to beast out when he just started a new life? For a woman who only had her purse stolen no less.
There were moments I liked in the finale, but there just wasn't enough of them.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Sept 24, 2016 15:40:08 GMT -5
I was disappointed with the finale. I thought everything seemed too rushed and I thought the whole Braxton hurdle fell short. I would have liked for him to put up a bigger fight. It just seemed rather lazy. Like the zooming out of the car to safety. Lame... Smallville did it better and that wasn't even for the finale. I was so excited when the show started. Not just because I'm a Vet. Kreukie, but because Beauty and the Beast is one of my favourite stories. But things fell apart so quickly. They had moments of intrigue and potential in each season, but they just seemed to let it go. The finale scene had quite a few issues for me. As some have said, why Paris? I don't care what their reasons where, it just didn't work for me. Too redundant to have their honeymoon there and then go back to escape. He beasted out and had witness's. It wasn't romantic, it was just out of place, as was the time stamp. I didn't get why it was just six months. I thought it should have been longer. I think the whole Catherine passing the bar may have been KK's idea. I think she would have wanted Catherine to do something on her own. Which I liked, but again, it seemed rushed. I would have preferred a shot of the building so we get she's at law school and then a scene of her in a study hall. Then Vincent could come in with flowers and tell her to stop study because he had a surprise for her. Or something to that effect. AND finally, the mugging...I get where they were going with this, but it made no sense. Why would Catherine go with him? And why would he start to beast out when he just started a new life? For a woman who only had her purse stolen no less. There were moments I liked in the finale, but there just wasn't enough of them. You must be referring to the Smallville S6 finale, when Lana died in the car explosion? (...only for the audience to learn she had faked her death in the S7 opener.) That was a terrific finale! One of my favorites. Good memories of SV, that show always had great finale eps.
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Post by KKTW on Sept 24, 2016 21:25:23 GMT -5
Yes and I meant series finale, not season finale, forgot to add that. It was a great Coup on Lana's part, really showed her wit.
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Post by pippin on Sept 26, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -5
I was disappointed with the finale. I thought everything seemed too rushed and I thought the whole Braxton hurdle fell short. I would have liked for him to put up a bigger fight. It just seemed rather lazy. Like the zooming out of the car to safety. Lame... Smallville did it better and that wasn't even for the finale. I was so excited when the show started. Not just because I'm a Vet. Kreukie, but because Beauty and the Beast is one of my favourite stories. But things fell apart so quickly. They had moments of intrigue and potential in each season, but they just seemed to let it go. The finale scene had quite a few issues for me. As some have said, why Paris? I don't care what their reasons where, it just didn't work for me. Too redundant to have their honeymoon there and then go back to escape. He beasted out and had witness's. It wasn't romantic, it was just out of place, as was the time stamp. I didn't get why it was just six months. I thought it should have been longer. I think the whole Catherine passing the bar may have been KK's idea. I think she would have wanted Catherine to do something on her own. Which I liked, but again, it seemed rushed. I would have preferred a shot of the building so we get she's at law school and then a scene of her in a study hall. Then Vincent could come in with flowers and tell her to stop study because he had a surprise for her. Or something to that effect. AND finally, the mugging...I get where they were going with this, but it made no sense. Why would Catherine go with him? And why would he start to beast out when he just started a new life? For a woman who only had her purse stolen no less. There were moments I liked in the finale, but there just wasn't enough of them. I think they said 6 months because they wanted the reunion to be V's 1 year anniversary gift. So season 3 ends with the wedding and the series ends one year later on their anniversary. I don't think that would have been a problem, if they didn't have Cat becoming a lawyer in six months. I don't know that the lawyer thing was KK's idea, but even if it was, they could have made it more realistic by having Cat just passing the exam to get into one of the French Law Schools. She was studying for the LSAT in the pilot, so getting into Law School would have tied into that. Although Cat studying for the LSAT at 19 in the pilot didn't make sense to me since it seemed to soon in her college career unless she had skipped a grade or two along the way. I think that was meant to show their growth as a couple, although sorry Dan, probably more really V's growth. During their honeymoon, he leaves Cat on her butt in the dust when he rushes off but in the finale he holds up and waits for her.
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Post by KKTW on Sept 26, 2016 20:50:52 GMT -5
Ha!! Gosh I suck at explaining things. I didn't mean why did Catherine go with him to Paris. I meant why did she go with him to get the mugger.
And like I said, I'm sure they had their reasons, but they didn't work for me. The whole episode felt so rushed-especially the end. I would have loved if they took their time and maybe had a 2 hour finale.
