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Post by lilybean33 on Jul 18, 2016 11:00:19 GMT -5
So this is my first post...just found this board and it is so sad that this show is almost at the end. *sni<edited> *sni<edited>....
This episode was a fun caper style one, but left me confused. I did not feel it moved the story forward and there are only 5 episodes left. I did love the DESPERATE Vincent wanting to see Cat..so cute. Makes me think they could have just used the underground lair to meet up to begin with though...like everyone else I was looking forward to a more AMP scene at the end like advertised, but I get the feeling the writers do not find it necessary to the story now...there an old married couple now...lol....Bummer for us fans.
I have a feeling they will end the series with Vincent and Cat faking there death...maybe Vincent stops his heart for Cat in the process and it ends up curing him...last few scenes would be a year later and you find them living there life in a small country town...Tess, JT, & Heather moved on in life..but secretly keep in touch. If you ever watched Burn Notice, this is how they ended that show...would fit here too.....
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Post by missingalias on Jul 18, 2016 11:01:48 GMT -5
In terms of the last scene, I really miss their sexy, more passionate kisses, not pecks, which is what we got. Once again, they get us excited ("it pushes the boundaries of cable t.v.) and then majorly let us down. We don't really see anything. I so miss scenes like AMP. Is it too much to ask for one more before the series finale? And why did Austin Basis say they don't like to do scenes like that anymore? I wonder why? What they meant was probably pushing boundaries of CW but even CW can do better than that. Or? The thing is, even Shonda Rhimes said, actors are not interested in these kind of scenes past two seasons. You get the audience what they want in the first two seasons and you just go with whatever works for your actors from that point on. That Gillian Horvath tweet with a linked article was very insightful on the topic. Maybe it's still available. The best thing to do is to keep in mind what the writing has been like these past two seasons and draw your expectations from it. That way you won't be disappointed. Like somebody else already noted, even their kissing scenes are filmed from different angles than they used to be, illogical angles I might add, but that's what's left I guess. Yes that's weird. Even V/jay has fully stopped licking his lips even if that used to be his trademark..let alone tongue kiss his girl. I love how they have fun though, but it's still weird as there was some serious fireworks before. I need to do some rewatching regarding this issue. Just to see how it all has gone down with. Regarding this scene, I think it almost looks like V is kissing Cats breast, although it's most likely her arm in reality. And yes I agree that's KKs laugh not Cats and it didn't look that she was too fired up but a nice scene nevertheless. But there must be something wrong with the girl if she's thinking about a remote control if someone like V is lying naked beside her. Just saying. Altogether a nice episode nut need to rewatch it before any comments on the rest of the episode as I just watched it from my phone on the bus coming home from work.
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Post by lilybean33 on Jul 18, 2016 11:14:39 GMT -5
In terms of the last scene, I really miss their sexy, more passionate kisses, not pecks, which is what we got. Once again, they get us excited ("it pushes the boundaries of cable t.v.) and then majorly let us down. We don't really see anything. I so miss scenes like AMP. Is it too much to ask for one more before the series finale? And why did Austin Basis say they don't like to do scenes like that anymore? I wonder why? What they meant was probably pushing boundaries of CW but even CW can do better than that. Or? The thing is, even Shonda Rhimes said, actors are not interested in these kind of scenes past two seasons. You get the audience what they want in the first two seasons and you just go with whatever works for your actors from that point on. That Gillian Horvath tweet with a linked article was very insightful on the topic. Maybe it's still available. The best thing to do is to keep in mind what the writing has been like these past two seasons and draw your expectations from it. That way you won't be disappointed. Like somebody else already noted, even their kissing scenes are filmed from different angles than they used to be, illogical angles I might add, but that's what's left I guess. Makes sense. It must be hard for actors to do intimate scenes like in AMP. Back in S1 it fit the story because it was based on Vincent's fear of being intimate with Cat and it being there first time as a couple. S4 it is not necessary to the story since they obviously moved past that and are married now. Even thought the fans would love to see it. Filming scenes like that in front of a film crew would not be fun....
