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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 15, 2016 14:04:24 GMT -5
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 15, 2016 14:12:51 GMT -5
We're running out of season (and series) for Vincent to be back down into the tunnels yet again. Hopefully this is the low point from which they claw their way back up to the daylight. I mean this is so Season One... Didn't understand how Vincent was being held by the Security Company one minute, then he's meeting Cat under the bridge the next. Abrupt transition.Heather acted like she thought Kyle was a bad guy... Hummm... Cat and Tess are back to the situation where they take an oath of loyalty to an agency, yet they may have to violate that oath for personal loyalties. I hope they ARE having a problem with it. Particularly Tess should have it eating away at her. How great was Vincent's blurring in to scoop up a friend sitting in a chair? Makes sense they would feel nauseated. They could even have broken bones if not careful. (That was a problem Smallville never dealt with. The laws of physics should apply to the rest of us). The Beast is just like the Flash now. Don't know why he even bothers to drive a car, since he could blur to places in an instant. LOL.
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Post by Bill the beast on Jul 15, 2016 15:15:37 GMT -5
The Beast is just like the Flash now. Don't know why he even bothers to drive a car, since he could blur to places in an instant. LOL. He has Clark's superstrength, superspeed and hearing of heartbeats... Clark was afraid to fly so aside from special vision, Clark basically just had "beast-powers". There is one other attribute of Clark's that Vincent is showing again and that's hot-headed over-confidence. On Smallville Clark, for the longest time, tried to solve all problems with super-powers, when what he needed to do was out think his opponents. But super-powers lead to over-confidence and the attempt to solve all problems with brute force. Doesn't work well against smart opponents. (Good think Vincent has Cat)
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 15, 2016 16:02:04 GMT -5
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 15, 2016 16:31:55 GMT -5
If you really want to know about Kyle's episode count and his last episode, BATB's IMDB page has that info, but it could be a little spoilery. I think season 1 made Muirfield look too incompetent to be an effective big bad. At first I thought that Muirfield was a bunch of scientists who were trying to cover up their crimes and that's why they were so bad at finding and eliminating their targets. Their security or assassins couldn't take out V and / or C in the Pilot, Basic Instinct, Cold Turkey, Insatiable, Heart of Darkness or Playing with Fire, they couldn't find V through JT or Cat, and their lab and vital Orchard were easily broken into. You are right! I just looked. Now I'm very curious though. I love spoilers bc I like to try and piece things together to see how they are going to play out. I like to speculate and piece things together too, but without spoilers, because that's kind of like cheating to me. Also, speculating is one thing, but actually knowing an outcome is entirely different for me. I really don't want to know what will happen with any degree of certainty. I like to imagine what if Evan were to comeback again, or even Joe, checking IMDB would take the fun away from that. Anyway, I wish they'd give us more scenes with Kyle and Heather where it's not just about letting him in on the secret. If we could see what he's like under different circumstances it would provide a more well rounded and balanced view. As much as I'm enjoying S4, the show is still way too repetitive in certain aspects, with more exposition than needed. But hey - it's BATB, "that's our new normal"...
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 15, 2016 17:04:27 GMT -5
Okay, so the previous comments actually DIDN'T fully prepare me for the episode. I ended up feeling that I had a completely different take, in some ways, from others. And I LIKE that. Because BATB works best when things are left up to interpretation rather than them beating us over the head with the same dialogue.
First up: Tess. I had no problems with the way she handled herself in this episode. Tess states that she does not mean to be Debbie Downer, but she has to bring up certain facts. But she does so in a loving way. And Tess still helps Cat KNOWINGLY throw DHS off with the attempt to capture Vincent routine. They KNEW that DHS would be listening and planned that whole thing. Tess did NOT shy away from taking this action to help.
So Tess is still the consummate friend. And she (and us) remember WELL how Cat was at the beginning of S2. She was frantic with worry about Vincent and had let EVERYTHING go, including her cases. Cat couldn't see anything else and was willing to do anything to retrieve Vincent.
Here, Tess reminds Cat regarding history and what all has been sacrificed WITHOUT using long-winded repetitive arguments. And she pointed out (correctly) that the situation just keeps getting worse and that it all comes down to beasts.
And I LOVED the theme of TRUST in this episode, as others have mentioned before. Because while Tess lists the problems and the risk of prison time, she quietly acts basically an an accessory after the fact. She knows darn well that Cat is helping Vincent, but she has reported nothing and is technically breaking the law herself. But Tess IS trying to give Cat guidance as well as leeway and TRUST that Cat will do the right thing most likely to get the correct result.