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Post by pippin on Sept 29, 2016 23:27:32 GMT -5
Ha!! Gosh I suck at explaining things. I didn't mean why did Catherine go with him to Paris. I meant why did she go with him to get the mugger.And like I said, I'm sure they had their reasons, but they didn't work for me. The whole episode felt so rushed-especially the end. I would have loved if they took their time and maybe had a 2 hour finale. I knew you were asking why Cat went with him to get the mugger, but I guess I suck at explaining. I was trying to say that unlike during their honeymoon when Vincent just blindly pedaled off letting Cat fly off the bike, they were trying to show their growth as a couple by having V wait up for Cat and grabbing her hand so they could go after the mugger together. Just like the went to stop the bomb together and were either going to die together or escape together.
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Post by missingalias on Sept 30, 2016 0:52:20 GMT -5
I just rewatched the episode yesterday and it seemed like Jay's eyes teared up in the last rooftop scene when they are talking that they'll never be back there again.. Am I only imagining things or did anyone notice this too? I don't mean crying or falling tears but just wet eyes. Maybe there are special memories for him too.
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Post by KKTW on Sept 30, 2016 13:06:05 GMT -5
Ha!! Gosh I suck at explaining things. I didn't mean why did Catherine go with him to Paris. I meant why did she go with him to get the mugger.And like I said, I'm sure they had their reasons, but they didn't work for me. The whole episode felt so rushed-especially the end. I would have loved if they took their time and maybe had a 2 hour finale. I knew you were asking why Cat went with him to get the mugger, but I guess I suck at explaining. I was trying to say that unlike during their honeymoon when Vincent just blindly pedaled off letting Cat fly off the bike, they were trying to show their growth as a couple by having V wait up for Cat and grabbing her hand so they could go after the mugger together. Just like the went to stop the bomb together and were either going to die together or escape together. Nope, we'll just chalk it up to my learning disability and me reading it too fast. I see what you mean. I just wish if they wanted to do that, they should have gone in another route to show that.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Sept 30, 2016 16:15:24 GMT -5
Have to weigh in on the Smallville comparison. I agree that Smallville, IN THEORY, did the fake death thing better. Lana had enough sense to figure out about Lex's cloning projects. She used HER OWN CLONE in the car explosion, so her DNA (and body parts) would be found at the scene of the crime. But doing so had certain moral implications that the show itself never really touched. After all, you have Tess and Clark work so hard to save the clone teen that originated from DNA from Clark and Lex. Which created a supposedly whole new person that the two work to save and guide. So Lana killing her own clone shows how potentially evil and Luthor-like Lana has become since she killed her own clone, another version of herself. (As Lana seemingly didn't "activate" or awaken the clone, does this mean she didn't take a life? Clones on Smallville tended to think and do for themselves, usually evil things, but not always. So where and how does life begin? NOT something Smallville really wanted to delve into all that much, but they DID bring HOW many clones into the genre over the 10 years the show was on the air. And that particular older Lex clone that Clark encounters in S8 was PARTICULARLY representative of what Lex would become.) Lana tells Clark later that she "committed a crime" doing what she did, but she never goes into details. Only Lex figured out that Lana killed her own clone, and he would "take care of it" for Lana when he was feeling particularly guilty.)
So arguably, VinCat's blurring out of the car is NOT the same thing as what Lana did by a long shot. VinCat didn't kill anything or anyone else in order to fake their own deaths. NO ONE suffers by what they did. The car was going to explode anyway. So no harm done or real crime committed, in my opinion. BUT that is STILL what makes 413 so implausible to me. HOW do you explain the lack of body parts or DNA evidence showing VinCat did indeed die in the crash? I guess the argument is that since no one would think they could escape, no one went to look for the remains of the car or people.
But that is precisely why I have a problem with this particular part of the finale. If you know people were in the car, you seemingly WOULD think that an investigation of some kind would occur. HOWEVER, since DHS and most other governmental agencies are presented on BATB as completely inept, it figures that someone probably botched the job. PARTICULARLY when people being FALSELY accused have ended up being killed doing YOUR AGENTS' JOBS, you wouldn't want to advertise the fact. So Agent What's-Her-Name could REALLY have been feeling the guilt at the funeral. THAT would be why she would attend. DHS wouldn't make a public statement to clear VinCat, but she shows up to say she really knows she was in the wrong. (But the way DHS agents justified doing their job from Hill forward was just bad this season.)
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Post by joyabeast on Oct 14, 2016 8:16:23 GMT -5
So, I am little confused who was Grace Rose source? May be Braxton but not sure. It would be really nice if someone explained the whole season 4 plot. It was so confusing. And after thinking a lot about s4 ending I am finally ok with it. Because if you think about it even if all the problems went away it doesn't make any sense for them to stay in NY. 409 made it clear that normal was lost, they wouldn't get their job back. The endend exactly how it could end in season 1, back in 122 they were suposed to use fake id and live in somewhere else. Like Cat said there will be sacrifices no matter what. Atleast they are thoghter and happy plus their friends and family know where they are.
