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Post by runner12batb on Jul 26, 2016 3:35:16 GMT -5
. Seeing Jay chopping that wood was sexxxxxyyyyyy as hell. Ohhhh YES YES YES I'm not the only one who melted. Hopefully His arms so damn hot and strong . Not that I'm complaining
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Post by dan on Jul 26, 2016 9:07:03 GMT -5
I guess KK became producer only for the money and less to get hand on creative decision for her character.
Honestly Cat doesn't really have anything to do on this show other than running around trying to hide her husband while repeating the same tired lines over & over again. Forget having her own storylines,which the writers seem to already gave up trying, she can't even say something decent.
When did she ever do something that didn't in best interest of her or her boyfriend?Did she ever? Everything she does, all for 'happy ever after' with the beast. She never even occured to set a goal for herself, she's purposeless, Cat's pathetic! Sydney bristow, Buffy, Alicia florick, they would laugh at her.
Funny enough, she was never even the kill target,lol noone wanted her. Even those secret service agents or whatever they called, did not really want her. Everyone only want the beast. As the motor engine for this show all relied on the beast as the center.
I'm just keep shrug my shoulder watching this.
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Post by jefferen on Jul 26, 2016 9:14:22 GMT -5
I guess KK became producer only for the money and less to get hand on creative decision for her character. Honestly Cat doesn't really have anything to do on this show other than running around trying to hide her husband while repeating the same tired lines over & over again. Forget having her own storylines,which the writers seem to already gave up trying, she can't even say something decent. When did she ever do something that didn't in best interest of her or her boyfriend?Did she ever? Everything she does, all for 'happy ever after' with the beast. She never even occured to set a goal for herself, she's purposeless, Cat's pathetic! Sydney bristow, Buffy, Alicia florick, they would laugh at her. Funny enough, she was never even the kill target,lol noone wanted her. Even those secret service agents or whatever they called, did not really want her. Everyone only want the beast. As the motor engine for this show all relied on the beast as the center. I'm just keep shrug my shoulder watching this. We've missed you Dan . Don't always agree with you, but I've missed your posts. Just enjoying what we have left of the show.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 26, 2016 13:17:16 GMT -5
I guess KK became producer only for the money and less to get hand on creative decision for her character. Honestly Cat doesn't really have anything to do on this show other than running around trying to hide her husband while repeating the same tired lines over & over again. Forget having her own storylines,which the writers seem to already gave up trying, she can't even say something decent. When did she ever do something that didn't in best interest of her or her boyfriend?Did she ever? Everything she does, all for 'happy ever after' with the beast. She never even occured to set a goal for herself, she's purposeless, Cat's pathetic! Sydney bristow, Buffy, Alicia florick, they would laugh at her. Funny enough, she was never even the kill target,lol noone wanted her. Even those secret service agents or whatever they called, did not really want her. Everyone only want the beast. As the motor engine for this show all relied on the beast as the center. I'm just keep shrug my shoulder watching this. We've missed you Dan . Don't always agree with you, but I've missed your posts. Just enjoying what we have left of the show. I agree with dan on these points. It's clear where the showmaker's heads are at. Seems like half the ep titles have "beast" in it this season, not ever has there been one with "beauty" in the title. Not sure if KK got more money for being a producer, I'd hope so. Still, with some of the repetitive lines that she has had to say, you'd think she'd be tired of that and she'd tell the writers to give her better lines. But I don't imagine it's her type of personality to really push or force that type of change. But like jefferen said, I'm just enjoying the show for its positives at this point. I'm much happier with S4 compared to S3, especially with this episode and I'm cautiously optimistic for the finale arc of the series.
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Post by bbatb on Jul 26, 2016 13:52:10 GMT -5
We've missed you Dan . Don't always agree with you, but I've missed your posts. Just enjoying what we have left of the show. I agree with dan on these points. It's clear where the showmaker's heads are at. Seems like half the ep titles have "beast" in it this season, not ever has there been one with "beauty" in the title. Not sure if KK got more money for being a producer, I'd hope so. Still, with some of the repetitive lines that she has had to say, you'd think she'd be tired of that and she'd tell the writers to give her better lines. But I don't imagine it's her type of personality to really push or force that type of change. But like jefferen said, I'm just enjoying the show for its positives at this point. I'm much happier with S4 compared to S3, especially with this episode and I'm cautiously optimistic for the finale arc of the series. What you said BeastieBoy - word for word! They could have put Beauty in at least ONE title.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 26, 2016 15:54:47 GMT -5
Based on the content of this episode, I have to agree with Dan as well.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still enjoying this season, far more than last season. My only point of contention IS that Cat HAS completely given up her own career. When I first heard that Catherine was going to work for DHS this season, I was thrilled, thinking that someone valued the work she did on cases. But again, when HAS she had time to seriously work on cases since Season 1?