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 18, 2016 12:09:44 GMT -5
Sorry, it's way past my bedtime. If the link still isn't up by the time I'm up again, I'll provide more details. I wanna know how you managed to see it!! What magic do you possess? Her is Australia, I have to wait for the torrent and I think today, someone forgot to put it out there. I was dyyyyyyyyiiiinnnnnngg, I tell ya, dyyyyyyyyiiiiinnnnnngg The Showcase.ca website usually will put the episode up in about 2 hours after its west coast airing. You just need to be viewing off of a device that's in Canada or perceived to be in Canada (i.e. via VPN software etc.)
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Post by bbatb on Jul 18, 2016 12:10:10 GMT -5
Coming back to the scene where Vincent kills the security guard FOR REAL, I had a split second of shock feeling when blondie confirmed that he was indeed DEAD. He revived him - barley - but okay and he ran away not much worse for the wear.
Watching it again and thinking about it - there really was NOTHING else Vincent could have done. Diane had her gun trained on him and she absolutely MEANT it when she said that she would first shoot him and then the guard. She had threatened him with killing him before and he realized that SHE had set off the silent alarm, so even without beast senses he just KNEW that she would follow through. So, he chose the best option to save the guard - and in the process - his cover.
So, I am okay with it now.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 18, 2016 12:20:02 GMT -5
Abaout the last scene the bad fact is that they gave us hope about something AMP style and what we had is a cute scene. Ok just asking myself what J has done under the blanket to make her laugh that hard... but anyway it is cute, not sexy or racy. I've found out more sexy the firts kiss when they met in the park. I don't love this episode, i read this as "vincent alone can do only a complete mess, he needs his friends"... but he can't be that stupid IMO. Good that he hasn't lost his humanity even if he has to do everything to gain trust. I like Heather, a lot, she was underrated in previous seasons. Her and JT make a good pairing Well, Pippin was saying that they were implying oral sex in this last scene. It takes some imagination, but it IS possible. It took very little imagination on my part, that's exactly where my mind went (won't blame Zelly this time or Pippin - as I was spoiler free).
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 18, 2016 12:26:01 GMT -5
Coming back to the scene where Vincent kills the security guard FOR REAL, I had a split second of shock feeling when blondie confirmed that he was indeed DEAD. He revived him - barley - but okay and he ran away not much worse for the wear. Watching it again and thinking about it - there really was NOTHING else Vincent could have done. Diane had her gun trained on him and she absolutely MEANT it when she said that she would first shoot him and then the guard. She had threatened him with killing him before and he realized that SHE had set off the silent alarm, so even without beast senses he just KNEW that she would follow through. So, he chose the best option to save the guard - and in the process - his cover. So, I am okay with it now. This scene surprised me as well. I thought maybe Vincent had used a beast power to strike the right nerve and stop his heart. But when he was really dead and V revived him, it got me worrying about the "Condor" side of him again. That was a very big risk to take. What if Cat hadn't showed up right there and then? He wouldn't have been able to revive him. There are always other options. He could have knocked out the blonde. Yes, it would have compromised his position at Graydol, but killing someone with the hopes of reviving is another situation where he's crossed the line - IMHO.