Because here in S4, the parties are having to figure out just what the "right thing" is. JT was right in worrying about Vincent's behavior, but Vincent went with what would most likely get results with the least harm to others. And I didn't feel too terribly sorry for that bounty hunter guy who is breaking the law knowingly with Graydol anyway.
And that is the thing about BATB that really is being brought forward this season. If you knowingly break the law to try to HELP others or right a serious wrong (like taking out a killer bounty hunter guy who kills all those he questions), have you still crossed a line? Or should you be okay with it? Where is the line REALLY and when others have violated it, what SHOULD you able to MORALLY and legally be able to do in order to make the situation right?
I liked the fake-out dream of Vincent's at the beginning. And the fact that the camera was panning all around Catherine and focused on her. JUST like Vincent would be--checking out Cat's entire body and zooming in on her all the way around! And showing Vincent supposedly in the mindset of being so right, that DHS should just take his word and leave the matter alone. Contrasted with the real thing of Vincent being hunted like a dog everywhere he goes.
I like Vincent's surety that he IS in the right as far as not going after Hill intentionally. While Hill not only hired assassins to kill an American citizen illegally with NO trial or even allegation of wrong-doing against Vincent, Hill then went to knowingly planning on cold-bloodedly murdering the very man who had previously SAVED his family when assassins failed to do the job. AND in setting Vincent up to be viewed himeslf as a cold-blooded murderer in death as well. So Vincent is not dwelling in unnecessary grief and soul-searching. Hill created a situation that he could not control, WHICH Vincent WARNED him about before-hand, and was basically responsible for his OWN death, since Vincent would have been unable to make a rational choice or reason through his activities when beasted-out on so much adrenalin.
So I am actually with Vincent in absolving himself of Hill's death. Hill placed Vincent in such a position where human reason would NOT have been able to prevail, due to the drugs in his system. So Vincent won't let Hill's death keep him from planning on a future.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 15, 2016 17:16:51 GMT -5
Above all else, I LOVED LOVED LOVED how VinCat trusted one another implicitly. Vincent KNEW from Cat's heart-rate that something was off. But he trusted her no matter what. And gave her a chance to explain. And Cat was so deeply concerned about their situation, but she clearly finds AND seeks comfort in her beloved spouse, who was CLEARLY waiting for her to seek him out in the dungeon.
I liked that JT shows that although he WILL ultimately trust Vincent, he WAS concerned and DID try to stop/talk Vincent out of beating and drugging the bounty hunter guy. So JT does NOT just support Vincent right or wrong. VAST improvement over the JT that supported Vincent's break-up with Cat and relationship with Tori without comment. (Which has been my only fault really with JT overall. I always felt JT ought to have tried to stop Vincent or rationalize with him regarding actions taken in S2.)
I appreciated that Tess told Cat UPFRONT that there is a line she will NOT cross. She won't help further. And Cat does not fault her in anyway. She appreciates Tess TRYING to be the captain of the precinct that she should be. But Tess WON'T rat Cat or Vincent out either, so she is still being the good friend in giving Cat the leeway to help Vincent resolve this, one way or another.
And Kyle---the WAY THEY SHOT that scene. Kyle MAKING Heather TELL him something. MAKING her show that she trusts him. And the look he gave afterwards---like I have her now in my power. I don't know what to make of this yet. Seemed like a real power play by him to FORCE Heather to let him in. Could be a simple relationship-call to let him know where he stands. But could also be a real calculated move by some sort of operative to garner a position in the group. Because if Kyle could NOT get Heather to trust him, then he had no further reason to hang around her if getting information was the sole goal.
Can't wait to see how the Kyle-thing works out. Like BeastieBoy, I am ACTUALLY not going to find out what Kyle's last episode is. While I like to be spoiled as to VinCat especially, it IS nice not to have certain details. So I LIKE wondering about Kyle.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 15, 2016 17:20:10 GMT -5
And this episode REALLY had great behind the scenes shots! That one where Vincent is holding Cat who seems so lovingly comfortable in his arms. Droolworthy from a romance stance.
But that shot of Vincent hugging Catherine, causing his jacket to ride-up and showing how he was literally POURED into those pants. Just rear-end-licious. Yes, my shallowness is coming through, but in a most delectable way. (I mean, not only can KK and Jay act, but they are just all-around darn good eye candy! Especially from particular angles!!) I fully embrace my shallowness and give thanks to the images presented for me!!!