Cat admitted as much in the beginning of S2 where she had completely thrown over her extended caseload onto Tess while looking for a missing Vincent. At least in S2, however, the "beast" cases often DID become actual cases, and the resolution of said cases often depended on Cat. By the end of S2, Cat was suspended from the NYPD and having to help Vincent full-time. While she was finally reinstated and ACTUALLY WORKING on cases at the beginning of S3, that didn't last.
So yeah, Cat's life has more or less been on hold due to Beast issues. And she only took the DHS job to help Vincent, in my opinion, rather than it being a real life-changing career move. And again, she was hired due to beast issues in order to cover-up Vincent's involvement, which WAS a serious irritation for me. TESS is able to be promoted to a captain position because she HAS been able to keep her real day-job, more or less.
So I actually may end up feeling for Tess in this episode, WHEN I finally get to see it. Because you CAN'T be half-in to all things beast. It is totally life-consuming, obviously, for Cat. I can see Tess needing to distance herself since it would never end. So a choice HAS to be made, and the consequences of a MULTI-YEAR cover-up are finally coming to the fore.
Obviously, with this episode, we are meant to see that Cat HAS essentially lost her career at this point. She will have to do something else. And who would realistically hire her in her profession of choice, since her work record over the last four years would leave anyone in security or law enforcement reluctant to hire her. Sigh. Would have liked SOME special Cat storyline.
Just wish we got a Season 3 do-over entirely, as I could appreciate S4 WITHOUT regret had S3 given us something Cat-centered. BUT it is what it is. I'm still loving this season, even if I wish certain things were different.
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Post by Jewels on Jul 26, 2016 16:15:41 GMT -5
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Post by rose on Jul 26, 2016 18:41:29 GMT -5
Based on the content of this episode, I have to agree with Dan as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm still enjoying this season, far more than last season. My only point of contention IS that Cat HAS completely given up her own career. When I first heard that Catherine was going to work for DHS this season, I was thrilled, thinking that someone valued the work she did on cases. But again, when HAS she had time to seriously work on cases since Season 1? Cat admitted as much in the beginning of S2 where she had completely thrown over her extended caseload onto Tess while looking for a missing Vincent. At least in S2, however, the "beast" cases often DID become actual cases, and the resolution of said cases often depended on Cat. By the end of S2, Cat was suspended from the NYPD and having to help Vincent full-time. While she was finally reinstated and ACTUALLY WORKING on cases at the beginning of S3, that didn't last. So yeah, Cat's life has more or less been on hold due to Beast issues. And she only took the DHS job to help Vincent, in my opinion, rather than it being a real life-changing career move. And again, she was hired due to beast issues in order to cover-up Vincent's involvement, which WAS a serious irritation for me. TESS is able to be promoted to a captain position because she HAS been able to keep her real day-job, more or less. So I actually may end up feeling for Tess in this episode, WHEN I finally get to see it. Because you CAN'T be half-in to all things beast. It is totally life-consuming, obviously, for Cat. I can see Tess needing to distance herself since it would never end. So a choice HAS to be made, and the consequences of a MULTI-YEAR cover-up are finally coming to the fore. Obviously, with this episode, we are meant to see that Cat HAS essentially lost her career at this point. She will have to do something else. And who would realistically hire her in her profession of choice, since her work record over the last four years would leave anyone in security or law enforcement reluctant to hire her. Sigh. Would have liked SOME special Cat storyline. Just wish we got a Season 3 do-over entirely, as I could appreciate S4 WITHOUT regret had S3 given us something Cat-centered. BUT it is what it is. I'm still loving this season, even if I wish certain things were different. I hear you. I guess what it comes down to is what is it that is important in people's lives. Is it a successful career alone. Should we protect that against all threats. What happens if what is necessary to advance or even keep our career is being threatened because of who our loved ones are? Do we turn our backs on them for the sake of our career. Should we only allow people in our lives if their being there is easy and does not mess with the status quo. I agree that one should not be forced to accept keeping such a secret and help in the cover up. And if they choose not to they should be allowed to move on and their decision respected. On the other hand I also applaud that person who is able to be there for someone unconditionally even when it puts on the line everything they have known and without resenting the other person. I would be very lucky to have someone like that in my life and I would like to think that I can also be that person to someone else. IMO I think there are more important things in life although I am not discounting the importance of careers. But those are not a constant and could be gone or we could get replaced in our jobs if something better and more advanced comes along. But People evolve and can reinvent themselves and survive but with people once we loose them sometimes we can't get them back. That is just my 2 cents on the subject.