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Post by bbatb on Jul 18, 2016 12:34:33 GMT -5
Coming back to the scene where Vincent kills the security guard FOR REAL, I had a split second of shock feeling when blondie confirmed that he was indeed DEAD. He revived him - barley - but okay and he ran away not much worse for the wear. Watching it again and thinking about it - there really was NOTHING else Vincent could have done. Diane had her gun trained on him and she absolutely MEANT it when she said that she would first shoot him and then the guard. She had threatened him with killing him before and he realized that SHE had set off the silent alarm, so even without beast senses he just KNEW that she would follow through. So, he chose the best option to save the guard - and in the process - his cover. So, I am okay with it now. This scene surprised me as well. I thought maybe Vincent had used a beast power to strike the right nerve and stop his heart. But when he was really dead and V revived him, it got me worrying about the "Condor" side of him again. That was a very big risk to take. What if Cat hadn't showed up right there and then? He wouldn't have been able to revive him. There are always other options. He could have knocked out the blonde. Yes, it would have compromised his position at Graydol, but killing someone with the hopes of reviving is another situation where he's crossed the line - IMHO. You are right: it WAS a bad moment. But think about it for a moment, if he had beasted out and blurred away with the guard in his arms (like he did with Catherine and JT last week) then blondie would have known who he was and she would have gone straight to Graydal and spilled the beans. And THEN what? It would have put not only him, but also Catherine in grave danger. And all that on top of being hunted by DHS. Still, I am with you that it was VERY risky and I think that the writers should NOT have gone there at all.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 18, 2016 13:30:33 GMT -5
This scene surprised me as well. I thought maybe Vincent had used a beast power to strike the right nerve and stop his heart. But when he was really dead and V revived him, it got me worrying about the "Condor" side of him again. That was a very big risk to take. What if Cat hadn't showed up right there and then? He wouldn't have been able to revive him. There are always other options. He could have knocked out the blonde. Yes, it would have compromised his position at Graydol, but killing someone with the hopes of reviving is another situation where he's crossed the line - IMHO. You are right: it WAS a bad moment. But think about it for a moment, if he had beasted out and blurred away with the guard in his arms (like he did with Catherine and JT last week) then blondie would have known who he was and she would have gone straight to Graydal and spilled the beans. And THEN what? It would have put not only him, but also Catherine in grave danger. And all that on top of being hunted by DHS. Still, I am with you that it was VERY risky and I think that the writers should NOT have gone there at all. I don't think he needed to go full beast to take blondie out. Cat did it on her own with no super powers. V showed he's capable of winning fights without going into beast mode, as he did in the beginning of the ep when he fought off various Graydal thugs to try to prove his worthiness. Based on what happened on screen (without bringing the writers into this), it tells me that Vincent chose an option to kill an innocent, rather than risk losing his inside position with Graydal. It tells me that he's desperate and without Cat always by his side, he's prone to taking rash and questionable decisions. I'm not trying to put his character down, just worried about his current state of mind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 14:16:49 GMT -5
I think the same BeastieBoy! This time Vincent reactions sound a little bit odd because he doesn't seems so desperate. Or maybe he doesn't show that. First I thought he used accupressure point to make the guard faint down, but as expected, the blond tasted his pulse just to make sure it wasn't a fake death. Maybe Vincent was expected that and decided to try hisbest move to save all. I think Vincent was not that happy that Cat killed the blond, I suspect that she had more information that it seems amd Vincent surely could have some kind of influence on her if you understand what I mean... If a man like Vincent want to charm a girl, surely he can do that with no problem, even an assassin girl. I have my personal theory about the mood of the episode: as most of you know I love episode with some sort of comicity (as Primal fear) but this time it catch me in the bad way. I think that writers decided to enlight the episode because the sight of Vincent with another woman in a serous context probably would have made lots of beasties angry. This way you can't take the blond short arc for real neither for one second
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 18, 2016 14:56:44 GMT -5
What they meant was probably pushing boundaries of CW but even CW can do better than that. Or? The thing is, even Shonda Rhimes said, actors are not interested in these kind of scenes past two seasons. You get the audience what they want in the first two seasons and you just go with whatever works for your actors from that point on. That Gillian Horvath tweet with a linked article was very insightful on the topic. Maybe it's still available. The best thing to do is to keep in mind what the writing has been like these past two seasons and draw your expectations from it. That way you won't be disappointed. Like somebody else already noted, even their kissing scenes are filmed from different angles than they used to be, illogical angles I might add, but that's what's left I guess. Makes sense. It must be hard for actors to do intimate scenes like in AMP. Back in S1 it fit the story because it was based on Vincent's fear of being intimate with Cat and it being there first time as a couple. S4 it is not necessary to the story since they obviously moved past that and are married now. Even thought the fans would love to see it. Filming scenes like that in front of a film crew would not be fun.... First of all, welcome to the forum lilybean33! Going back to jaykris's original point, I would have preferred less romantic comedy in the last scene too. It doesn't have to be like AMP and I'm not expecting thak kind of scene in S4. But for goodness sake, just let them have a quiet and loving moment together, without Cat continually interrupting with her jibber jabber when V's trying to get busy with her! Nevertheless, I did love the look on Cat's face and her arm/hand motion as V pulled her in at the very end.