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 15, 2016 17:35:34 GMT -5
Above all else, I LOVED LOVED LOVED how VinCat trusted one another implicitly. Vincent KNEW from Cat's heart-rate that something was off. But he trusted her no matter what. And gave her a chance to explain. And Cat was so deeply concerned about their situation, but she clearly finds AND seeks comfort in her beloved spouse, who was CLEARLY waiting for her to seek him out in the dungeon. ...snip... I don't think they're in the dungeon from S2, are they? It doesn't look like Liam's lair either. My take on 405 is that it was potentially foreshadowing certain events to come. Such as now in 407, Vincent is once again a hunted fugitive, forced into hiding. So my feeling is that he's now hiding out somewhere in the subway tunnels, like where V and JT were hiding out in the dreamworld of 405. That's why I'm kind of wondering if Evan might make surprise return in the real world. (Those who've checked IMDB for the cast, say nothing please! You all know I'm trying to be spoiler free. )
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 15, 2016 17:41:30 GMT -5
ONE QUESTION I had remaining: wouldn't DHS interview Hill's FAMILY regarding Hill. I guess that the explanation is the DHS is keeping the whole thing quiet regarding Vincent, so there are no ACTIVE law-related searches going on that are broadcasted on television. So Hill's family wouldn't know that the man that saved them previously was now blamed for Hill murder. BUT you sitll wonder what DHS gave as the explanation for HIll's demise to his own family. Because if DHS asked the fAMILY of Hill if they knew Vincent, you would THINK the family members would have told DHS that Vincent saved them AND Hill from someone at their home.
But I guess Hill told his wife and daughter to keep QUIET about what happened in the home. As there would have HAD to be an investigation about just WHY someone broke into the home of a DHS agent AND tortured him and his family. So that probably answers my own question---even IF interviewed, the family would NOT bring up how Vincent saved them previously when someone had attacked Hill.
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Post by alwayscrazedbatbfan on Jul 15, 2016 17:47:54 GMT -5
I was assuming that Vincent was hiding out at the dungeon or else in Liam's old lair, as both locations had supplies, and presumably access to power and electricity (at least as to Liam's--how ELSE could he have operated his surveillance stuff?). Plus, Liam's would have had to have a shower or something, since no one seemed to comment about Liam smelling when having contact with him! That is just me trying to reason how Vincent still is showering, since Cat's nose isn't wrinkling when she gets all up on Vincent!!
But you KNOW what they say about "assuming" anything. . . .
Just seems like Vincent would want to retread on KNOWN turf rather than unknown tunnels that might have unforeseen access. At least we KNOW that no one else knew or was using the dungeon or Liam's previously, so Vincent could be fairly secure of their entrance/exit points. And that would be how Cat KNEW where to go.
(And I have probably just WAY overthought this FAR more than the writers who probably told set production to just make it look tunnell-y!)
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 15, 2016 18:02:21 GMT -5
I was assuming that Vincent was hiding out at the dungeon or else in Liam's old lair, as both locations had supplies, and presumably access to power and electricity (at least as to Liam's--how ELSE could he have operated his surveillance stuff?). Plus, Liam's would have had to have a shower or something, since no one seemed to comment about Liam smelling when having contact with him! That is just me trying to reason how Vincent still is showering, since Cat's nose isn't wrinkling when she gets all up on Vincent!! But you KNOW what they say about "assuming" anything. . . . Just seems like Vincent would want to retread on KNOWN turf rather than unknown tunnels that might have unforeseen access. At least we KNOW that no one else knew or was using the dungeon or Liam's previously, so Vincent could be fairly secure of their entrance/exit points. And that would be how Cat KNEW where to go. (And I have probably just WAY overthought this FAR more than the writers who probably told set production to just make it look tunnell-y!) Could be. But it doesn't look like Liam's place or the dungeon to me.
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 15, 2016 22:54:56 GMT -5
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Post by BeastieBoy on Jul 16, 2016 0:30:44 GMT -5
zelly309's work is featured in this episode of Afterbuzz TV. Nice job Zelly!
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Post by zelly309 on Jul 16, 2016 1:32:59 GMT -5
zelly309 's work is featured in this episode of Afterbuzz TV. Nice job Zelly! Awwww, thanks my speedy friend, for putting it on here. Aren't you clever knowing how to do that?
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