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Post by bbatb on Jul 16, 2016 4:03:46 GMT -5
Did you read Rickey's review. IMO he made a grave error about the plot by saying that Vincent was in on Catherine's deception to 'turn him in to DHS' when she clearly stated to JT and Tess that she did NOT have time to inform him and relied on Vincent reading her heatbeat correctly, which he did of course. They actually discussed this in the last scene in the dungeon - I think it IS the dungeon even though they modified the set a bit.
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Post by joyabeast on Jul 16, 2016 5:33:24 GMT -5
Yeah.I also read rickey's review and he misunderstood whole situation regarding Cat and Vincent.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 16, 2016 11:55:43 GMT -5
Did you read Rickey's review. IMO he made a grave error about the plot by saying that Vincent was in on Catherine's deception to 'turn him in to DHS' when she clearly stated to JT and Tess that she did NOT have time to inform him and relied on Vincent reading her heatbeat correctly, which he did of course. They actually discussed this in the last scene in the dungeon - I think it IS the dungeon even though they modified the set a bit. You're right, he misunderstood that part, which was a very key point. Thanks for calling that out. BTW, I guess I now have a better idea on what the "b" in your "bbatb" name stands for...
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Post by bbatb on Jul 16, 2016 14:32:14 GMT -5
Did you read Rickey's review. IMO he made a grave error about the plot by saying that Vincent was in on Catherine's deception to 'turn him in to DHS' when she clearly stated to JT and Tess that she did NOT have time to inform him and relied on Vincent reading her heatbeat correctly, which he did of course. They actually discussed this in the last scene in the dungeon - I think it IS the dungeon even though they modified the set a bit. You're right, he misunderstood that part, which was a very key point. Thanks for calling that out. BTW, I guess I now have a better idea on what the "b" in your "bbatb" name stands for... Busted! LOL. About Rickey, it is really a bit of a shame, because he bases quite a substantial theory around THAT particular plotline and he just did not get it. I must say that it is not hard to get confused, unless you paid REALLY close attention to the last scene between VinCat. And he gave such nice praise to both KK and JR, that this little misunderstanding is no big thing. I like Rickey.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 17, 2016 18:40:51 GMT -5
alwayscrazedbatbfan , bbatb - So I was curious if V's new hideout really is the dungeon, since you both felt it was. Upon studying the episode further, I believe it's somewhere else that's part of the subway underground, rather than the dungeon. In the scene where Vincent brings JT to his hideout to interrogate the bounty hunter, they first show the subway/trains from above and zoom in on a tunnel entry. Then the next scene shows V and JT walking down some steps, which eventually takes them to where Vincent has the bounty hunter tied up. This does seem to be the same spot where Cat meets up with Vincent at the end of the ep.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 17, 2016 19:00:54 GMT -5
alwayscrazedbatbfan , bbatb - So I was curious if V's new hideout really is the dungeon, since you both felt it was. Upon studying the episode further, I believe it's somewhere else that's part of the subway underground, rather than the dungeon. In the scene where Vincent brings JT to his hideout to interrogate the bounty hunter, they first show the subway/trains from above and zoom in on a tunnel entry. Then the next scene shows V and JT walking down some steps, which eventually takes them to where Vincent has the bounty hunter tied up. This does seem to be the same spot where Cat meets up with Vincent at the end of the ep. I could only attach 3 files in one post. So adding the last image here. Now this doesn't rule out that it might be part of Liam's underground hideout, because I believe that too was linked to the old NYC subway underground network. But I don't think it's the dungeon.
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Post by bbatb on Jul 18, 2016 0:40:31 GMT -5
BeastieBoy you are so clever with capturing these screen shots AND you are absolutely right that it is the same set. I am NOT going to tell you how I thought that the last scene was the dungeon. LOL. THAT came up in a section that is off limits for you. LOL. I think they are just saving budget and are using the same set for two different things, although they should know by now that the fans are 'detectives' too, and not much gets by them. Just from a logical point of view it would be not very clever of Vincent to bring this bounty hunter to the very place he is hiding out. The guy was unconscious when he dragged or blurred him there, but later on he was awake and might have heard the trains overhead and guessed where he was. So he could come back later and search the tunnels. I am sure that he is pissed at Vincent for getting the better of him that he just might try to find him.
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Post by runner12batb on Jul 18, 2016 1:27:27 GMT -5
I could only attach 3 files in one post. So adding the last image here. Now this doesn't rule out that it might be part of Liam's underground hideout, because I believe that too was linked to the old NYC subway underground network. But I don't think it's the dungeon. [/quote] In the episode S3E13, When Liam has brought Cat inside the underground hideout, it is no steps in the entrance ... and in this episode we can see the steps when cat walked in the entrance looking for Vincent... But I just curious how can Catherine know where is Vincent. I guess JT told her at the bar maybe .. or power of love
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 18, 2016 10:18:05 GMT -5
While S3 had TOO much exposition and repetitive dialogue, S4 often says something briefly once, and if you don't catch it then, you end up with a Rickey issue where you miss the point entirely.
We saw Vincent on a rusted ship then we see him back in the tunnels, where you here the subway going somewhere nearby. This underground tunnel-thing has been used multiple times this season, including Vincent's dream in 405. Since it is getting some use, I just assumed that it would somehow be connected with something that VinCat was familiar with, either the dungeon or Liam's lair.
HOWEVER, this may actually be a belated nod to SEASON ONE when Evan was captured by the would-be serial killer. Vincent and Cat had to go over the long disused old subway tunnels, and you could hear the subway going nearby there, too. BUT that is the thing about S4, they are not telling us certain things at all, such as how VinCat suddenly decided to start using this "new territory" or if it is connected in any way with previous haunts or cases.
I really wish they would tell how they stumbled upon these locations in the BATB world. However, I guess the writers don't want to go down the road of having time taken up on issues that aren't crucial to the plot at hand.
So however Vincent and/or Cat stumbled upon the certain sections of the tunnel that they are currently haunting, they have obviously disclosed it to one another. Just would love the backstory myself. Sigh.
(But love the use of the NY tunnels as harping back to the original series where THAT Vincent had to live in the tunnels due to his beast-state.)
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Post by pippin on Jul 18, 2016 19:03:29 GMT -5
He maybe sexy, but it's his Condor side that's worrying me. Vincent, IMHO, was not a good man under the FBI's brainwashing that turned him into Condor. It does make him much more dangerous and unpredictable now, almost desperate at times. Which is actually a good thing in that it makes the show less predictable and more suspenseful. But it does cause me some angst over how this behavior might affect Cat, if she ever saw the Condor side of V in person the way JT did. Don't worry BeastieBoy. Just that adrenaline working it's way out of his system, I think. Soft and fuzzy Vincent is just under the surface. or could it be because of something else . . .
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Post by bbatb on Jul 19, 2016 5:36:23 GMT -5
Don't worry BeastieBoy. Just that adrenaline working it's way out of his system, I think. Soft and fuzzy Vincent is just under the surface. or could it be because of something else . . . pippin would you mind terribly mosying over to the Sensitive Spoiler section and give the ones who want to be spoiled a 'broader' hint than this. Pretty please with a cherry on the top.
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