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Post by evanarose on Jul 18, 2016 14:59:52 GMT -5
The ending scene it's totally KK's laugh not Catherine . Made you wonder what actually happened after the off screen... Now, how many times intimate moments they did after the off screen ... Looks like the writers and our Vincat love to tease the beasties... Well we do know for sure that Jay likes to make KK laugh as that's been said by a couple different people. Lol I can totally imagine him mocking the scene I'm guessing he knew what the writers were implying...and that it was put on script! Perhaps we will see it on the gag reel how he mocked it behind the scenes lol
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Post by jefferen on Jul 18, 2016 15:29:05 GMT -5
Well we do know for sure that Jay likes to make KK laugh as that's been said by a couple different people. Lol I can totally imagine him mocking the scene I'm guessing he knew what the writers were implying...and that it was put on script! Perhaps we will see it on the gag reel how he mocked it behind the scenes lol Me 2! Unfortunately, I don't think that will be in the gag reel. We wouldn't b so lucky. Lol. The one thing that did sort of bother me this episode, was the guy V saved ran out of the apartment after CPR. I am an EMT and people who get CPR never are capable of doing that as usually all their ribs are broken. Lol
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Post by lilybean33 on Jul 18, 2016 15:29:40 GMT -5
Makes sense. It must be hard for actors to do intimate scenes like in AMP. Back in S1 it fit the story because it was based on Vincent's fear of being intimate with Cat and it being there first time as a couple. S4 it is not necessary to the story since they obviously moved past that and are married now. Even thought the fans would love to see it. Filming scenes like that in front of a film crew would not be fun.... First of all, welcome to the forum lilybean33 ! Going back to jaykris 's original point, I would have preferred less romantic comedy in the last scene too. It doesn't have to be like AMP and I'm not expecting thak kind of scene in S4. But for goodness sake, just let them have a quiet and loving moment together, without Cat continually interrupting with her jibber jabber when V's trying to get busy with her! Nevertheless, I did love the look on Cat's face and her arm/hand motion as V pulled her in at the very end. Thanks! It is fun being here with you all. I agree...this episode had too much talking...not enough just being in the last scene.
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Post by rose on Jul 18, 2016 15:30:00 GMT -5
Being the curious person that I am I read a few comments first thing in the morning before I had a chance to watch the episode and I was not expecting a lot from this episode. But I was pleasantly surprised. I think the episode was funny with a lot of comical moments that were just hilarious. I enjoyed the little arguments that Vincat had throughout the episode. Especially the one at the party when Vincent said that he can't leave the party without his wife, meaning the blonde assassin he was with and the other one at the house, Vincent and blonde girl were robbing. And yes I agree that Cat does tend to talk a lot when she finally gets to be with Vincent.
I have also found myself looking forward to Heather's scenes with JT. I think those 2 have good chemistry. Heather has made a huge turnaround from being the annoying judgemental sister she was in season 1 to this supportive person she has been to everyone especially Cat and JT.
On more than 2 occasions I found myself worrying that Vincent was going to kill someone especially when he drenched that guy with alcohol , initially I thought that was gasoline and he was going to burn the guy. It was good when I realised that was not the plan. For a moment later in the episode I thought that he had killed the security guard at the house but I kinda hoped that he had a plan to keep him alive. I laughed out aloud after Vincent managed to revive the guy and the guy didn't wait around to find out what was going on. He must have really thought that he was dealing with some crazy people and was not willing to risk sticking around for an explanation as to why someone who had just tried to kill him decided to save him. At least he narrated his story to DHS and seemed to have helped win some points for both Cat and Vincent with DHS.
I really doubt that the DHS lady believes Cat's story about wanting to bring Vincent in. I know I wouldn't buy the story if I was her.
Overall I liked the episode and it managed to engage me fully without the need to play around with my phone while I watched.
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