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Post by mischiefyukon on Jul 26, 2016 21:56:46 GMT -5
Oh please. You ladies would give up career and whatever else to be with Vincent in a heartbeat.
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Post by bbatb on Jul 26, 2016 22:42:16 GMT -5
Oh please. You ladies would give up career and whatever else to be with Vincent in a heartbeat. Not everybody in this forum is fantasizing about Jay, we DO have many KK fans in here, too. And I am NOT talking from a guy's point of view. I think what we are missing is some kind of BALANCE as far as the stories of Vincent AND Catherine go. P.S. yes, my avatar shows Vincent/Jay, but at the time I had no other photo handy and now I am used to it.
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Post by rose on Jul 27, 2016 1:56:43 GMT -5
I suppose it depends on how one looks at it,the show aside. In real life there will be those who have it all together. Good looks, intelligence, good health, vibrant career prospects. But there will be someone in the family who may not have all that and may have a life threatening illness or a deformity that makes everything that everyone else takes for granted a challenge. Already from the word go the scales are not balanced. And one of the 2 will need to work harder than the other to get a fraction of what the others have and one of them will require help and will have to rely more on the goodwill of others. Although they don't have to provide it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 2:11:23 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm quite sure to have read in some post here that KK asked for more free time for herself during the shooting of S4. If this is the case, maybe storyline could be affected: less on screen time, less action complex story, less time on set. But even in this case, writers could have handle it better. Or maybe they thought to please fans with more Jay's on screen time, but they forgot that BATB fans want VinCat time so they have to be both in. About Cat's career: she chosed to become a cop after her mother's death because she thought that was the best way to answer her questions and maybe find out what happened to her... Tess comes from a family of cop so her porpouse is different, she is motivated in what she does and to have a career in it. Cat IMO is note interested anymore in being a cop if we exclude that it is the simpliest way to protect Vincent and cover for his "crime".
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 27, 2016 2:35:19 GMT -5
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm quite sure to have read in some post here that KK asked for more free time for herself during the shooting of S4. If this is the case, maybe storyline could be affected: less on screen time, less action complex story, less time on set. But even in this case, writers could have handle it better. Or maybe they thought to please fans with more Jay's on screen time, but they forgot that BATB fans want VinCat time so they have to be both in. About Cat's career: she chosed to become a cop after her mother's death because she thought that was the best way to answer her questions and maybe find out what happened to her... Tess comes from a family of cop so her porpouse is different, she is motivated in what she does and to have a career in it. Cat IMO is note interested anymore in being a cop if we exclude that it is the simpliest way to protect Vincent and cover for his "crime". I don't believe it was stated that way, or perhaps you're referring to something different. You're not referring to Gillian Horvath's reference to Castle are you? It was the Castle article that stated Stana asked for more free time as the excuse as to why she wasn't in as many scenes. What I recall was that KK mentioned that the shorter 13 ep seasons gave her more free time, not that she "asked" for more free time. The other thing I remember was having the other cast members (e.g. JT, Tess, and Heather) having their own mini story lines helped to take the load off of KK, as she doesn't have to be in every scene. Regardless, dan 's remarks go back to S1 and he's never relented since. He even created a thread about it at the end of S1. saveeachotherbatb.com/thread/370/request-more-catI also agree that it's not just this season, it's really been every season. I like Jay and the Beast story lines. But I also agree with dan that for KK, being the lead star, there should have been more arcs focused on Cat's character too. The balance wasn't as good as it could have been. Anyway, what's done is done, there's no changing or going back at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 2:59:01 GMT -5
Thank you @beastieboy for clarifying me. In fact everyone wish to have more and more of his favorite actor/actress but In S1, S2 and even in S3 Cat's had her own personal emotional journey at least, now she acts only in Vincent's function
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Post by rose on Jul 27, 2016 3:06:06 GMT -5
Sometimes there is no doing the right thing with stories. If the characters have their own separate archs like what happened with castle in the final season there will be complaints that the 2 leads should work together. And sometimes if you put them together there will be some who think there should be separate archs for the characters.
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