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Post by bbatb on Oct 14, 2016 12:13:20 GMT -5
So, I am little confused who was Grace Rose source? May be Braxton but not sure. It would be really nice if someone explained the whole season 4 plot. It was so confusing. And after thinking a lot about s4 ending I am finally ok with it. Because if you think about it even if all the problems went away it doesn't make any sense for them to stay in NY. 409 made it clear that normal was lost, they wouldn't get their job back. The endend exactly how it could end in season 1, back in 122 they were suposed to use fake id and live in somewhere else. Like Cat said there will be sacrifices no matter what. Atleast they are thoghter and happy plus their friends and family know where they are. It would take a genius or a mad person to explain certain aspects of the plot in S4, but in the end it would be futile, because many things in there CANNOT be explained and just have to be accepted - or NOT. Or you have to fill in the blanks and make up your own story and your own explanation. Grace said she had sources both at DHS and at Graydal and we NEVER found out who they were. Just another one of the threads that were dropped, never to be discussed again. That is nothing new to this show - although there are many shows out there who do exactly the same thing on a weekly basis and only some people even notice. I just rewatched Operation Fake Date on my British channel and was reminded AGAIN of the many plot holes in that single episode. And here they also introduced something we NEVER hear about again. Vincent is wearing this powerful little gadget around his wrist which gives the nerdy scientist complete control over him - to the point of knocking him out. Later Vincent remembers that they took his blood and cut a strand of his hair, but in S3, when Liam tells him that DHS has his blood in this vault, he does not remember how they came by it. Liam later even admitted to having lied about DHS having his blood, only it was not a lie at all because they DID have it. And Vincent should have sensed that Liam is lying to him, and, and, and. Like BeastieBoy says: better NOT to open these cans of worms and try to explain everything rationally or logically and just accept that it is what it is. Still, I do not like the ending in Paris and would have preferred their 'Denver life' or at least an English-speaking country....
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Post by dwayne1111 on Oct 14, 2016 13:02:09 GMT -5
So, I am little confused who was Grace Rose source? May be Braxton but not sure. It would be really nice if someone explained the whole season 4 plot. It was so confusing. And after thinking a lot about s4 ending I am finally ok with it. Because if you think about it even if all the problems went away it doesn't make any sense for them to stay in NY. 409 made it clear that normal was lost, they wouldn't get their job back. The endend exactly how it could end in season 1, back in 122 they were suposed to use fake id and live in somewhere else. Like Cat said there will be sacrifices no matter what. Atleast they are thoghter and happy plus their friends and family know where they are. It would take a genius or a mad person to explain certain aspects of the plot in S4, but in the end it would be futile, because many things in there CANNOT be explained and just have to be accepted - or NOT. Or you have to fill in the blanks and make up your own story and your own explanation. Grace said she had sources both at DHS and at Graydal and we NEVER found out who they were. Just another one of the threads that were dropped, never to be discussed again. That is nothing new to this show - although there are many shows out there who do exactly the same thing on a weekly basis and only some people even notice. I just rewatched Operation Fake Date on my British channel and was reminded AGAIN of the many plot holes in that single episode. And here they also introduced something we NEVER hear about again. Vincent is wearing this powerful little gadget around his wrist which gives the nerdy scientist complete control over him - to the point of knocking him out. Later Vincent remembers that they took his blood and cut a strand of his hair, but in S3, when Liam tells him that DHS has his blood in this vault, he does not remember how they came by it. Liam later even admitted to having lied about DHS having his blood, only it was not a lie at all because they DID have it. And Vincent should have sensed that Liam is lying to him, and, and, and. Like BeastieBoy says: better NOT to open these cans of worms and try to explain everything rationally or logically and just accept that it is what it is. Still, I do not like the ending in Paris and would have preferred their 'Denver life' or at least an English-speaking country.... I agree about season 4, I've lost track of the plot too and I have still two eps to watch, but I can not find to right mood for this right now. I do like the ending in France, it is somehow a homage to the original, La Belle et le Bête est un conte de fées français. It feels like the Beast is coming home to its roots.
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Post by bbatb on Oct 15, 2016 8:08:21 GMT -5
Too bad that the beast does not speak French and therefore cannot work in his profession. Also, all of his documents are in the name of Vincent Keller. Of course, since they obviously falsified all of Catherine's documents (school records, college degrees, law school she supposedly went to, etc.) in order for her to have her previous education recognized and fast-track her to become a lawyer, what does it matter if they fake the beast's credentials, too, so he can work as a doctor, once he has mastered the French language. No problem, of course in BATB land it should take him all of 2-3 months - TOPS.
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